TakeYouToTasker Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) "People who don't think the same way I do are idiots." Exhibit A as to why we are the way we are today. Simply having an opinion does not mean it is meritorious. People who are wishing to ascribe racist intent to an easily recognized phrase (slightly mangled), that has colloquial meaning with no racist intent, are asking everyone else to disregard common understanding and to indulge their special pleading (a logical fallacy) need to make a compelling and fact based case, beyond their feelings, that this was racist. The reason we are the way we are today is because we indulge people who pull **** like this without scrutinizing their accusations. Edited October 27, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker
Lurker Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 This may not be about players but he's a doozy... How about this one: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2574163-book-excerpt-daniel-snyder-and-the-unreal-power-of-nfl-owners "The NFL owners are an interesting group. There are a handful of high-profile owners, but most stay in the background. Ownership meetings are among the most secretive aspects of professional football. Some owners (and management personnel, including general managers) are genuinely decent people who want the best for their players. Some other owners see their teams simply as ATM machines, and the players as interchangeable parts. They don't see the players as true partners. If they did, they would care more about them, and definitely not say what the owner of the Texans said to GQ magazine in early 2015. In the story, Texans owner Bob McNair was quoted as being dismissive of the NFL's concussion crisis, saying, unbelievably, that most head trauma of NFL players didn't happen in professional football."
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 1. It's a figure of speech, although technically I think it goes "inmates running the asylum" Correct. I suppose it's up to the individual to decide if he simply didn't know the phrase or deliberately used 'prison' for 'asylum', and all the possible whathaveyou that entails.
Foxx Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 The problem is ,referring to my employees, is that they had nobody to teach them how to fish, now they are in their 20's, 30's .... and don't know the basics of getting through life. And then they have kids, and they don't know how to teach them properly either. It's a cruel cycle. We've pulled aside some employees over the years and tried to 'teach them how to fish', but there are too many. And it's getting tougher on these people, not easier. i know it is cliche, but it has to start somewhere. it begins with one.
sodbuster Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 I'm not sure if it was racist, but it was certainly a ham-fisted use of the metaphor.
HappyDays Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 People who are wishing to ascribe racist intent to an easily recognized phrase (slightly mangled), that has colloquial meaning with no racist intent,. Be realistic for a minute. McNair was talking about black players doing a protest about black rights (right or wrong). He was at a meeting that was exclusively about this issue. He referred to the players as inmates and accidentally said prison instead of the correct phrase. You really think that race didnt play a factor in that situation? You have to reeeaaallllyyy stretch to think it was just an innocent mistake with no further implications. It doesnt mean McNair is evil, or a KKK member. But no player is going to be happy to hear that thats how their employer views them. I would be upset if my boss said that in private about me and my coworkers, and Im a white guy who works in an office. I dont agree with the players who walked out. To me that is pointless and overreacting. Then again a bunch of NFL fans supposedly are boycotting the league because some players kneeled during the national anthem before a game so Im wondering how much of an overreaction you think that is?
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Was that racist? Well of course it is. But I was just responding to Lurker's post about maybe saying non-PC things to his players before, so I googled "dumb things McNair Texans said" and the first one was titled "Texans Owner Bob McNair Says More Dumb Stuff" - so I read it, and sho nuff, then linked it. Edited October 27, 2017 by Kelly the Dog
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2017 Author Posted October 27, 2017 @aaronwilson_nfl Duane Brown: This is how you view us?: 'Youre an inmate. We cant let you get out of line. We cant let you speak for yourself.'
BringBackOrton Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Well of course it is. But I was just responding to Lurker's post about maybe saying non-PC things to his players before, so I googled "things McNair Texans said" and the first one was titled "Texans Owner Bob McNair Says More Dumb Stuff" - so I read it, and sho nuff, then linked it. You know it's a scientific fact that folks of Native American descent can't tolerate alcohol as well as Europeans, right?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 12 pages and running, and the truth is this: Football is a game that inspires passion. Grown men gather in large groups wearing the oversized shirts of other men, and if that isn't bad enough, they wear the other guy's name on their back. "Hey Brett---can I get an autog---WAIT A SECOND YOU'RE NOT BRETT FAVRE...you're guy who put the ice cream in the special bag at the Wegmans the other day". With that type of devotion and loyalty comes a price. The price to pay is that sometimes, people will surprise you and give a sh&t about what you say or do. Whether it's the second suspension for smoking weed, the domestic violence issue, or something as simple as some other team gave you more money than the prior one--people will turn on you. When you mix in something as important to some as loyalty to the country (perceived or not), it become a very volatile mix. A lot of the folks involved have forgotten the most important job for the nfl is to tend to the survival of the nfl. There's plenty of stupid sh&t being said and done by enough people (players and owners) to screw this all up, it's just a matter of whether or not they can calm the ship and move forward. McNair said something very dumb given the state of the nfl right now, and actions do have consequences.
