ALLEN1QB Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 If they can keep winning without Clay, they're just going to wait until he's healthy again. Any word on his return date?
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Biggest concern I see with picking up any WR/TE is the time it takes to build up a relationship with the QB. You're not likely to get good value back for him this season. Even when the Bills picked up Loften mid-early season, he didn't do all that much the 1st year. Think that may be part of the problem today with Mathews too. Think that's the position that takes the most time to jell.
WhoTom Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Biggest concern I see with picking up any WR/TE is the time it takes to build up a relationship with the QB. You're not likely to get good value back for him this season. Even when the Bills picked up Loften mid-early season, he didn't do all that much the 1st year. Think that may be part of the problem today with Mathews too. Think that's the position that takes the most time to jell. Yeah, but he had zero drops. ;-)
TheElectricCompany Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Spotrac predicted a 4th I don't buy that for a minute. He has averaged 1200 yards and 6 TDs through the past 4 seasons. Not a chance you get a receiver like that for a 4th. Reggie Ragland was moved for a 4th and never played a snap and was coming off a shredded knee! Sammy was moved for a 2nd & player, Cooks a 1st and neither are as good as TY. If you could get him for a 4th, you HAVE to make that trade. Edited October 30, 2017 by TheElectricCompany
RyanC883 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Too much cap money, IMO. Great WR, but only if McD is convinced he could be an asset. TT spreads the ball around, but does not have a #1. I'd be interested in Gore as an insurance policy for Shady this year.
Big Turk Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) I don't buy that for a minute. He has averaged 1200 yards and 6 TDs through the past 4 seasons. Not a chance you get a receiver like that for a 4th. Reggie Ragland was moved for a 4th and never played a snap and was coming off a shredded knee! Sammy was moved for a 2nd & player, Cooks a 1st and neither are as good as TY. If you could get him for a 4th, you HAVE to make that trade. New England got Randy Moss for a 5th and Moss is a HOFer... Edited October 30, 2017 by matter2003
TheElectricCompany Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 New England got Randy Moss for a 5th and Moss is a HOFer... 4th round pick. He was coming off his worst year (550 yards) and his "character issues" are in a class of their own. The Patriots were the only team that could manage Moss.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Not for $13M a year No thank you CBF
JoPar_v2 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Not for $13M a year No thank you CBF Exactly. Way too expensive for a guy that's always struck me as a little streaky production-wise.
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Cooks went for a late 1st rounder, and Hilton's a better receiver than him. It will take major currency to get it done. Then not going to get him. Keep the picks
TheElectricCompany Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Exactly. Way too expensive for a guy that's always struck me as a little streaky production-wise. $11-14 million is pretty much the going rate for a top tier, but not elite receiver. Antonio Brown is $17 million, and OBJ might break that this offseason.
JoPar_v2 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 $11-14 million is pretty much the going rate for a top tier, but not elite receiver. Antonio Brown is $17 million, and OBJ might break that this offseason. Yes he's certainly got talent commensurate with the money I suppose. I can recall him breaking off several 200+ yard games paired with Luck. He still just appears streaky to me; I have to dig into his game log though and actually look I could be way off.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Cooks went for a late 1st rounder, and Hilton's a better receiver than him. It will take major currency to get it done. Cooks is on a rookie contract, as opposed to TY's deal.
TheElectricCompany Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Cooks is on a rookie contract, as opposed to TY's deal. It's a talent driven league, I don't think the contract, which is fair and reasonable for his production, is that big of a deal. I don't think anyone gives them enough compensation to make this deal go through.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 It's a talent driven league, I don't think the contract, which is fair and reasonable for his production, is that big of a deal. I don't think anyone gives them enough compensation to make this deal go through. Teams are definitely willing to give up more for a player if they cost less and have relatively similar talent. TY costs 6.67X what Cooks does this year. It matters.
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Then not going to get him. Keep the picks Agree with Bobby...this frankly just doesnt sound like the MO of our team. We are going to draft our players....it will be interesting to see what we do with our free agent dollars
Mat68 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 He is making a stink about targets. I see 0 chance Mcdermott and Beane bring in a diva wr for this team. Hilton, and Bryant have 0 chance of coming to buffalo.
TheElectricCompany Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Teams are definitely willing to give up more for a player if they cost less and have relatively similar talent. TY costs 6.67X what Cooks does this year. It matters. To a team with tons of cap room, it matters little. His contract is not out of line. Anyway, I don't think any deal gets done. He's worth a 1st round pick and change and no team wants to give up that kind of currency for a wide receiver. Edited October 30, 2017 by TheElectricCompany
BigBuff423 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 No thank you....I can see adding a WR, especially if Thompson is out, but not K-Y.....I'd rather take a shifty, quick WR that is perfect for the slot and let the big guys battle on the outside
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 @TomPelissero In addition to Vontae Davis and T.Y. Hilton, the #Colts have had trade talks about Donte Moncrief, per sources. Getting calls and listening.
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