Texans ready to walk out on owner after “inmate” comments

[mannc]

It doesnt particularly make sense to me on the surface. Has he better described that possible context elsewhere? Its very easy to understand if pointed towards the players, but towards the league office it seems to be going over my head

MCNairs new rationalization makes no sense whatsoever. No one with half a brain would even give it a second thought. Its exactly like the laughable excuses that the guy gave for shooting that racist eye gesture at Yu Darvish the other night.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

As we see more comments about acceptable vs unacceptable protests Id be curious where some draw the line. What showings would be ok, and what would be too far?

My anecdotal impression is that a lot of the most vocal on this would like to see them simply quit the league and not be heard from again as the most acceptable showing. Cant be something that gets attention during the game, before the game, on tv shows about the league, etc...

 

I agree that if theres other context its important to hear it.

But the analogy is hand meet glove for what an owner would say about a player. I am really strugggling to find even a slightly reasonable way to apply it to goodell. Are the owners the prisoners allowing whatever they want and Goodell needs to be their warden?

I only speak for myself, but I see very little value in the time/place they have chosen to protest. It quite literally does nothing for me to except offend my sensibilities that they choose a multi-billion dollar entertainment venue with massive security provided by police as their Selma. Put CK in his dopey Che t-shirt in downtown Miami calling for revolution and while I'd still think he's a moron, I'd respect his commitment to his ideals. That's just me.

 

I think you cemented my point where you acknowledged that context is important, and followed up with...the "hand in glove....". Comment. Context is always necessary, that's the point of context.

 

A few pages back, one of the more visible posters said something akin to "the natives are getting restless". That poster always seems pretty reasonable to me, and certainly seems to be at least in part on the side of the players. But in 2017....natives are getting restless seems to make light of the emotions and concerns of the indigenous people(s) of the land. Given the history of imperialism of this country, referring to "natives" as "restless" could be perceived as both objectifying and condescending. Given the context of where it was said, I don't think that was the intent but one could argue it was McNairish.

 

 

As for the veracity of McNair explanation, I have no idea. I'm just a guy who wants to see Tyrod throw for 425 and the bills to drop fifty-three on the Raiders.

Edited October 29, 2017 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[RaoulDuke79]

Kneeling during the anthem to protest this is stupid.

 

If they think McNair should be held accountable somehow for this injustice, then protest the NFL; not the country. If they felt that strongly about it, they wouldn't play. THAT is a protest in this situation. Kneeling during the anthem, for this, is just dumb.

Bingo, this is "Well were kind of offended, so we're going with the ol standby kneeling during the anthem protest". If these folks were that disgusted by McNairs comments they would refuse to suit up in a Texans uniform. But unfortunately that would require some sacrifice on their part.

[NoSaint]

Bingo, this is "Well were kind of offended, so we're going with the ol standby kneeling during the anthem protest". If these folks were that disgusted by McNairs comments they would refuse to suit up in a Texans uniform. But unfortunately that would require some sacrifice on their part.

So it seems we are actually moving towards i think they should actually effect the game

 

Like, say pegs says something dumb down the stretch, youd prefer the team sitting all afternoon not just putting up a fist or kneeling pre game?

I only speak for myself, but I see very little value in the time/place they have chosen to protest. It quite literally does nothing for me to except offend my sensibilities that they choose a multi-billion dollar entertainment venue with massive security provided by police as their Selma. Put CK in his dopey Che t-shirt in downtown Miami calling for revolution and while I'd still think he's a moron, I'd respect his commitment to his ideals. That's just me.

 

I think you cemented my point where you acknowledged that context is important, and followed up with...the "hand in glove....". Comment. Context is always necessary, that's the point of context.

 

A few pages back, one of the more visible posters said something akin to "the natives are getting restless". That poster always seems pretty reasonable to me, and certainly seems to be at least in part on the side of the players. But in 2017....natives are getting restless seems to make light of the emotions and concerns of the indigenous people(s) of the land. Given the history of imperialism of this country, referring to "natives" as "restless" could be perceived as both objectifying and condescending. Given the context of where it was said, I don't think that was the intent but one could argue it was McNairish.

 

 

As for the veracity of McNair explanation, I have no idea. I'm just a guy who wants to see Tyrod throw for 425 and the bills to drop fifty-three on the Raiders.

So, maybe its not bad to have real public discussions about some of those phrases that have carried on and we say without thinking? Cause honestly, whats the positive in us still having the natives are getting restless as a turn of phrase we use? Edited October 29, 2017 by NoSaint

[RaoulDuke79]

So it seems we are actually moving towards i think they should actually effect the game

Like, say pegs says something dumb down the stretch, youd prefer the team sitting all afternoon not just putting up a fist or kneeling pre game?

