Dareus traded to Jacksonville!

[Returntoglory]

 

The Dareus transaction isn't something to lament about--- it's a transaction that should be praised. It demonstrates that the organization has an ethos that centers around effort, team mentality and character. The Bills are rebuilding the roster with the type of players who fit the ethos that is being promoted. It's not just idle talk. It's being enacted on.

 

I have said it before that I don't think this is a playoff team mostly because it is too thin. As the season advances the injuries are going to deplete the talent. But I'm not disturbed by that. What I see that I am encouraged about is an organization that is acting in unison and purpose. This new regime isn't simply talking the good talk; they are acting it out. Kudos!

BAAM!

[Scott7975]

 

You're cherry picking. What player wins on every play? Yet you have nothing to say on the other plays that defeat your narrative.

 

Based on watching the network broadcast of course.

I'm not cherry picking. I picked out a bunch of plays from the link YOU gave me. I mean seriously bro? I claim you don't provide any evidence or analysis. You say I'm wrong and provide me a link but still no analysis of your own. I then provide analysis on all the plays Dareus did nothing and you claim I'm cherry picking? That's weak bro.

 

Your claims... Dareus is taking double teams

Your link... Darues was doubled on 2 of 19 plays

Your claims... Dareus is a real force out there

Your link... He was a force on a few of the plays and did nothing on the rest.

 

Your argument is weak. Do some work and back your stuff up.

 

 

No not based on watching the network broadcast. Based on watching the 19 plays you provided a link to. Doubled on 2 of 19.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Scott7975

[CommonCents]

That's attributable to scheme more than anything else but I'd still be interested to know if the same people touting Dareus taking on double teams are the same ones who complained so much when he did that under Ryan's scheme.

It's a lost cause. The same folks did this with Watkins and his "double teams" he couldn't have had a worst start in LA against premiere corners and the same posters are still washing his balls.

 

My guess is Dareus will actually play well on a star studded dline, ignore the noise. They got away from a disaster of a contract and moved on from a player whose likelihood to miss an entire season is pretty high. The noise will be deafining until the inevitable happens.

[oldmanfan]

 

Wrong again.

 

 

Too busy believing your own generalizations based on snap counts that don't factor in anything including him leaving on game early, missing one game, and then working his way back from injury. Keep swinging though.

One play? Your evidence is a tweet of one play? Come on. Get serious.

[Overdue Bill]

Best move so far this season...he was never comfortable with this leadership team AND he was paid much more than he was worth to the organization. I am not saying that he was "sand bagging" but between the off field issues and the attitude problems he was more trouble than he was worth.

[Boatdrinks]

It's a lost cause. The same folks did this with Watkins and his "double teams" he couldn't have had a worst start in LA against premiere corners and the same posters are still washing his balls.

My guess is Dareus will actually play well on a star studded dline, ignore the noise. They got away from a disaster of a contract and moved on from a player whose likelihood to miss an entire season is pretty high. The noise will be deafining until the inevitable happens.

You obviously haven't watched the Rams games. Watkins is doing what he's asked and is getting open. Goff is often not going through his progressions and not looking Watkins way. Watch the games. Edited October 28, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[26CornerBlitz]

I'm not cherry picking. I picked out a bunch of plays from the link YOU gave me. I mean seriously bro? I claim you don't provide any evidence or analysis. You say I'm wrong and provide me a link but still no analysis of your own. I then provide analysis on all the plays Dareus did nothing and you claim I'm cherry picking? That's weak bro.

 

Your claims... Dareus is taking double teams

Your link... Darues was doubled on 2 of 19 plays

Your claims... Dareus is a real force out there

Your link... He was a force on a few of the plays and did nothing on the rest.

 

Your argument is weak. Do some work and back your stuff up.

 

 

No not based on watching the network broadcast. Based on watching the 19 plays you provided a link to. Doubled on 2 of 19.

 

Wrong! Go back and read the commentary along with looking at the GIFs. Most of them are complimentary to what he's doing with a few negatives.

[Scott7975]

You obviously haven't watched the Rams games. Watkins is doing what he's asked and is getting open. Goff is often not going through his progressions and not looking Watkins way. Watch the games.

He has consistently thrown the ball to 7 or 8 different targets a game.

 

Wrong! Go back and read the commentary along with looking at the GIFs. Most of them are complimentary to what he's doing with a few negatives.

 

Wrong! Go look at them and do your OWN analysis of the play. Most of the comments have little to do with Dareus.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Good riddance.

[HappyDays]

I guess NFL Scouts and Coaches are wrong then on positions of most importance?

