Bills better off surrounding Taylor than replacing him?

[GunnerBill]

Tyrod Taylor 2017

Wk Opp A/C YDS TD

1 NYJ 16/28 224 2

2 Caro 17/25 125 0

3 Denv 20/26 213 2

4 Atl 12/20 182 1

5 Cinc 20/37 166 1

6 Bye

7 TBay 20/33 268 1

8 Oak 20/27 165 1

 

Are the Bills winning these games because of Taylors QB skills or are they winning because of their DEFENSE? Be honest here...

 

 

I think the two wins you can say Tyrod played more than just "a good team role" in are Denver (I think it was one of his best games in a Bills jersey if not the best) and Tampa (didn't play as well as v Denver but made some clutch plays). Beyond that he has been a solid game manager in the other 3 wins and played 1 below par game (Cincy) and 1 bad game (Carolina).

[transplantbillsfan]

Defensive coaches bring a defensive approach to their teams, it's that simple.

 

So far this year all the teams with head coaches with offensive backgrounds are averaging 33 pass attempts per game.

 

Teams with head coaches with defensive backgrounds are averaging 31 attempts per game.

 

The top 3 teams in terms of pass attempts per game are teams with head coaches with offensive backgrounds... none of which include the hoodie or Brady.

 

 

We have a defensive head coach. We will pass less than if we had an offensive head coach.

[JPP]

not going to pass much when your main running back gets over 30 touches and thats not including tolbert....btw TT passing game in oakland was very spot on.....so why complain? we are winning with weapons on both sides of the ball......

[The Wiz]

not going to pass much when your main running back gets over 30 touches and thats not including tolbert....btw TT passing game in oakland was very spot on.....so why complain? we are winning with weapons on both sides of the ball......

Because it's no fun to sit around and be happy for once.

[billsfan_34]

I don't get why so many on this board think that Petterman will have be a starter in this league. He's a 5th round pick. A dime a dozen. If anyone thinks he will ever outplay TT for the job, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

I bet someone once said the same thing about Bledsoe/Brady or Everett/Warner etc...

[BringBackOrton]

Defensive coaches bring a defensive approach to their teams, it's that simple.

 

So far this year all the teams with head coaches with offensive backgrounds are averaging 33 pass attempts per game.

 

Teams with head coaches with defensive backgrounds are averaging 31 attempts per game.

 

The top 3 teams in terms of pass attempts per game are teams with head coaches with offensive backgrounds... none of which include the hoodie or Brady.

 

 

We have a defensive head coach. We will pass less than if we had an offensive head coach.

Yeah, I don't think it's that simple.

[The Wiz]

I bet someone once said the same thing about Bledsoe/Brady or Everett/Warner etc...

Don't tell him when Taylor was drafted. His head might explode.

[SoTier]

I don't get why so many on this board think that Petterman will have be a starter in this league. He's a 5th round pick. A dime a dozen. If anyone thinks he will ever outplay TT for the job, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

 

This is Buffalo, which means the backup QB is ALWAYS better than the guy who's starting. Frank Reich was definitely better than Jim Kelly.

 

TT gets paid way more than Shady when accounting for AAV.

 

Also, I care about scoring. We're 26th in passing TD's though.

 

The last time I looked, the coaching staff decides the type of offense a team runs, and most OCs call plays for their QBs. You're simply scapegoating Tyrod because you need something to complain about.

 

An almost perfect post in terms of matching what I might write on this topic.

 

We should continue to field the best team possible every time we play. That means Tyrod for now, but we should keep an eye on always improving the team too. Beane confirmed today in his chat with Schopp and Bulldog that they are always looking to do that and even get excited when they are able to snatch a guy on waivers, if it was a guy they targeted and wanted.

 

Always look down the road while keeping your eye on the upcoming game too.

 

We should continue to aggressively pursue a QB better than Tyrod, and play that QB when he is ready.

 

In the meantime, build up around Tyrod and make the most out of him while he is the QB.

 

I agree. The reality is, whether it's Tyrod or a young QB in the future, if the Bills build a better team all the way around, it will benefit whoever plays QB.

 

Let's face this sad fact: Aaron Rodgers as their QB couldn't have helped most of Bills teams in this century make the playoffs. Nobody can say that Drew Bledsoe wasn't a good QB, and he couldn't do it. Who knows if Losman might have developed into a decent starter with better coaching than he got with the Bills. Fitzpatrick might not have been particularly good, but he probably could have gotten the Bills into the playoffs with that 2014 squad ... he was better than Orton. Certainly last year's offense was good enough for the team to make the playoffs, but the defense just sucked.

Edited November 1, 2017 by SoTier

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Obviously.

 

You didn't just point to the Atlanta game as the defense helping them win. You said that's a loss if the defense doesn't score a TD because we won by 6.

 

Serious question, did you watch? The Bills went into a conservative shell once they took the lead.

Yes I watched. I dont like being super conservative.

 

This past game, were they conservative? IMO no they were not and frankly I liked it a lot!

 

They ran and passed. 💗d it

[BringBackOrton]

The last time I looked, the coaching staff decides the type of offense a team runs, and most OCs call plays for their QBs. You're simply scapegoating Tyrod because you need something to complain about.

Our OC called the 17th most passing attempts last season sooooo

[transplantbillsfan]

Yeah, I don't think it's that simple.

 

Yeah, I don't think I'd ever convince you of anything and I don't care. But if I thought you were remotely open-minded on the subject, I'd go back and look at multiple years. I'll almost guarantee you that if you take the collective of head coaches in the NFL and put them simply in 2 camps (HCs with offensive backgrounds & HCs with defensive backgrounds) you'll find that the average of all pass attempts for all the teams with HCs with defensive backgrounds is consistently, if not ALWAYS, lower than the average of all pass attempts for all the teams with HCs with offensive backgrounds.