HappyDays Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Correct. I suppose it's up to the individual to decide if he simply didn't know the phrase or deliberately used 'prison' for 'asylum', and all the possible whathaveyou that entails. Oh I dont think it was deliberate. Freudian slips happen all the time. His intention certainly wasnt to sound racist. Maybe the discussions were partly about racism in the justice system so black people in prison was on his mind and that slipped out. Some people on both sides are overreacting.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Simply having an opinion does not mean it is meritorious. People who are wishing to ascribe racist intent to an easily recognized phrase (slightly mangled), that has colloquial meaning with no racist intent, are asking everyone else to disregard common understanding and to indulge their special pleading (a logical fallacy) need to make a compelling and fact based case, beyond their feelings, that this was racist. The reason we are the way we are today is because we indulge people who pull **** like this without scrutinizing their accusations. The comment was an obvious indication of McNair's perception of the players as hired help who should shut up and do as they're told. A Freudian slip at worst. Are you saying that none of these people are receiving scrutiny? I beg to differ.
K D Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 i definitely see the players' view but i also feel like this day and age you say something and it can be totally taken the wrong way depending on who the audience is. you could say i was outside doing yardwork and i got my hands all dirty, look how black they are. and someone could say oh black means dirty to you? racist! everyone is so over the top sensitive that if i was in the NFL i wouldn't even want to talk to reporters. anything you say can be turned into a story
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 You know it's a scientific fact that folks of Native American descent can't tolerate alcohol as well as Europeans, right? It's also a fact that they are not physiologically more likely to start drinking to excess than Europeans, nor are the offspring of an alcoholic, but if they do indeed start drinking, then their tolerance is way less. That is the physiological difference. Which is why the numbers are so high. But there are millions who do not start drinking. So to just blanket statement that Indians don't hold their whiskey is a racist statement, just assuming something by the color of their skin.
NoSaint Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Okay. So race is a hot button issue right now. Seems like folks are more comfortable lately voicing "controversial" opinions, and also folks are uber sensitive to such comments as well. I'm not trying to get all political here at all. I don't know if McNair is a racist or not. What I do know is that he made a not so smart comment at a really bad time. I don't think the saying "we can't have the inmates running the prison" is racist, necessarily. I have heard it used at work (in schools) referring to classroom/school discipline. I think the Texans have something good going. Houston has also been devastated by tragedy. I hope this doesn't ruin their season. Its a term most people use without thinking twice. But when you are the white dude that runs a team with a lot of black dudes that feel unfairly targeted by police its pretty high on the list of dumb things to say. Frankly, as a boss talking about any employees in public its a pretty dumb thing to say.
Patrick Duffy Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Sounds like something Donald Trump would say. Anyways, they know what they signed up for. Edited October 27, 2017 by Patrick_Duffy
BringBackOrton Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) It's also a fact that they are not physiologically more likely to start drinking to excess than Europeans, nor are the offspring of an alcoholic, but if they do indeed start drinking, then their tolerance is way less. That is the physiological difference. Which is why the numbers are so high. But there are millions who do not start drinking. So to just blanket statement that Indians don't hold their whiskey is a racist statement, just assuming something by the color of their skin. No. ""We have identified two genes that protect against heavy drinking, and these are particularly prevalent among Asians," Li says. "We have shown that Native Americans, who have a high rate of alcoholism, do not have these protective genes. The one that is particularly effective is a mutation of the gene for the enzyme aldehyde dehydrogenase, which plays a major role in metabolizing alcohol. The mutation is found very frequently in Chinese and Japanese populations but is less common among other Asian groups, including Koreans, the Malayo-Polynesian group, and others native to the Pacific Rim. "We've also looked at Euro-Americans, Native Americans, and Eskimos, and they don't have that gene mutation," says Li. Thus, incidentally, the study of genetic mutations and alcoholism links native North-American populations to central Asian ancestors, not to those from China and Japan." http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html Facts aren't racist. They're just facts. Edited October 27, 2017 by jmc12290
Rico Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 I just turned on Sportcenter for some laughs, and Seth Wickersham (apparently writer of the artilcle) is on. (paraphrasing) "This was a big article. There were things that Jerry Jones said, things that Daniel Snyder said, things that Terry Pegula said, that were really tone-deaf, but everyone is focusing on the McNair quote". All I can day is Right on, Pegs!
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 No. ""We have identified two genes that protect against heavy drinking, and these are particularly prevalent among Asians," Li says. "We have shown that Native Americans, who have a high rate of alcoholism, do not have these protective genes. The one that is particularly effective is a mutation of the gene for the enzyme aldehyde dehydrogenase, which plays a major role in metabolizing alcohol. The mutation is found very frequently in Chinese and Japanese populations but is less common among other Asian groups, including Koreans, the Malayo-Polynesian group, and others native to the Pacific Rim. "We've also looked at Euro-Americans, Native Americans, and Eskimos, and they don't have that gene mutation," says Li. Thus, incidentally, the study of genetic mutations and alcoholism links native North-American populations to central Asian ancestors, not to those from China and Japan." http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html Facts aren't racist. They're just facts. I will bet you a dozen shots of whiskey that "the two mutated genes" that protect against heavy drinking you just referred to, are the same scientific concept that offspring of alcoholics have in their DNA, which makes them more susceptible to heavy drinking. I learn that in rehab, btw.
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