Yes! NFL scouts and coaches are consistently awful at their jobs. If you look at the last 6 Super Bowls only 2 DTs out of 12 teams were All-Pros in the year they made the Super Bowl - Keenan Short and Haloti Ngata. The rest of the teams had JAGs at that position. On defense I want guys that rush the passer and a shut down secondary.

 

I love everything McBeane is doing. Getting rid of overrated players that have been sold to the fanbase for years. Clearing cap space for the future. Picking up an extra 1st round pick and grabbing a future Pro Bowl CB. They know what it takes to win a Super Bowl and theyre really going for it. Any GM/coach could have come in and said eh, roster is good enough. Lets see what we can do without blowing it up. McBeane says screw that, were taking a couple years to build a yearly championship contender. I have no doubts they will take a QB next year in the first 2 rounds while still bringing back Tyrod, because QB is most important of all and the more competition the better. No one on the roster is safe unless theyre giving it their all and performing on and off the field. I feel REALLY good about our new direction. And somewhere were still winning at the beginning of our rebuild.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Draining the Swamp

[boyst]

 

What games Rams' games have you watched this season to see whether he's getting open or not?

 

 

Goff has missed him on several occasions when he's been open down field.

step down from your thrown. Tell me what you've seen, cite your analysis and engage in actual conversation.

 

I will not waste my time as I have in the past to display facts and evidence to disagree with you.

 

I've seen the Rams play enough to know Watkins is not drawing the coverages you believe nor making a difference. I will concede it is because Goff doesn't go deep to him but he doesn't need to. Rams are clearly winning without Watkins and will only re-sign him to save face.

 

Your ability to paste articles is great. But, you have never displayed an intellect for football or analyzing it to make any Proclamation that you can understand the game. So, please stop, it's embarrassing.

 

Talk to me when you watch. Hyperbole won't cover up for you.

speak for yourself. Tell us which games we need to watch and give us more than your contratian babble.

 

Biggest mistake you make here is presenting yourself as having any football intelligence. I've forgot more than you'll ever know.

 

Watch the games and see what coverage he draws/defeats along with what decisions Goff is making. Then you tell me.

maybe of I do that, will you for once actually have the chutzpah to respond?

 

Okay. What are the route combinations and concepts that McVay designs and what is Watkins' role in the success of those who get all those targets? I'm sure you won't answer since you don't watch. Continue your boxscore assessment.

while you make up such nonsensical questions.

 

Why is mcvay only using Watkins and his YAC for long routes which aren't contributing?

I've watch d every game. Virtually every single play the opposing team has a guy in press coverage against Watkins. Right at the line. I won't say at all he is double covered every play because he is not. But they almost always move the safeties to his side. That said, the Rams coach, McVay, is very clever with his formations and plays and play calling. And Gurley has been excellent. They have been moving down the field incrementally and making first downs and winning games for the most part. Kupp has been taking advantage of being ignored or allowed to run free in the middle. Woods has been open a lot. There is no need to really change what they are doing much. Goff has missed Sammy deep when he was open a few times but they are not targeting him and they don't really have to.

26copypastes nonsense in a nutshell

 

Watkins is a number 1WR and better than other 1WR. Other 1WR don't [evidently] draw safety coverage or 1CB's. Because Watkins draws these coverages he cannot produce because the defenses magically do something to Watkins they don't do to others.

[Kelly the Dog]

step down from your thrown. Tell me what you've seen, cite your analysis and engage in actual conversation.

I will not waste my time as I have in the past to display facts and evidence to disagree with you.

I've seen the Rams play enough to know Watkins is not drawing the coverages you believe nor making a difference. I will concede it is because Goff doesn't go deep to him but he doesn't need to. Rams are clearly winning without Watkins and will only re-sign him to save face.

Your ability to paste articles is great. But, you have never displayed an intellect for football or analyzing it to make any Proclamation that you can understand the game. So, please stop, it's embarrassing.speak for yourself. Tell us which games we need to watch and give us more than your contratian babble.

Biggest mistake you make here is presenting yourself as having any football intelligence. I've forgot more than you'll ever know.maybe of I do that, will you for once actually have the chutzpah to respond?while you make up such nonsensical questions.

Why is mcvay only using Watkins and his YAC for long routes which aren't contributing?26copypastes nonsense in a nutshell

Watkins is a number 1WR and better than other 1WR. Other 1WR don't [evidently] draw safety coverage or 1CB's. Because Watkins draws these coverages he cannot produce because the defenses magically do something to Watkins they don't do to others.

You should have just wrote "I don't watch their games so I have no clue" and saved yourself a lot of time.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Best move so far this season...he was never comfortable with this leadership team AND he was paid much more than he was worth to the organization. I am not saying that he was "sand bagging" but between the off field issues and the attitude problems he was more trouble than he was worth.

