BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 People should talk about yards. So if we add up your figures here, they come to 1,343 plus 175 equals 1518. Twenty-three QBs this year have surpassed that number in passing alone, without adding in any run numbers whatsoever. Those QBs include McCown, Goff, Watson, Siemian, Keenum, Hell, even Jacoby Brissett. Add in the rushing numbers and Bortles also climbs over Tyrod. Tyrod's last two outings have been very good and pretty good, respectively. But as for the season, he's been Tyrod. It's also worth noting that we are winning. Tyrod's attempted 196 passes this year. Only 37 of them have been in the 4th quarter. When the game plan is get a lead and then run, and it's being executed and working, there's no reason to worry about the yards. He's attempted 141 passes when we are tied or trailing (45 tied, 96 trailing) and attempted 55 passes while we are ahead. A lot of the guys you listed (not all) have more yards because their teams are trailing when they have the ball.
Scott7975 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Brady's wide receivers aren't much. When Pats WRs leave, they tend to look a bunch less effective. They lose an Edelman and they don't skip a beat. Brady's targets are mostly a result of Brady's efforts. Amendola's no star and they did just as well last year without Cooks as this year with him. As for Kelce and Tyreek Hill they were both there last year and Smith wasn't as good as he has been this year. They aren't the reason for his improvement, though it's certainly true that having them there helps Alex Smith. This is false. In Bradys nine games with a healthy Edelman, the Patriots quarterback threw for 338.1 yards per game, 24 touchdowns and three interceptions by completing 67.8 percent of his passes, as noted by The Boston Globes Ben Volin. But when Edelman went down with an injury, Brady threw for 246.7 yards per game, 12 touchdowns and four interceptions by completing 59.4 percent of his passes in the seven games that followed Edited November 1, 2017 by Scott7975
Chuck Wagon Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 This is false. I posted the stats of Brady with and without Edelman in a few threads. Brady is still good but his stats were almost cut in half. No kidding. Claiming Gronk and Cooks isn't much either.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) You know what situational playcalling is? Is it what cost the Bills the KC and Raiders game when they had the lead and blew the games in 15 and 16? We don't know What If. All we have is What was. This Defense is Helping the Bills Win games and not Lose games like last season. A much better Defense does not make a much better QB. Edited November 1, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
Chuck Wagon Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Brady's wide receivers aren't much. When Pats WRs leave, they tend to look a bunch less effective. They lose an Edelman and they don't skip a beat. Brady's targets are mostly a result of Brady's efforts. Amendola's no star and they did just as well last year without Cooks as this year with him. As for Kelce and Tyreek Hill they were both there last year and Smith wasn't as good as he has been this year. They aren't the reason for his improvement, though it's certainly true that having them there helps Alex Smith. Hill didn't break out until this point of the season last year. Not to mention they replaced a pretty marginal RB tandem of Ware / West with a potential rookie of the year in Hunt.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 different? Seems similar to me, just more detained with a timeline But hey, he sucked and he's gone. ummmm??? Oh never mind. Yes different. Nobody in that conversation I outlined says what would have happened. They talk about what did happen. Could EJ have taken the lead for us? Maybe. We'll never know because the Defense did. Your argument, however, is that if the Defense didn't score the offense definitely wouldn't have, which is both silly and petty.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Your right. Which was several fans argument last year. That the defense blewwww thanks to Rex. Tyrods a solid QB. He was last year. He basically got blamed for EVERY loss no matter how awful the defense was. Difference this year is the defense isn't a tire fire and the team is winning so many of the fans that hated him last year like Tyrod now. Basically, fans LOVE to blame the QB when he deserves it and when he doesn't in losses. so many of the fans that hated him last year like Tyrod now. some of the fans that hated him last year still do some of the fans that hated him last year like Tyrod a bit more now. some of the fans that loved him last year love Tyrod a bit more now. that should cover all the bases Yes different. Nobody in that conversation I outlined says what would have happened. They talk about what did happen. Could EJ have taken the lead for us? Maybe. We'll never know because the Defense did. Your argument, however, is that if the Defense didn't score the offense definitely wouldn't have, which is both silly and petty. OK, you win on the EJ issue. I never said they wouldn't or couldn't. lets be honest mon Edited November 1, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