 

So, maybe its not bad to have real public discussions about sons of those phrases that have carried on and we say without thinking? Cause honestly, whats the positive in us still having the natives are getting restless as a turn of phrase we use?

I'd prefer everyone shut up and play football, but if you're going to protest don't half ass it. Go right ahead and kill the golden goose. Edited October 29, 2017 by RaoulDuke79

[Gugny]

I'd prefer everyone shut up and play football, but if you're going to protest don't half ass it. Go right ahead and kill the golden goose.

 

My sentiments, exactly.

 

EDIT: And, frankly, this is also what it's going to take if they want to win anything in the new CBA.

Edited October 29, 2017 by Gugny

[Boatdrinks]

So you are tired of seeing people discuss it but simultaneously the most active member of a discussion about it?

If it were an actual discussion with contrary points of view it would have some merit and at least be palatable. Unfortunately we have a complicit media who accept it as fact and never offer the other side of the story. It's more of a theology and a mantra at this point than any kind of honest discussion.

Boatdrinks would probably have the type of meltdown that would end with the police at his home

That's a wild exaggeration on your part. I would actually just not watch it. What an ignorant statement .

[aristocrat]

Can’t wait for racism to be figured out on Monday. Pretty exciting stuff

 

 

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[boyst]

 

My sentiments, exactly.

 

EDIT: And, frankly, this is also what it's going to take if they want to win anything in the new CBA.

this is what the impetus is. The smarter players are going to let this be part of their bargaining. The stupid players are going to be left giving the fight and being made to look rather silly. But, the smart ones behind closed doors will fight like hell on this

[NoSaint]

That's a wild exaggeration on your part. I would actually just not watch it. What an ignorant statement .

Now was it some light ribbing or a super serious commentary? This clearly has you upset without it effecting the actual game, so if players sit I was teasing youd be super upset.

 

And of course you wouldnt watch. Itd be 6 hours of Terry Bradshaw and Michael Strahan debating race relations if players boycotted the game unexpectedly.

Edited October 29, 2017 by NoSaint

[boyst]

Now was it some light ribbing or a super serious commentary? This clearly has you upset without it effecting the actual game, so if players say I was teasing youd be super upset.

 

And of course you wouldnt watch. Itd be 6 hours of Terry Bradshaw and Michael Strahan debating race relations if players boycotted the game unexpectedly.

first, you've been a great participant in this discussion

Third, don't they already discuss it that much?

[mannc]

Third, don't they already discuss it that much?

Actually, Ive heard almost no discussion of these issues during the games themselves, which makes me think that the people who say, I just want to watch football without all this social activism, are being disingenuous. All the talk about it happens during pregame, during the week, and on social media.

(Why do all the quotation marks keep disappearing?)

Edited October 29, 2017 by mannc

[The Senator]

So I guess the Bills have new helmets for their throwback uniforms since they couldn't peel off the charging Buffalo.

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure they are different helmets altogether, but I could be wrong.

 

Maybe each player has to peel his own decal, then replace it after the game. Or maybe they hire someone just for this task?

 

:>)

 

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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

So it seems we are actually moving towards i think they should actually effect the game

Like, say pegs says something dumb down the stretch, youd prefer the team sitting all afternoon not just putting up a fist or kneeling pre game?

So, maybe its not bad to have real public discussions about some of those phrases that have carried on and we say without thinking? Cause honestly, whats the positive in us still having the natives are getting restless as a turn of phrase we use?

 

Well, it depends on your perspective. Words and phrases are not currency, and cannot simply be removed from the lexicon. On the other hand, it's nice to evolve so I think over time this tends to happen anyways. And personally I get a little antsy when someone suggests words and phrases that will no longer be tolerated (with of course some notable exceptions). That has a sorta 70s Cambodia feel to me.

 

I guess at my core I think that sticks and stones can break my bones but words can rarely hurt me.

 

That still doesn't address the main point, which is this: if McNair did not direct the comments toward the players, the whole issue is silly, isn't it? People may be upset and outraged over something that never occurred in the manner it was reported. That sort of manipulation does not further the dialogue, it's does not contribute to the greater good and should at least be considered.

[Boatdrinks]

Actually, Ive heard almost no discussion of these issues during the games themselves, which makes me think that the people who say, I just want to watch football without all this social activism, are being disingenuous. All the talk about it happens during pregame, during the week, and on social media.

(Why do all the quotation marks keep disappearing?)

