Bills better off surrounding Taylor than replacing him?

[BringBackOrton]

So you have your fingers crossed for the first overall pick? We need more passing yards!! Brees led the league in passing yards in each of the last 3 years. His record was 21-26.

In 2016, only one QB who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record, he had the #1 defense.

 

In 2015, zero QB's who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record.

 

In 2014, only one QB who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record.

 

In 2013, only one QB who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record.

 

So maybe we do need more passing yards?

 

Well that's part of the reason I asked Wayne for specific instances this year where Watson was getting the points Taylor wasn't.

 

It's like people think it's an apples to apples translation of what a QB does with one team to another.

 

Bill O'Brien- Offensive Coach with an offensive mind

 

Sean McDermott- Defensive Coach with a defensive mind

 

 

McDermott doesn't really like to pass the football unless he's behind, which has been only 35% of the entire time we've played this season, yet during that 35% of our season, Taylor has 52% of his completions and 62.5% of his TDs. Taylor's actually been pretty damn good when we've been behind. He has the 6th best passer rating.

 

You really think it's just so inevitable he was going to put more responsibility on Watson's shoulders than Taylor's? If anything, I think Watson, a rookie, would have been throwing even less than Taylor under McDermott.

 

But I just love the way people clamor for other QBs while totally neglecting the head coach or offensive system/philosophy already in place.

BOB that offensive mind with the 28th ranked O last year. LOL.

[transplantbillsfan]

BOB that offensive mind with the 28th ranked O last year. LOL.

 

Yeah, that's because he had terrible QBs in Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage.

 

I mean, I know that you'd probably love either of those guys over Taylor, but they absolutely suck.

 

And guess what, despite technically being the 29th ranked passing offense, due to yards, they were 14th in total pass attempts, which tells you the coach still wanted to throw it, his QBs just sucked too much, throwing for a paltry 5.9 YPA, which was by far the worst in the NFL.

 

Nice try, though

[bobobonators]

You’re crazy...plain and simple.

 

Taylor has no to very limited upside to where he sits today. The Bill’s are playing within and to his limits but there is not a team out there that fears his ability to take over a game.

 

Look at the small handful of very good QB’s .... they take over games when they need to do so.

 

Taylor is a system QB who can run to get out of trouble. If injury or age takes away his running ability he is a shell of what he is now which is a 500 QB.

 

1. That is patently false. The rams coverage on "All or Nothing" on Amazon showed how the Rams specifically addressed Tyrod as a threat and not just another player.

 

2. Injury or age can limit any QB; not a revelation to say that.

[BringBackOrton]

 

Yeah, that's because he had terrible QBs in Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage.

 

I mean, I know that you'd probably love either of those guys over Taylor, but they absolutely suck.

 

And guess what, despite technically being the 29th ranked passing offense, due to yards, they were 14th in total pass attempts, which tells you the coach still wanted to throw it, his QBs just sucked too much, throwing for a paltry 5.9 YPA, which was by far the worst in the NFL.

 

Nice try, though

You're telling me a good QB makes your offense good? Wooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Bangarang]

The Tyrod debate will get an answer this year. You can no longer say he doesnt have weapons or anyone to throw to. Hell have a good core of receivers in KB, JM and Zay as well as Clay when he returns and Shady out of the backfield. There is no question that should be enough for a QB to be effective.

 

Id still like to see us draft someone next year but the reality is that this team can win games with what we have in Tyrod.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

In 2016, only one QB who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record, he had the #1 defense.

 

In 2015, zero QB's who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record.

 

In 2014, only one QB who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record.

 

In 2013, only one QB who averaged less than 200 passing yards had a winning record.

 

So maybe we do need more passing yards?

BOB that offensive mind with the 28th ranked O last year. LOL.

 

Didn't tyrod average more than 200 yards passing the last 2 seasons? It's not like he's like.. far off this season either.

 

Alex smith's last 2 years in SF he was averaging sub 200 yards passing. They were 19-5-1 in those games.

 

Some coaches value taking care of the ball more than an extra 30 yards per game.