BringBackOrton Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Where would Buffalo rank if you took out Taylor's 175 rushing yards? It's a pretty precipitous drop, actually. From 8 to being tied with Indy at 19. Go back in your closet and keep praying we get a QB of Trevor Siemian's caliber. Why would you take out our QBs rushing yards then compare him to 31 teams who still have their QB's rushing yards. Is arguing honestly too much of a burden?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Why would you take out our QBs rushing yards then compare him to 31 teams who still have their QB's rushing yards. Is arguing honestly too much of a burden? because it suites his argument? just a guess Edited November 1, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) OK, you win on the EJ issue. I never said they wouldn't or couldn't. lets be honest mon let's be honest. The reason they are 5-2 right now.... is because the Defense scored 7 in the ATL game to secure the win. 4-3 is still respectable. Awful take or not, there is truth to it. Look at the Final score and subtract 7. You gave us the loss without it in the first post, and said we can just subtract 7 from the final in the next. Stop digging while you're behind. Edited November 1, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 let's be honest. You gave us the loss without it in the first post, and said we can just subtract 7 from the final in the next. Stop digging while you're behind. Look at the Final score and subtract 7. Is it really that bad? Hard to take people serious who think Tyrod sucks or is even below average. Trevor Simeon over Tyrod. I have to scan over 3/4 of all the posts because people give, Saving Peterman, monkey kutulu and yeezass the time of day.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 But points is NOT a statistic that isolates the offense. Not even close. It has huge input from the defense and STs. Quick example is that the defense put up seven points by Matt Milano, which gave the offense seven points of credit. But that's not even close to the total defensive impact on offensive points on this day. The defense and STs gave the offense three terrific drive starts in Oakland territory last game and the offense managed to turn them into two field goals and one TD. That looks real impressive if you only look at points, but when the drive starts were on the Oakland 14, the Oakland 41 and the Oakland 48, all of a sudden thirteen points looks pretty anemic.. They got the ball to start a drive on the Raiders 14 yard line with 13:06 left in the 3rd quarter, and managed to lose three yards and kick a 17 yard field goal. Way to go offense. Way to pile up those points!!!! Points are hugely important, but pretending they're only a measure of offense is kidding yourself. Field position is huge in points. Yards on the other hand much better tells you how efficiently the offense is moving. The offense was also extremely conservative with the lead and the good field position and was happy at times to just make sure we got the three points rather than go for more risky plays and potential TDs. The coaches played to win not to get the most points. They arent trying not to score TDs obviously. But you can tell by the plays they run at times. They don't go downfield. They don't have the horses for it. Benjamin will help open it up a bit.
MarlinTheMagician Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Surround the man and keep TT! I think McDermott intended to replace him when hired - until they started talking, and he decided to give TT a chance. I think he has fully won the admin over - they are now one person T.T. McBean!
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 If we had a franchise QB to go with this defense, we would always be a playoff team contending for a SB. With Taylor and this defense we always in the hunt for playoffs imo. This should and I believe will be addressed in the 1st round of the 2018 draft.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 2016 wasn't Taylor's fault, agreed. It was the fault of the Buffalo Bills, Tyrod was responsible for his share of the problem. They've got a lot of needs before they're going to be legitimate championship contenders. Franchise QB is probably the biggest one, IMHO. It's not the area where they have the weakest starter. That would be RT, probably, or RG or a few others. But an upgrade to a top ten or twelve QB is a bigger team upgrade than you could get any other way. I'm amazed (though not surprised) with posters like you who are just doubling down time after time again. How do you know we're not championship contenders right now?
Bangarang Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 I'm amazed (though not surprised) with posters like you who are just doubling down time after time again. How do you know we're not championship contenders right now? Because he doesnt believe we are?
BringBackOrton Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 I'm amazed (though not surprised) with posters like you who are just doubling down time after time again. How do you know we're not championship contenders right now? They probably know we're probably not championship contenders because we're the Buffalo Bills.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 It's also worth noting that we are winning. Tyrod's attempted 196 passes this year. Only 37 of them have been in the 4th quarter. When the game plan is get a lead and then run, and it's being executed and working, there's no reason to worry about the yards. He's attempted 141 passes when we are tied or trailing (45 tied, 96 trailing) and attempted 55 passes while we are ahead. A lot of the guys you listed (not all) have more yards because their teams are trailing when they have the ball. To add onto your point: The Bills have been leading or tied 65% of all their minutes played so far this season. In that 35% of the time, Taylor has attempted 49% of his passes for 52% of his completions for 51% of his yards for 62.5% of his TDs. He currently has the 6th highest passer rating in the NFL when trailing.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 I believe I heard the announcers say that The Bills have scored Zero TD's in the 1st QTR all season. oh look Why Bills have NFL’s fewest points in first quarter
SaviorPeterman Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 If we had a franchise QB to go with this defense, we would always be a playoff team contending for a SB. With Taylor and this defense we always in the hunt for playoffs imo. This should and I believe will be addressed in the 1st round of the 2018 draft. We have a possible franchise QB on the bench but we are being patient and developing him the right way. Obviously if Taylor was sucking right now he wouldn't be playing. But despite Peterman's potential don't be surprised if the Bills double down and draft another QB next year anyway.
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