Bangarang Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Well have to see how much Tyrod throws it to KB. Hes not a guy that gets a lot of separation and Tyrod typically doesnt throw into coverage
PromoTheRobot Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) This is how I feel as well. Glad to get Benjamin for that price..........but I think Watkins is a better WR and was a MUCH better fit for Tyrod's game......and perhaps most importantly they had experience together and were poised for a big season together. Kind of an admission of error in trading Watkins by McD and Beane, IMO. The fact that they were trying to get the troubled deep threat Martavis Byrant and then the very different Benjamin tells me they were pretty desperate for help at WR and afraid that the self inflicted positional weakness was going to cost them games. Be interesting to see if Benjamin can assimilate into the offense quickly because he's probably not going to be able to just run 9's and deep post routes.......... and if Tyrod will have enough trust to throw to him even though he isn't a getting separation. Carolina claims to have traded Benjamin because they already had size in Funchess and wanted more speed/quickness.........well the Bills kinda' have that same issue with Zay, Matthews and now Benjamin. I don't think the 3 give them enough speed to stretch the field so it's probably 3 guys for 2 positions and Matthews being the FA will likely be the odd man out in 2018 and they will still probably be looking for a speed guy unless Deonte keeps making strides. Not so much an admission of error as an adjustment to the process. They will never admit it but they are probably a little surprised this group is winning. So why not add to the mix? Besides, they get KB for 2/3 of what Sammy would cost next year. Edited November 1, 2017 by PromoTheRobot
26CornerBlitz Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 @buffalobills When you wake up and realize you can throw to Kelvin Benjamin. #GoBills
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Well have to see how much Tyrod throws it to KB. Hes not a guy that gets a lot of separation and Tyrod typically doesnt throw into coverage maybe thats why we see his jump ball one hand grabs.
BillsFanNC Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 This entire thread, when combined with the Dareus, Sammy and Darby threads is why you need to knit pick through posts here: the FO (unlike our FOs of past) have a true plan in place. Make this move which allows this move which allows this move and so on. The vast majority here take them for face value failing to understand that NONE of the people on this board know the big picture they are looking at, regardless of football knowledge. With all of that being said, I have an immense amount of respect for some of the regulars here and enjoy being the voyeur that I am here. This. Good post.
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 This is how I feel as well. Glad to get Benjamin for that price..........but I think Watkins is a better WR and was a MUCH better fit for Tyrod's game......and perhaps most importantly they had experience together and were poised for a big season together. Kind of an admission of error in trading Watkins by McD and Beane, IMO. The fact that they were trying to get the troubled deep threat Martavis Byrant and then the very different Benjamin tells me they were pretty desperate for help at WR and afraid that the self inflicted positional weakness was going to cost them games. Be interesting to see if Benjamin can assimilate into the offense quickly because he's probably not going to be able to just run 9's and deep post routes.......... and if Tyrod will have enough trust to throw to him even though he isn't a getting separation. Carolina claims to have traded Benjamin because they already had size in Funchess and wanted more speed/quickness.........well the Bills kinda' have that same issue with Zay, Matthews and now Benjamin. I don't think the 3 give them enough speed to stretch the field so it's probably 3 guys for 2 positions and Matthews being the FA will likely be the odd man out in 2018 and they will still probably be looking for a speed guy unless Deonte keeps making strides. Add me to the list that agrees with you and Gunner
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 A month ago I wouldnt have cared about letting Holmes go, but now I actually kind of like him. I hope we keep all these WRs and start Benjamin and Holmes on the outside with Mathews in the slot. Zay backup slot and Thompson and Tate the backups to the outside guys.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 And yet the Bills were interested in acquiring Martavis Bryant. So you are wrong. But cling to your hatred of SW for punking off a few idiots on Instagram that were harassing him. I believe you have described the wrong individual as the low quality human. Those idiots called themselves " Bills fans" Curious. I never read anything official there was interest. Just some spitballing from the media.
Coach55 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 McBean can be summed up with this little clip from Miracle.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 The biggest thing for me comes to situations like when we were down against Cinci... the drive started and we didn't even have a guy to make contested catches. At least now we know we have that guy, and if they double him other people may spring open.
boyst Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Add me to the list that agrees with you and Gunner you're a silver lining guy. And I agree with the sentiment. What's your take on the silver lining and upside? He gets little separation. He doesn't have elite manuevers and YAC agility. In our offense we will have to design plays for him that I cannot fathom us being able to run based on what I've seen. I would not mind using him in a different way than we have seen him or our WR's used. Still pondering the ideas of his route tree, potential and how we can stack him among other things.
