Chicken Boo Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Damn. I feel like freedom of speech not being the same as freedom of consequences shouldn't be hard for people to understand. Kneel and it may have adverse consequences. Equate NFL players to criminals, it may have adverse consequences. You're free to say and do anything you want; it doesn't mean you're free of any problems that it may create. Understand now? Bingo!
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2017 Author Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) @mikegarafolo Following a meeting between McNair and the players this morning, John reports. . @mcclain_on_nfl OT Duane Brown blasted McNair for his comment. WR DeAndre Hopkins and rookie RB D'Onta Foreman left the facility in anger. Edited October 28, 2017 by YoloinOhio
eball Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Damn. I feel like freedom of speech not being the same as freedom of consequences shouldn't be hard for people to understand. Kneel and it may have adverse consequences. Equate NFL players to criminals, it may have adverse consequences. You're free to say and do anything you want; it doesn't mean you're free of any problems that it may create. Understand now? Very well said. Amazing how many people don't understand this basic concept of what "free speech" really means.
Bill_with_it Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I would bet you anything, anything, that had nothing to do with it. And if Hopkins didn't skip practice we may never have known about it. I haven't seen one player seek out the press. The press sought out them. The players had a players only meeting and argued amongst themselves whether they should all boycott practice. A bunch of them wanted to. That much we know from media asking players, not players going to the media. It came to be that, we don't know how, the players as a whole decided to go to practice as a team. The only reason this came to light was local Houston reporters noticed Hopkins not practicing. He was the only one apparently that decided not to. When the media asked the team why isn't he there because he wasn't injured the team said personal reasons. A reasonable reposnse and pretty much true. No one at this point seemed to want to make this a big media issue. Adam Schefter, who is one of if not the very best at getting scoops and management and agents and players to talk to him, because he is the man in that field, found out that Hopkins skipped practice in protest. And tweeted it out. There is no inference I know of, and I have tried to follow it closely (knowing our limits to really know the truth) that any player tried to make a big deal out of it. Like most stories. Guys like Schefter and local beat reporters are just doing their jobs. They didn't know why the Texans best player wasn't practicing so it's their duty to find out. Then when Shefter and others digging into the story found out more stuff, we the public learned that a lot of players were pissed, they all or a bunch of them were going to not practice, but they decided by themselves that they would. If anyone here wants to chime in with more info we know from reputable sources please do. As fans we can never be sure even if we read an article from a reliable source. The point is, Hopkins and the Texans didn't make a big deal out of this to gain attention from what I know and what I have been following. The local and national media started following the story and digging in (as is their job) and then we learned more. Will be interesting to see what comes next. They absolutely had to know it would make the media.To believe an NFL organization that doesnt have stuff like this make the media is naïveté. This is exactly why they stated it. Same thing with the kneeling, they knew sooner or later the media would make a big deal about.
nedboy7 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 ahhhh some good old racism for Sat morning. Welcome to the new America!!
Bookie Man Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I always thought that was just a figure of speech. I remember this was mentioned with Rex Ryan coached teams
Sig1Hunter Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Besides the terrible metaphor chosen for a social justice demonstration do you ever want your boss talking about you like that in public? Its flat disrespectful I'm a grown man, I can take it. Of this, I am confident.
mannc Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 In my line of work, I deal with a lot of disciplinary/HR issues (I have no onsite HR) and, at one time, nearly half of my staff of 60 was African American. We had multiple issues with several employees, but there was one who was cleverly taking advantage of policies - in a way where it made it difficult to discipline her. This employee is an African American female. One day, as I was discussing these issues with my supervisory team, I wanted to make a point -basically, "look, we know what she's doing, we know she's getting one over on us, and we know she's just a bad seed and we need to get her out of here." On the tip of my tongue was the phrase, "we need to call a spade a spade." I stopped myself because I knew that those words could be twisted and used against me somehow. That's sad. Similar to "letting the inmates run the asylum/prison, " it is a figure of speech that has ZERO racial undertones. Most know that I'm one of the more left-leaning users on this site and I do believe there is an enormous race issue in this country - specifically impacting African Americans. But come on ... this is complete bullshcit and an incredibly far, unnecessary, reach. Let these idiots walk and void their contracts for job abandonment, I say. This is a good post, but I think you might feel differently if you were a black male who grew up in the south, where black males have comprised a scandalously and disproportionately high percentage of the prison population and the wardens have been overwhelmingly white (not to mention the slave/plantation undertones of the comment). And of course the comment was made in a meeting held to discuss how to address the black players protests related to racial injustice. At any rate, its not really up to you to decide what comments by McNair (a huge contributor to the Trump campaign) should bother DeAndre Hawkins. McNair is an idiot.