He sand bagged all the time, constantly feigning "injury" to get plays off. Good riddance, rather have another Kyle.

[GoBills808]

step down from your thrown. Tell me what you've seen, cite your analysis and engage in actual conversation.

 

I will not waste my time as I have in the past to display facts and evidence to disagree with you.

 

I've seen the Rams play enough to know Watkins is not drawing the coverages you believe nor making a difference. I will concede it is because Goff doesn't go deep to him but he doesn't need to. Rams are clearly winning without Watkins and will only re-sign him to save face.

 

Your ability to paste articles is great. But, you have never displayed an intellect for football or analyzing it to make any Proclamation that you can understand the game. So, please stop, it's embarrassing.

speak for yourself. Tell us which games we need to watch and give us more than your contratian babble.

 

Biggest mistake you make here is presenting yourself as having any football intelligence. I've forgot more than you'll ever know.

maybe of I do that, will you for once actually have the chutzpah to respond?

while you make up such nonsensical questions.

 

Why is mcvay only using Watkins and his YAC for long routes which aren't contributing?

I watch a lot of Rams games owing to having Gurley in a few leagues, and I can confidently say Watkins is not a major feature of their offense. I haven't watched closely enough to say whether it's due to coverage or offensive scheme, but the whole "#1 WR draws #1CB+safety" argument doesn't hold water with me. If that was the case, guys like Hopkins, Evans, and Hilton (#1s without premier passers throwing the ball) wouldn't be consistently outperforming him. It's true that Gurley gets the lion's share of work in that offense, but still. Watkins is simply a superb physical talent that for whatever reason has yet to produce like a top wideout should, and isn't featured in offenses to the same extent as his contemporaries.

[YoloinOhio]

I have zero interest in watching any Rams games unless its the only one on, but while the Sammy trade may have hurt the Bills in the short term with the strength of our WR group this year, it looks like it hasnt really helped the Rams in the short term as Goff prefers his other targets - and if they dont re-sign him it will really hurt in the long term giving up a 2nd rd pick.

Edited October 28, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[eball]

Tell me the last team to win without stars? It doesnt happen.

Well the Bills were not winning with Watkins and Dareus playing significant roles so perhaps they were not the right stars.

[NoSaint]

MD, Sammy, Darby were all here together at the same time.

 

What was accomplished?

.500 despite Rex

[Scott7975]

Here I will do some work for you just to further prove you add nothing. You try to discredit me saying I don't watch anything when you are the actual one not watching anything. You claim you have all 22 access and have watched all the plays, yet when questioned you provide a link of someone else's work. Said work doesn't even put Dareus in a good light. Don't bother responding until you do some actual work instead of just cut/paste of someone else's.

 

Play 1 comment: Humber does a great job of diagnosing, getting downhill. Shows fantastic pad level & rip en route to the tackle. Dareus grinding inside.

Play 1 actual: Dareus gets pushed a couple times Humbar makes a tackle.

 

Play 2 comment: If Dareus doesn't stack, put his helmet in the hole, shed and force the cutback how big of a run would this be?

Play 2 actual: Dareus does a great job shedding his block and making the tackle

 

Play 3 comment: Dareus leveraging his gap, helmet in the hole deters RB from entering. Holding on Washington

Play 3 actual: Dareus shoved aside by a single blocker. Runner squeaks through hole left by Dareus, gains 3 yards, and is tackled by someone else.

 

Play 4 comment: 1 QB hurry on 12 pass rush snaps by Dareus, it may have affected this pass. Forced 3rd and long. Not the same player right now.

Play 4 actual: Dareus sheds a single blocker and hurries an incomplete pass. According to comments it was the only time Dareus caused a hurry in 12 pass plays.

 

Play 5 comment: Dareus hustling down the LOS

Play 5 actual: Dareus runs down the line unimpeded and dives at player. Player gains almost 5 yards. Someone else completes the tackle.

 

Play 6 comment: #Bengals working the high low on PB, but don't have enough time bc Dareus makes the guard look silly.

Play 6 actual: Guard chips Dareus then goes on to double team edge rusher. This leaves Dareus a gaping hole to the QB and he gets a sack. Dareus actually did nothing to the guard.

 

Play 7 comment: Dareus double allows Hyde to make tackle. I guess that's holding on Kyle....

Play 7 actual: Dareus gets doubled allowing a gaping hole. Good job by their oline. Runner gets 4 yards. Hyde comes up from like 10 yards away to ge the tackle and I fail to see how Hyde gets a tackle BECAUSE of Dareus when the tackle was in the open field.

 

Play 8 comment: Hughes sets a really good edge, Dareus wins the hand fight.

