NoSaint Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 If you gave me the option of Dareus or Vallejo and$2M in cap space Im taking Dareus 10 times out of 10. Thats why I dont like the move. Right- if some team had dareus in a $2m deal and said they would take a 6th for him... every last one of us would jump on it.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Fwiw, raw stats of "tackles" for a DT mean less than zero.
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Post the site your gettinf that number. Because i bet you are counting his INJ missed plays as wel. But your agenda i got it Show it Of course it doesn't include his missed time. Why would it? He wasn't on the field. That does zero to my argument. Other players played those snaps just fine. He play 33% of the snaps on the year. Whether it's because he missed time for injury or the coaches didn't put him in matters not. Here you go... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2017-snap-counts.htm Edited October 28, 2017 by Scott7975
NoSaint Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I really hope there's some part to this that everyone who has reported on it so far is getting wrong. (Jax is on the hook for the 2018 guaranteed portion of Dareus's salary or something) If we really traded a 2x probowl DT (within the AFC to a wildcard competitor) to save $7mil over 2 years and gain a 6th round pick I don't know what to say. We could have saved more money cutting Dimarco/Ducasse. Jax takes all future payments to him (2018 salary)
K-9 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Yup. Dareus is a unique character. I don't think he's the jerk people make him out to be. I do think you can't excuse his behavior anymore. I do think that his teammates like him more than don't. It's possible that we will be better without him with all overachievers. That has yet to be determined. And who knows whether Dareus will perform for Todd Wash, the DC of the Jags. I know nothing about him except they kept him because his D was top ten last year. Just to be clear, I don’t think he’s a jerk at all. I think he’s a big ole teddy bear of a fun loving guy who just isn’t that much into football anymore. I sincerely hope he can return to form and that the DC in Jax is another Schwartz for him. I just doubt it very much at this point.
QCity Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Ive factored in the $14M of dead space next year (hence the $2M in cap space created). Have you factored in his laziness or his attitude? Do you know how to beat cancer before it spreads? Early detection. From everything I read, they spent the entire offseason trying to unload this guy. His market value is clearly a 6th round pick. 2014 Dareus ain't comin' back.
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Yeah, because NOTHING says cheap quite like a team owned by Terry Pegula. Think before you post. So far we have not paid Gilmore, not paid Gillislee, not paid Woods, traded Watkins before we had to pay him, traded Dareus, tried to trade Glenn, only brough Tyrod back at half price...I did think. Look at what has taken place. I dont care what type of money pegula has. Its a salary cap league and hes not making the roster decisions. These guys are going to fill a team with value c minus players and never overlay for guys. A lot of people like that. I just think the money ball movement is overblown and the teams with the good players usually win
K-9 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 and what about those missing 10 minutes? Haha! I’m guessing bong hits in the blue medical observation tent on the sideline.
What a Tuel Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 ✔ @spotrac Dareus leaves dead cap hits of $10.66M & $14.2M to the #Bills in 2017/2018 while saving $5.7M/$2.3M respectively. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/marcell-dareus-7718/ … 7:36 PM - Oct 27, 2017 But we are still paying $10.66 and $14.2 million for no player. "Saving" is a bit misleading in this regard, unless someone wants to clarify.
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Of course it doesn't include his missed time. Why would it? He wasn't on the field. That does zero to my argument. Other players played those snaps just fine. He play 33% of the snaps on the year. Whether it's because he missed time for injury or the coaches didn't put him in matters not. Here you go... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2017-snap-counts.htm Did they hmmmm ok the games Dareus had low snap counts we lost. The games he didnt we won. Interesting huh??? Ooo and every DT on this team minus Kyle is around 33% So who is taking Marcel snaps and tell me how thag is better. For a grand total of 2M in cap space and a throw away pick because we have a coaching staff and FO that just tosses talent to the wayside
Kelly the Dog Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 ✔ @spotrac Dareus leaves dead cap hits of $10.66M & $14.2M to the #Bills in 2017/2018 while saving $5.7M/$2.3M respectively. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/marcell-dareus-7718/ … 7:36 PM - Oct 27, 2017 But we are still paying $10.66 and $14.2 million for no player. "Saving" is a bit misleading in this regard, unless someone wants to clarify. His salary is deducted from the dead cap for both years.