x-BillzeBubba Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Fun-factoid: If KB plays v Jets he'll have a shot at a 17 game season
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 you're a silver lining guy. And I agree with the sentiment. What's your take on the silver lining and upside? He gets little separation. He doesn't have elite manuevers and YAC agility. In our offense we will have to design plays for him that I cannot fathom us being able to run based on what I've seen. I would not mind using him in a different way than we have seen him or our WR's used. Still pondering the ideas of his route tree, potential and how we can stack him among other things. For me, I think it's about giving Tyrod a WR that he trusts. Granted, Tyrod's not the type to throw up jump balls very often, but you notice a difference in the balls he'll throw to Clay or Matthews vs. the ones that he'll throw to Deonte Thompson or Zay Jones. I think Benjamin will be the type that Tyrod is willing to throw contested passes to on a more consistent basis, and it's obvious to me that they wanted to give themselves more passing options in the red zone. If Benjamin results in the team scoring 5-6 more red zone TDs per season, then that'll be worth it to me.
Roundybout Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 This might be a way to jumpstart our turnover capitalization. Just chuck it to the end zone and let the big guys catch it.
boyst Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 For me, I think it's about giving Tyrod a WR that he trusts. Granted, Tyrod's not the type to throw up jump balls very often, but you notice a difference in the balls he'll throw to Clay or Matthews vs. the ones that he'll throw to Deonte Thompson or Zay Jones. I think Benjamin will be the type that Tyrod is willing to throw contested passes to on a more consistent basis, and it's obvious to me that they wanted to give themselves more passing options in the red zone. If Benjamin results in the team scoring 5-6 more red zone TDs per season, then that'll be worth it to me. Benjamin doesn't always fight hard for balls. It's up and down. That is a concern for me. Call it part of lack of the process. Also, the more I think about it - is Benjamin more for the future? I don't think Peterman is ever going to be a full time starter. But is Benjamin for one of the QB's they're targeting next year more than he is for Taylor? Cousins likes Reed, for example. Benjamin isn't much different. And the QB's in the draft could be a match for him, as well.
YoloinOhio Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 @mikerodak Brandon Beane told @SiriusXMNFL that Zay Jones is expected to play Z receiver for Bills and Kelvin Benjamin is expected to play X." So Jmatt in the slot
26CornerBlitz Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 @wfnz Marty Hurney says the #Panthers are looking to clear out the box, allow the run game to flourish, and KB doesn't help that. #MacAttack @JoshNorris Josh Norris Retweeted WFNZ-AM A part of the thought process behind the Kelvin Benjamin deal: Marty Hurney views WRs differently than Dave Gettleman. On @wfnz, Panthers GM says the Kelvin trade is like many other deals. He gathered opinions from personnel staff, Rivera from coaching staff
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Benjamin doesn't always fight hard for balls. It's up and down. That is a concern for me. Call it part of lack of the process. Also, the more I think about it - is Benjamin more for the future? I don't think Peterman is ever going to be a full time starter. But is Benjamin for one of the QB's they're targeting next year more than he is for Taylor? Cousins likes Reed, for example. Benjamin isn't much different. And the QB's in the draft could be a match for him, as well. Oh I feel fairly certain that the Benjamin trade is partially geared toward helping out whoever the next QB may be
The Wiz Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 @buffalobills When you wake up and realize you can throw to Kelvin Benjamin. #GoBills Whoever runs the bills twitter account needs a raise.
Nihilarian Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 you're a silver lining guy. And I agree with the sentiment. What's your take on the silver lining and upside? He gets little separation. He doesn't have elite manuevers and YAC agility. In our offense we will have to design plays for him that I cannot fathom us being able to run based on what I've seen. I would not mind using him in a different way than we have seen him or our WR's used. Still pondering the ideas of his route tree, potential and how we can stack him among other things. From an article in Yahoo sports, Newton was a fan of Benjamin, praising him on Sunday after Carolina’s win over division rival Tampa Bay: “He’s a person that’s an unbelievable teammate. He comes to work each and every day,” Newton said. “He may not be the talkative person all the time, but I guarantee you, when you want people in your foxhole, Kelvin Benjamin is the person that you want. “You know you can just see it on his face. He’s usually a very enthusiastic person come gameday, and man, I could just see it.” "Buffalo’s leading pass-catchers are running back LeSean McCoy and tight end Charles Clay; their top three receivers, Jordan Matthews, Andre Holmes and Zay Jones, have combined to offer the Bills roughly the same output -36 receptions for 404 yards – as Benjamin gave the Panthers on his own." https://www.yahoo.com/sports/deadline-surprise-panthers-trade-wr-kelvin-benjamin-buffalo-2-205423282.html At 6'5 250lbs you don't need much separation when you are going up against most DB's that are usually under 6" 200lbs. I love this trade for a 3rd/7th. Plus, Clay should be back by week 10 against NO.
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