[BringBackOrton]

 

Didn't tyrod average more than 200 yards passing the last 2 seasons? It's not like he's like.. far off this season either.

 

Alex smith's last 2 years in SF he was averaging sub 200 yards passing. They were 19-5-1 in those games.

 

Some coaches value taking care of the ball more than an extra 30 yards per game.

Yes, he did.

 

I just posted the stats. Passing under 200 yards ain't a recipe for success either, as much as folks like to point at Brees.

[bobobonators]

 

Didn't tyrod average more than 200 yards passing the last 2 seasons? It's not like he's like.. far off this season either.

 

Alex smith's last 2 years in SF he was averaging sub 200 yards passing. They were 19-5-1 in those games.

 

Some coaches value taking care of the ball more than an extra 30 yards per game.

Ask him to break down how many QBs in the NFL have a 3:1 TD/INT ratio over the last 3 seasons. You can count them on one hand. But nah, we dont care about scoring and preventing turnovers. We want to make sure we average 250-300yds passing every game. Nevermind the fact that this team pays its RB more than its QB for a reason: WE WANT TO RUN THE BALL BY DESIGN.

[BringBackOrton]

Ask him to break down how many QBs in the NFL have a 3:1 TD/INT ratio over the last 3 seasons. You can count them on one hand. But nah, we dont care about scoring and preventing turnovers. We want to make sure we average 250-300yds passing every game. Nevermind the fact that this team pays its RB more than its QB for a reason: WE WANT TO RUN THE BALL BY DESIGN.

TT gets paid way more than Shady when accounting for AAV.

 

Also, I care about scoring. We're 26th in passing TD's though.

[nedboy7]

Tyrod is the man. We finally have a team and a front office. Enough crap posts. Try to enjoy this.

[cage]

Looks like Beane was listening to OP today and is down with this approach!

[Kirby Jackson]

TT gets paid way more than Shady when accounting for AAV.

 

Also, I care about scoring. We're 26th in passing TD's though.

Thats not scoring. Thats passing TDs. Where were we on offensive TDs? You need to get down the field to score. Why would it matter how its scored? Do passing TDs count more?

[transplantbillsfan]

You're telling me a good QB makes your offense good? Wooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

No.

 

That's not what I was telling you.

 

You're either trolling (which I hope is the case for the sake of your own intelligence) or clearly you have a really hard time understanding what you read .

[BringBackOrton]

Thats not scoring. Thats passing TDs. Where were we on offensive TDs? You need to get down the field to score. Why would it matter how its scored? Do passing TDs count more?

Total TD's we're currently 22nd.

 

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=O&cat=S&sort=tottd

 

It matters how its scored because you can see which unit is pulling their weight.

 

No.

 

That's not what I was telling you.

 

You're either trolling (which I hope is the case for the sake of your own intelligence) or clearly you have a really hard time understanding what you read .

Make better points. Rather than telling me with glee that TT is better than the Brocketship (what an honor!)

Edited November 1, 2017 by jmc12290

[transplantbillsfan]

The Tyrod debate will get an answer this year. You can no longer say he doesnt have weapons or anyone to throw to. Hell have a good core of receivers in KB, JM and Zay as well as Clay when he returns and Shady out of the backfield. There is no question that should be enough for a QB to be effective.

 

Id still like to see us draft someone next year but the reality is that this team can win games with what we have in Tyrod.

 

Dude, the Tyrod debate literally will never be answered as long as he's in Buffalo.

 

It was supposed to be answered by the end of his first year.

 

It wasn't.

 

It was supposed to be answered by the end of his 2nd year.

 

It wasn't.

 

It was supposed to be answered in the first half of this season.

 

It hasn't been.

 

 

The reason it hasn't been answered and will literally never be answered as long as he's Buffalo's QB is simply because "passing offense" is measured by YARDZZZ, rather than a combination of important passing stats (and also team approach) and I would honestly bet you that no matter what QB Sean McDermott had, his approach will always take us out of the top of the league in that ever-so-important passing statistic.

Make better points. Rather than telling me with glee that TT is better than the Brocketship (what an honor!)

 

Oh, so it really was a reading comprehension problem, then?

