racketmaster Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 Probably a poor choice of words, especially the timing and considering the issue at hand. But come on people, have a thicker skin. It is like people just are looking for ways to be offended out there and then making a much bigger issue about it. I have heard that saying numerous times over my life and never identified it as being racial. Again, not the best analogy to use in that situation but he apologized to Vincent after the meeting and well before this was made public. Yet players want to crucify him for it and seem his apology insincere. How often do the players say and do stupid things that the owners end up defending or being supportive. It is also a generational issue as young people today seem to be more sensitive than previous generations.
Boatdrinks Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 This is what the owners are most afraid of: unified, concerted action by the players. If its one or two players, they can be disciplined or intimidated, but if the team acts in unison, there is not much that can be done. Why do you say that? I would love if the players did this. Let them ruin the game. Just don't show up. Then I don't have to listen to the crap being spewed by sports media turned social commentator.
racketmaster Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 I am a huge football fan and when I tune in to watch a football game that is what I want to see. I want to be entertained and I dont want to be lectured and shown a bunch of propaganda. When I go see a band play I want to hear them play music, not spend time talking politics. I know not everyone feels this way but sports is my time to be entertained and get away from serious discussions for a few hours. The players are starting to ruin the experience and the media also shares a significant amount of blame because they cant get enough of this extracurricular drama.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 NFL players seek meeting with Goodell, McNair, Kaepernick The Washington Post reported Saturday that a panel called the Players Coalition has requested a meeting Monday in Philadelphia http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/29/nfl-players-seek-meeting-with-goodell-mcnair-kaepernick.html This is an interesting article. McNair repeats his assertion that his comments addressed concerns regarding the relationship between league office and ownership, not about the players. The writer chooses not to address that assertion---but isn't that kind of a big deal? The narrative continues to be he insulted players...but I'd think if he WAS speaking about the league that context is pretty important.
Boatdrinks Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) I am a huge football fan and when I tune in to watch a football game that is what I want to see. I want to be entertained and I dont want to be lectured and shown a bunch of propaganda. When I go see a band play I want to hear them play music, not spend time talking politics. I know not everyone feels this way but sports is my time to be entertained and get away from serious discussions for a few hours. The players are starting to ruin the experience and the media also shares a significant amount of blame because they cant get enough of this extracurricular drama. I agree completely. Players as " victims" and media peddling white guilt isn't very appetizing. Too bad the golf season is over. This is an interesting article. McNair repeats his assertion that his comments addressed concerns regarding the relationship between league office and ownership, not about the players. The writer chooses not to address that assertion---but isn't that kind of a big deal? The narrative continues to be he insulted players...but I'd think if he WAS speaking about the league that context is pretty important. Players don't care about context , neither does anyone covering the league for the networks. Edited October 29, 2017 by Boatdrinks
Gugny Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 @AdamSchefter Texans plan group protest; options include kneeling, peeling Texans decal off helmet, raising fists, staying in locker room during anthem. It's time for McNair to put his money where his mouth is. Let HIM be the one sending the message to his team, the NFL and its fans. If these punks want to "protest" the use of a figure of !@#$ing speech, then he should demand that any participants in said "protest" are benched and sent home on the spot. This is what I'd love to see. Frankly, if he doesn't do something like that, then the inmates are indeed running the prison.
NoSaint Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 My concern is that they are spreading a false narrative, and the media is going along for the ride shoveling this crap out as fact. It's not stressful. It sure is annoying though. I'm tired of hearing them talk about it. It HAS overshadowed the game and all the shows I once enjoyed where they actually talked about football. I don't care what these ball players think of me. It's what they think of the Caucasian race as a whole, and of law enforcement. That's where the REAL DANGER of this lies. With the MEDIA. They can believe what they wish, I think the WORST part of it by far is the media attention and parroting of their racist message with literally no naysayers or contrary point of view. It's peddled as fact. Not one of these big mouths on ESPN this AM could possibly believe that old crotchety McNair butchered a commonly used axiom by one word. Now it really is all about the players. The Texans are not victims. I'd like to see them just simply forfeit the game and not show up on the field. So you are tired of seeing people discuss it but simultaneously the most active member of a discussion about it?