MRW Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 ✔ @spotrac Dareus leaves dead cap hits of $10.66M & $14.2M to the #Bills in 2017/2018 while saving $5.7M/$2.3M respectively. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/marcell-dareus-7718/ … 7:36 PM - Oct 27, 2017 But we are still paying $10.66 and $14.2 million for no player. "Saving" is a bit misleading in this regard, unless someone wants to clarify. Salary + additional guarantees + amortized cap would've exceeded the dead cap number, so on net the Bills get some cap savings.
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 So far we have not paid Gilmore, not paid Gillislee, not paid Woods, traded Watkins before we had to pay him, traded Dareus, tried to trade Glenn, only brough Tyrod back at half price...I did think. Look at what has taken place. I dont care what type of money pegula has. Its a salary cap league and hes not making the roster decisions. These guys are going to fill a team with value c minus players and never overlay for guys. A lot of people like that. I just think the money ball movement is overblown and the teams with the good players usually winthe piece you are missing is that they will likely pay for the players that they feel fit the team and culture. They didnt want to pay for the players that they didnt see as part of the long term vision. At this point, its so early that we only see the outgoing.
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 ✔ @spotrac Dareus leaves dead cap hits of $10.66M & $14.2M to the #Bills in 2017/2018 while saving $5.7M/$2.3M respectively. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/marcell-dareus-7718/ 7:36 PM - Oct 27, 2017 But we are still paying $10.66 and $14.2 million for no player. "Saving" is a bit misleading in this regard, unless someone wants to clarify. Because his overall cap hit had he stayed on the team was more than the Dead Money. Hence that Cap Savings
BuffaloRebound Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 The odds of a guy turning around his career who's already been paid $70m with another $15m guaranteed are extremely low. Doesn't strike me as a guy who loves football.
What a Tuel Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 His salary is deducted from the dead cap for both years. Is that a cap rule? Its odd to me that part of his original contract would be offset by a different part of his original contract.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Just to be clear, I don’t think he’s a jerk at all. I think he’s a big ole teddy bear of a fun loving guy who just isn’t that much into football anymore. I sincerely hope he can return to form and that the DC in Jax is another Schwartz for him. I just doubt it very much at this point. I think he's just a guy who hates football but knows he has to play it because that's what he's paid very highly to do.
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) ✔ @spotrac Dareus leaves dead cap hits of $10.66M & $14.2M to the #Bills in 2017/2018 while saving $5.7M/$2.3M respectively. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/marcell-dareus-7718/ 7:36 PM - Oct 27, 2017 But we are still paying $10.66 and $14.2 million for no player. "Saving" is a bit misleading in this regard, unless someone wants to clarify. Our dead cap hit is less than what his cap hit would cost if he was here. There is nothing more to clarify because it's pretty simple. They deal with a dead cap next year and it's over. This year doesn't even matter. They do save like 16 a year for the next few after next year too though. Edited October 28, 2017 by Scott7975
klos63 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Haha! I’m guessing bong hits in the blue medical observation tent on the sideline. time well spent
BillsPride12 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Just to be clear, I don’t think he’s a jerk at all. I think he’s a big ole teddy bear of a fun loving guy who just isn’t that much into football anymore. I sincerely hope he can return to form and that the DC in Jax is another Schwartz for him. I just doubt it very much at this point. I've met him before and he's not a jerk by any means. He was very friendly and down to earth. But that doesn't win football games and the guy clearly does not have a burning desire to play football at the highest level he is capable of right now. Sometimes it is tough to hear the personal attacks on Dareus because he really is a good dude as a human being but it was absolutely time for the Bills to cut ties and move on from him
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