A big part of the enjoyment of Sunday's was the buildup. Pregame shows anything to do with the NFL. I personally would always watch them. The league itself is a drama, and all that stuff makes it the best league in sports. Unfortunately the shows are now dominated by this " issue". I can't say for anyone else, but there's nothing disingenuous about it. It used to be way more than just the game for afew hours . It was an entire day. Maybe you just weren't clear on that part. It does damage the enjoyment of following the league.

Actually, I'm pretty sure they are different helmets altogether, but I could be wrong.

Maybe each player has to peel his own decal, then replace it after the game. Or maybe they hire someone just for this task?

:>)

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The helmets are the same. They repaint them like every week and then put a different decal on .

[mannc]

Well, it depends on your perspective. Words and phrases are not currency, and cannot simply be removed from the lexicon. On the other hand, it's nice to evolve so I think over time this tends to happen anyways. And personally I get a little antsy when someone suggests words and phrases that will no longer be tolerated (with of course some notable exceptions). That has a sorta 70s Cambodia feel to me.

 

I guess at my core I think that sticks and stones can break my bones but words can rarely hurt me.

 

That still doesn't address the main point, which is this: if McNair did not direct the comments toward the players, the whole issue is silly, isn't it? People may be upset and outraged over something that never occurred in the manner it was reported. That sort of manipulation does not further the dialogue, it's does not contribute to the greater good and should at least be considered.

McNair should have just used his boy Trumps favorite excuse when hes done something like actively encouraging a hostile foreign country to hack his opponents computer: Just kidding! It would be much more credible than the ludicrous explanation McNair gave, which of course Troy Vincent, who was there, did not buy for a second.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Now was it some light ribbing or a super serious commentary? This clearly has you upset without it effecting the actual game, so if players sit I was teasing youd be super upset.

 

And of course you wouldnt watch. Itd be 6 hours of Terry Bradshaw and Michael Strahan debating race relations if players boycotted the game unexpectedly.

If the players really are so grossly offended and are so righteous, stop yapping and stand up for what you believe, boycott the games, I hope they do.

 

Lets just get it over with already. blow the whole thing up.

Edited October 29, 2017 by RoyBatty is alive

[EasternOHBillsFan]

McNair should have just used his boy Trumps favorite excuse when hes done something like actively encouraging a hostile foreign country to hack his opponents computer: Just kidding! It would be much more credible than the ludicrous explanation McNair gave, which of course Troy Vincent, who was there, did not buy for a second.

 

He can hire Bumpkin Huckster-Sanders to be his PR person to make the circle complete. Then an apology isn't necessary...

[NoSaint]

Well, it depends on your perspective. Words and phrases are not currency, and cannot simply be removed from the lexicon. On the other hand, it's nice to evolve so I think over time this tends to happen anyways. And personally I get a little antsy when someone suggests words and phrases that will no longer be tolerated (with of course some notable exceptions). That has a sorta 70s Cambodia feel to me.

 

I guess at my core I think that sticks and stones can break my bones but words can rarely hurt me.

 

That still doesn't address the main point, which is this: if McNair did not direct the comments toward the players, the whole issue is silly, isn't it? People may be upset and outraged over something that never occurred in the manner it was reported. That sort of manipulation does not further the dialogue, it's does not contribute to the greater good and should at least be considered.

If he didnt, sure. But do we jump to defend every far fetched after the fact explanation as probably true? No. Unless he can explain what he meant and it makes sense in the wider context, simply saying he wasnt talking about players wont hold much water- right?

 

 

And of course we cant banish phrases from our language but you and I can say jeeeze before this discussion I used to say that without much thought but after actually pausing for a second its not really the kind of thing I want to keep saying. And we dont have to go burn down the other posters house for typing it either. All kinds of totally reasonable human interaction can come from this, if we decide to be reasonable human beings that can discuss things and effect change in ourselves and those around us.

 

A lot of us, myself included, rattle off old phrases that sound charming and kitschy but are actually kind of gross when held up for examination. I tend to appreciate when someone points out something like that. Cause most of us dont want to be that guy

[mannc]

A big part of the enjoyment of Sunday's was the buildup. Pregame shows anything to do with the NFL. I personally would always watch them. The league itself is a drama, and all that stuff makes it the best league in sports. Unfortunately the shows are now dominated by this " issue". I can't say for anyone else, but there's nothing disingenuous about it. It used to be way more than just the game for afew hours . It was an entire day. Maybe you just weren't clear on that part. It does damage the enjoyment of following the league.

Yes, I can tell by the fact that youve weighed in dozens of times in these threads that youre sick and tired of hearing about this issue.😄