racketmaster Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 I agree completely. Players as " victims" and media peddling white guilt isn't very appetizing. Too bad the golf season is over. Players don't care about context , neither does anyone covering the league for the networks. Yeah, it seems like the players are letting their egos cloud their judgment a little. Some of their actions and statements make it seem less about racial inequities and more about the players just not wanting to be told what to do. They are starting to think of themselves as partners and on an equal level with the owners as far as how the league should be run. I believe the players should be heard and have a voice but like in any business the dude who pays the checks should have the final say on things. And if the employee does not like it they can always find another career.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 @AdamSchefter Texans OT Duane Brown told @JosinaAnderson that he anticipates “65-70 percent” of his teammates will kneel today. Won’t remove helmet decals
NoSaint Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 This is an interesting article. McNair repeats his assertion that his comments addressed concerns regarding the relationship between league office and ownership, not about the players. The writer chooses not to address that assertion---but isn't that kind of a big deal? The narrative continues to be he insulted players...but I'd think if he WAS speaking about the league that context is pretty important. It doesnt particularly make sense to me on the surface. Has he better described that possible context elsewhere? Its very easy to understand if pointed towards the players, but towards the league office it seems to be going over my head
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 I agree completely. Players as " victims" and media peddling white guilt isn't very appetizing. Too bad the golf season is over. Players don't care about context , neither does anyone covering the league for the networks. I think you're right about the players, or at least the players group here. This is a negotiation, and had McNair made his comments about the players, well it was a dumb thing to say. I have no doubt activists will seek every angle necessary to exploit the situation, and unfortunately ownership will as well. Personally, I think the players should sit it out. Walk away, enough posturing and threatening and odd protests. I don't know what that actually accomplishes because the ownership group, on average, seems to be compensating them quite fairly, and the fans in attendance/watching seem to be doing their part. But, if a political statement must be made, make a good one. Ripping logos off helmets (one form of protest mentioned) seems pretty weak.
racketmaster Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Its almost comical to me that the players are so offended by the poorly timed analogy used by McNair but they plan on continuing to kneel during the anthem and offend millions of Americans who have served. Again, they only see themselves as victims and are not stepping back to take a deep breath. Maybe they could do something else to bring attention to their cause without offending a significant amount of their fans who pay their salaries. Edited October 29, 2017 by racketmaster
The Senator Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 @AdamSchefter Texans OT Duane Brown told @JosinaAnderson that he anticipates “65-70 percent” of his teammates will kneel today. Won’t remove helmet decals So one of those knuckleheads tried to peel it off over and over again, before finally figuring out it's not a decal??? :>)
Gugny Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 Its almost comical to me that the players are so offended by the poorly timed analogy used by McNair but they plan on continuing to kneel during the anthem and offend millions of Americans who have served. Again, they only see themselves as victims and are not stepping back to take a deep breath. Maybe they could do something else to bring attention to their cause without offending a significant amount of their fans who pay their salaries. Kneeling during the anthem to protest this is stupid. If they think McNair should be held accountable somehow for this injustice, then protest the NFL; not the country. If they felt that strongly about it, they wouldn't play. THAT is a protest in this situation. Kneeling during the anthem, for this, is just dumb.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 It doesnt particularly make sense to me on the surface. Has he better described that possible context elsewhere? Its very easy to understand if pointed towards the players, but towards the league office it seems to be going over my head Well, I'm not saying he's Stephen Hawking, but I think calmer heads should at least consider what he says before buying pitchforks at the Home Depot. We don't know any of the context that lead up to the statement, and there have been more than a few stories out of owners being dissatisfied with goodell and the league offices. All I'm suggesting is that the narrative may well be false. I just want to watch football and don't trust anyone at the table.
NoSaint Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 As we see more comments about acceptable vs unacceptable protests Id be curious where some draw the line. What showings would be ok, and what would be too far? My anecdotal impression is that a lot of the most vocal on this would like to see them simply quit the league and not be heard from again as the most acceptable showing. Cant be something that gets attention during the game, before the game, on tv shows about the league, etc... Well, I'm not saying he's Stephen Hawking, but I think calmer heads should at least consider what he says before buying pitchforks at the Home Depot. We don't know any of the context that lead up to the statement, and there have been more than a few stories out of owners being dissatisfied with goodell and the league offices. All I'm suggesting is that the narrative may well be false. I just want to watch football and don't trust anyone at the table. I agree that if theres other context its important to hear it. But the analogy is hand meet glove for what an owner would say about a player. I am really strugggling to find even a slightly reasonable way to apply it to goodell. Are the owners the prisoners allowing whatever they want and Goodell needs to be their warden?
26CornerBlitz Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 So one of those knuckleheads tried to peel it off over and over again, before finally figuring out it's not a decal??? :>) So I guess the Bills have new helmets for their throwback uniforms since they couldn't peel off the charging Buffalo.
Gugny Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 As we see more comments about acceptable vs unacceptable protests Id be curious where some draw the line. What showings would be ok, and what would be too far? My anecdotal impression is that a lot of the most vocal on this would like to see them simply quit the league and not be heard from again as the most acceptable showing. Cant be something that gets attention during the game, before the game, on tv shows about the league, etc... They need to be unified; not just the Texans, but all players. Line up for kickoff, let the whistle sound, and have every player - on and off the field - protest together. Fist, kneel, whatever. And do it until people start leaving. I don't think this is worth protesting AT ALL. But if they want to get attention, and have some sort of action taken, 65-70 percent of 1/32 teams kneeling during the anthem .... that ain't doing ****.
NoSaint Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 They need to be unified; not just the Texans, but all players. Line up for kickoff, let the whistle sound, and have every player - on and off the field - protest together. Fist, kneel, whatever. And do it until people start leaving. I don't think this is worth protesting AT ALL. But if they want to get attention, and have some sort of action taken, 65-70 percent of 1/32 teams kneeling during the anthem .... that ain't doing ****. Boatdrinks would probably have the type of meltdown that would end with the police at his home
boyst Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 Sheesh. I hope you don't have children. depends on the day in the story I like to tell
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