Gugny Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 This is a good post, but I think you might feel differently if you were a black male who grew up in the south, where black males have comprised a scandalously and disproportionately high percentage of the prison population and the wardens have been overwhelmingly white (not to mention the slave/plantation undertones of the comment). And of course the comment was made in a meeting held to discuss how to address the black players protests related to racial injustice. At any rate, its not really up to you to decide what comments by McNair (a huge contributor to the Trump campaign) should bother DeAndre Hawkins. McNair is an idiot. I wasn't deciding. I was opining. And I think this is another case of a person looking for something to get pissed about, then putting out the rally cry. Knowing this would likely happy, I'll agree that McNair is an idiot for not choosing his words more carefully; but I think Hawkins is creating an issue out of a non-issue and it's not good for anyone. Just my opinion.
entropyrules Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Okay. So race is a hot button issue right now. Seems like folks are more comfortable lately voicing "controversial" opinions, and also folks are uber sensitive to such comments as well. I'm not trying to get all political here at all. I don't know if McNair is a racist or not. What I do know is that he made a not so smart comment at a really bad time. I don't think the saying "we can't have the inmates running the prison" is racist, necessarily. I have heard it used at work (in schools) referring to classroom/school discipline. I think the Texans have something good going. Houston has also been devastated by tragedy. I hope this doesn't ruin their season. The problem is not the saying itself (as you pointed out its pretty commonly used in a number of workplaces).... its the attitude that somehow if you own or run a company the employees are nothing more than chattel to do as you beckon....from a management perspective that's a horrible way to run a company (how many of you would like your bosses to treat you like a piece of furniture?) I've had several bosses like that and thank god I have a unique skill set and could move on ... on a side and maybe irrelevant note one of the bosses was black and a former NFL football player (marginal - Dallas Cowboy LB back when they had taxi squads which he was on)... he was a guy with some deep seated resentment issues toward highly technical, smart white guys - he himself was very smart but in a different way-HR guy so not swift in Physics, etc but he really could maneuver through the political landmines of a University environment...I don't resent his bias (only the wasting of two years of my life working for him) and actually feel sorry for how his prejudices caused him to create a toxic work environment for his employees Edited October 28, 2017 by entropyrules
boyst Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Gotta love how players are and their families are running to twitter. Why don't they contact the owner and management directly (if they already haven't) and keep it at that level, you know, professional? Lot of look at me types by the way this is unfolding. because they are look at me little dancing bitches. McNair plays the music. These guys dance to his beat or gtfo It's really that simple. Besides the terrible metaphor chosen for a social justice demonstration do you ever want your boss talking about you like that in public? Its flat disrespectfulI want my boss talking about it as much as my colleagues. People need to work at work, both sides should shut up and do what they're paid to do.
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Besides the terrible metaphor chosen for a social justice demonstration do you ever want your boss talking about you like that in public? Its flat disrespectful Was it in public or behind closed doors?
mannc Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Was it in public or behind closed doors?It was in a meeting with player representatives.
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 This is a good post, but I think you might feel differently if you were a black male who grew up in the south, where black males have comprised a scandalously and disproportionately high percentage of the prison population and the wardens have been overwhelmingly white (not to mention the slave/plantation undertones of the comment). And of course the comment was made in a meeting held to discuss how to address the black players protests related to racial injustice. At any rate, its not really up to you to decide what comments by McNair (a huge contributor to the Trump campaign) should bother DeAndre Hawkins. McNair is an idiot. Black males commit a scandalous and disproportionate amount of crime. You're making statements about a lack of equality in outcome and attributing a lack of equity, which in reality doesn't exist. As an example, New York City's "Stop and Frisk" program actually under sampled blacks based on crime data.
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 It was in a meeting with player representatives. So, behind closed doors.
boyst Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Black males commit a scandalous and disproportionate amount of crime. You're making statements about a lack of equality in outcome and attributing a lack of equity, which in reality doesn't exist. As an example, New York City's "Stop and Frisk" program actually under sampled blacks based on crime data. now this post will either A) be ignored because they know they cannot win with you B) argue with you and get their ass kicked. Eager to see the idiot who wants to try and argue you. It's not as easy to argue you because eyou actually argue while I just poke nests!
mannc Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 So, behind closed doors.But in no sense private or confidential now this post will either A) be ignored because they know they cannot win with you B) argue with you and get their ass kicked. Eager to see the idiot who wants to try and argue you. It's not as easy to argue you because eyou actually argue while I just poke nests! Yeah, hard to argue with genius-level Breitbart talking points like that.
JMF2006 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I thought they (Texans)might/should win that division . The Jags must be smiling with glee at them imploding. Can they recover from all this butt hurt
DC Tom Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 It's too bad he didn't say "We can't have the slaves running the plantation." That would have made the walkout more ironic.
JMF2006 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 It's too bad he didn't say "We can't have the slaves running the plantation." That would have made the walkout more ironic. If he said that he would have to sell the team,that would be way over the top
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