 

You're too stubborn and reeling over Siemian being benched to listen to any reason right now, but on the off chance you are, it pretty much is that simple.

 

Overall offensive minds come in as coaches wanting to rack up yards and score points on offense

 

Defensive minds come in as coaches wanting to minimize points of the opposing offense while fielding a team that controls the clock and minimizes mistakes.

 

 

See... simple

[BringBackOrton]

 

Yeah, I don't think I'd ever convince you of anything and I don't care. But if I thought you were remotely open-minded on the subject, I'd go back and look at multiple years. I'll almost guarantee you that if you take the collective of head coaches in the NFL and put them simply in 2 camps (HCs with offensive backgrounds & HCs with defensive backgrounds) you'll find that the average of all pass attempts for all the teams with HCs with defensive backgrounds is consistently, if not ALWAYS, lower than the average of all pass attempts for all the teams with HCs with offensive backgrounds.

 

You're too stubborn and reeling over Siemian being benched to listen to any reason right now, but on the off chance you are, it pretty much is that simple.

 

Overall offensive minds come in as coaches wanting to rack up yards and score points on offense

 

Defensive minds come in as coaches wanting to minimize points of the opposing offense while fielding a team that controls the clock and minimizes mistakes.

 

 

See... simple

You showed the difference between the averages was 2 attempts. 2 attempts isn't a big difference when the Bills have over 100 less attempts than the leading pass attempt team in 2017. They've played 8 and we've played 7 so if you extrapolate us out to 224, that's still almost 100 attempts difference through 8 games. A difference of 11 attempts per game.

 

Like I said, I don't think it's that simple.

Edited November 2, 2017 by jmc12290

[Wayne Arnold]

Defensive coaches bring a defensive approach to their teams, it's that simple.

 

So far this year all the teams with head coaches with offensive backgrounds are averaging 33 pass attempts per game.

 

Teams with head coaches with defensive backgrounds are averaging 31 attempts per game.

 

The top 3 teams in terms of pass attempts per game are teams with head coaches with offensive backgrounds... none of which include the hoodie or Brady.

 

We have a defensive head coach. We will pass less than if we had an offensive head coach.

 

Teams are averaging 34.3 pass attempts per game this season.

 

The Bills are averaging 28 pass attempts per game. Only the Bears average less at 27.8 pass attempts.

 

You're overstating the defensive background thing.

Last season NFL teams averaged 35.7 pass attempts per game.

 

Taylor and the Bills averaged an NFL-low 29.6 pass attempts.

 

Dennison's offense averaged 35.6 pass attempts per game - 17th in the NFL.

 

It's not a coincidence that every system Taylor plays in is at or very near the bottom of the league in throwing the football.

[Punt75]

Taylor will be the starter in 2018, even if they draft a QB. No reason to rush anyone into the job. Besides, we'll be drafting pretty late.

I don't know why everyone thinks we need a QB that can throw for 350 yards per game and still lose?

[transplantbillsfan]

You showed the difference between the averages was 2 attempts. 2 attempts isn't a big difference when the Bills have over 100 less attempts than the leading pass attempt team in 2017. They've played 8 and we've played 7 so if you extrapolate us out to 224, that's still almost 100 attempts difference through 8 games. A difference of 11 attempts per game.

 

Like I said, I don't think it's that simple.

 

2 attempts is actually pretty huge when you consider that it's taking every single team in the NFL and splitting them into 2 camps. And that the defensive camp includes plenty of really good QBs, with the GOAT and a shoe-in future HOFer included in there.

 

And once again, if I showed you the numbers for the last 15 years and it was CONSISTENTLY that the offensive HCs had teams that would pass more on average than defensive HCs, you might stubbornly drag your feet and piss and moan about the fact that it doesn't mean anything, but it most certainly would. A consistent difference in pass attempts, even if it's just 1 or 2 per game, pretty clearly sets an obvious and unavoidable trend (that I almost guarantee exists) that teams with defensive minded HCs pass the ball less than their offensive counterparts.

[BringBackOrton]

 

2 attempts is actually pretty huge when you consider that it's taking every single team in the NFL and splitting them into 2 camps. And that the defensive camp includes plenty of really good QBs, with the GOAT and a shoe-in future HOFer included in there.

 

And once again, if I showed you the numbers for the last 15 years and it was CONSISTENTLY that the offensive HCs had teams that would pass more on average than defensive HCs, you might stubbornly drag your feet and piss and moan about the fact that it doesn't mean anything, but it most certainly would. A consistent difference in pass attempts, even if it's just 1 or 2 per game, pretty clearly sets an obvious and unavoidable trend (that I almost guarantee exists) that teams with defensive minded HCs pass the ball less than their offensive counterparts.

Do we have the "most" defensive HC in the NFL? Why are we dead last? Why do we pass 4-5 less attempts per game than the defensive HC average?

Edited November 2, 2017 by jmc12290

[reddogblitz]

Presently Hotrod is the Bills franchise leader in completion percentage.

[moshermw]

I think i would need to see TT actually lose in the playoffs in that fashion before I stated it as fact

This is the best answer to an un-answerable question.

 

Well stated.

[BringBackOrton]

Presently Hotrod is the Bills franchise leader in completion percentage.

Actually, Chris Hogan is.

[JaCrispy]

I don't know why everyone thinks we need a QB that can throw for 350 yards per game and still lose?

Teams with 300+ yard passers only lose if they don't have a defense imo...I don't think we would have to worry about that with McD