Play 8 actual: Dareus does a good job shedding his single block and makes a tackle

 

Play 9 comment: Milano's first rep over front-Does a good job of keeping contain forcing the cutback and making the tackle. Good pursuit by Dareus and PB.

Play 9 actual: Dareus had good pursuit I guess. He was pushed the direction of the play and did absolutely nothing on the tackle.

 

Play 10 comment: Dareus senses the screen and does a good job of leveraging the cutback. Car still gets 4 tho

Play 10 actual: I don't have much to say because this is just a still image. There is no way to see what actually happens other than Carolina picks up 4 yards and Dareus was in the area.

 

Play 11 comment: #Bucs trap Kyle but Dareus does what he wants. Appears to be getting his game back...

Play 11 actual: Dareus takes on the center stands his ground and does a good job getting the tackle. The RB played this play poor though as he had a nice hole he could have ran to instead of running into his center.

 

Play 12 comment: Milano feels the cutback coming, forces back inside where Eddie and Dareus clean up.

Play 12 actual: Dareus sheds his block and piles on a runner that was already being tackled to the ground by someone else. He did show nice hustle I'll give him that but really didn't do anything to effect the play.

 

Play 13 comment: Don't like Dareus' pad level and hand usage. Watch Thornton at 3 tech, helmet in gap, leads with hands, stacks, disengages..Textbook

Play 13 actual: Dareus is shoved back off the line leaving a hole for the runner. Dareus is then shoved aside as the runner is tackled by someone else. 3 to 4 yard gain on first down.

 

Play 14 comment: Another great job by Dareus. Holds his gap, but check out Lawson, reads the play, takes on the puller and brings the RB down.

Play 14 actual: Um I guess Dareus did a great job. He took on a single blocker which left a gaping hole. If not for Alexander and Lawson collapsing that hole that would have been big yardage. I don't see how that paints Dareus in a good light. He was the reason a hole existed.

 

Play 15 comment: Nice play design-eye candy, trap on Kyle. I don't like Dareus' lack of hand usage. Doesn't lead w hands. Bear hugged at the POA..Crazy.

Play 15 actual: Dareus stood up by single blocker. Gaping hole. Runner gets roughly 11 yards.

 

Play 16 comment: Now that is the Dareus we know-Good pad level, leads with hands, eyes over hands, disengages for the tackle.

Play 16 actual: Dareus takes on a single blocker. Does good job shedding block giving the runner only a 2 yard gain.

 

Play 17 comment: 3rd and 7-Exotic 5 man pressure. Milano heads up over center, twist by Kyle and Dareus frees up Milano for a big hit and incompletion.

Play 17 actual: Dareus took on a block. Ran around and took another block Kyle blows Milano's blocker off of Milano and Milano gets pressure on the QB. Incomplete 35 yard pass.

 

Play 18 comment: Dareus disengages as the #Bucs run pin and pull concept. Milano blown up by guard

Play 18 actual: Pretty much what happened. Dareus made a nice play.

 

Play 19 comment: Dareus being Dareus, but the ball out quickly. Everyone relax, he will be fine.

Play 19 actual: Dareus blew past his blocker as his blocker whiffed hard. Still got nowhere near the QB because it was a quick throw and didn't matter. 6 yard gain.

step down from your thrown. Tell me what you've seen, cite your analysis and engage in actual conversation.

I will not waste my time as I have in the past to display facts and evidence to disagree with you.

I've seen the Rams play enough to know Watkins is not drawing the coverages you believe nor making a difference. I will concede it is because Goff doesn't go deep to him but he doesn't need to. Rams are clearly winning without Watkins and will only re-sign him to save face.

Your ability to paste articles is great. But, you have never displayed an intellect for football or analyzing it to make any Proclamation that you can understand the game. So, please stop, it's embarrassing.
speak for yourself. Tell us which games we need to watch and give us more than your contratian babble.

Biggest mistake you make here is presenting yourself as having any football intelligence. I've forgot more than you'll ever know.
maybe of I do that, will you for once actually have the chutzpah to respond?
while you make up such nonsensical questions.

Why is mcvay only using Watkins and his YAC for long routes which aren't contributing?
26copypastes nonsense in a nutshell

Watkins is a number 1WR and better than other 1WR. Other 1WR don't [evidently] draw safety coverage or 1CB's. Because Watkins draws these coverages he cannot produce because the defenses magically do something to Watkins they don't do to others.

 

Glad I am not the only one to see that he doesn't actually provide any evidence or his own analysis but criticizes others when others do actual research.

[LABILLBACKER]

 

Talk about not doing your due diligence,thats why we haven't made the playoffs too many first round wiffs.

Doesn't look like McD whiffed on Tre...