 

You honestly didn't understand my point about coaching and offensive approach?

 

Super sorry, dude. I'll try to dumb it down next time.

[BringBackOrton]

 

Dude, the Tyrod debate literally will never be answered as long as he's in Buffalo.

 

It was supposed to be answered by the end of his first year.

 

It wasn't.

 

It was supposed to be answered by the end of his 2nd year.

 

It wasn't.

 

It was supposed to be answered in the first half of this season.

 

It hasn't been.

 

 

The reason it hasn't been answered and will literally never be answered as long as he's Buffalo's QB is simply because "passing offense" is measured by YARDZZZ, rather than a combination of important passing stats (and also team approach) and I would honestly bet you that no matter what QB Sean McDermott had, his approach will always take us out of the top of the league in that ever-so-important passing statistic.

 

Oh, so it really was a reading comprehension problem, then?

 

You honestly didn't understand my point about coaching and offensive approach?

 

Super sorry, dude. I'll try to dumb it down next time.

What's McDermott's offensive approach again? Doesn't he coach defense?

[Kirby Jackson]

Total TD's we're currently 22nd.

 

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=O&cat=S&sort=tottd

 

It matters how its scored because you can see which unit is pulling their weight.

 

Make better points. Rather than telling me with glee that TT is better than the Brocketship (what an honor!)

22nd isnt very good especially coming off of back to back top 10s. It doesnt tell the story based on how you score though. If you throw it 98 yards and pound it in from the 1 it is a rushing TD. If you break a 78 yard run and then throw it from the one its a passing TD. That doesnt tell much about the drive. The total is all that matters and 22nd needs to improve.

[BringBackOrton]

22nd isnt very good especially coming off of back to back top 10s. It doesnt tell the story based on how you score though. If you throw it 98 yards and pound it in from the 1 it is a rushing TD. If you break a 78 yard run and then throw it from the one its a passing TD. That doesnt tell much about the drive. The total is all that matters and 22nd needs to improve.

Well let me ask you a question Kirby. Our RTD total is 15th in the NFL. Our PTD total is 26th in the NFL. Which group is contributing more to be being below average in total TD's?

 

Because I think those numbers tell a lot about how we score our TD's, and how each group is doing relative to the rest of the NFL.

Edited November 1, 2017 by jmc12290

[Kirby Jackson]

Well let me ask you a question Kirby. Our RTD total is 15th in the NFL. Our PTD total is 26th in the NFL. Which group is contributing more to be being below average in total TD's?

 

Because I think those numbers tell a lot about how we score our TD's, and how each group is doing relative to the rest of the NFL.

Thats not relevant. Thats the point. It doesnt matter how they score!! Thats the design of the offense. The Bills run the ball by the goal line. The fact that they have just 15 offensive TDs in 7 games isnt good enough. If you can show me a correlation between passing TD ranks vs. rushing TD ranks impacting team records I will listen. If not, I dont care. Maybe there is a correlation? Edited November 1, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Boatdrinks]

Well that's part of the reason I asked Wayne for specific instances this year where Watson was getting the points Taylor wasn't.

 

It's like people think it's an apples to apples translation of what a QB does with one team to another.

 

Bill O'Brien- Offensive Coach with an offensive mind

 

Sean McDermott- Defensive Coach with a defensive mind

 

 

McDermott doesn't really like to pass the football unless he's behind, which has been only 35% of the entire time we've played this season, yet during that 35% of our season, Taylor has 52% of his completions and 62.5% of his TDs. Taylor's actually been pretty damn good when we've been behind. He has the 6th best passer rating.

 

You really think it's just so inevitable he was going to put more responsibility on Watson's shoulders than Taylor's? If anything, I think Watson, a rookie, would have been throwing even less than Taylor under McDermott.

 

But I just love the way people clamor for other QBs while totally neglecting the head coach or offensive system/philosophy already in place.

Not really. The Bills want to run because regardless of system you do what your personnel is most suited for to score points. If the Bills had better WR s and Watson, they'd be throwing the football. Once the rookie showed he can do it you put more on his plate.