IDBillzFan Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 How long do you think other teams' quarterbacks have to throw? Who honestly gives a crap? The line is the line right now. It ain't changing very much. One of the dumbest things I hear NFL talking heads say is "If you give (fill in the name of an NFL quarterback) enough time, he'll pick you apart!" Hey, no schitt, Sherlock. If you're good enough to be an NFL quarterback, you SHOULD pick people apart if you have enough time. What I want to know is how many teams are successful when they get pressure like Taylor has been getting? You can almost set music to Aaron Rodgers when he moves around the pressure, but under the same pressure you see Tom Brady knocked on his ass, yelling because he got a boo-boo. How much time did Carr have yesterday? Did you see how bad some of his throws were? Now go back and watch the TD throw to Holmes and ask a better question: how many other teams's quarterbacks break from that pressure, flip, turn, roll out and throw a freaking bullseye toe-tap TD?
Wayne Arnold Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Standard: Making progressions at an average NFL starter level speed, little-to-no hesitancy in delivering a consistently accurate ball to receivers that are not necessarily wide open, and the ability to consistently win games when asked to throw for the average number of pass attempts per game (36 pass attempts in 2016). This was your standard and props for actually answering my question. Now to rebut: Russel Wilson - in 2015 he threw for 36+ attempts twice and went 0-2. Since 2015 when TT was named starter Russ is 8-5-1. Those were his 4th, 5th, and 6th years in the league. In his first 3 years he went 2-0. That is correct, in 48 games he threw for 36+ attempts twice and one was an ot game. In his first 4 seasons combined he went 2-2. Again I will repeat, TT's first 3 years are looking a lot like Wilson's first 3 years. Kirk Cousins - Since 2015 he has attempted 36+ passes 18 times. His record? 5-12-1. Might need to move him off of your list. Philip Rivers - I don't even want to waste my time with him. Suffice it to say no. The Chargers haven't won more than 9 games since 2009. Never mind I'll do the stats... 3-11 since the start of 2016. Deshaun Watson - promising start but your going to anoint a guy 6 starts in? Alex Smith? It took 6 years for the light to come on and even after it did TT has played as well as him. This is the one year Alex Smith has been ahead of TT. He's 5-4 over the last 2 seasons. Dak Prescott - 4-5 in games throwing more than 36 times including 1-3 this year. Might need to move him down. So now your list has 4 guys left. Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. I haven't looked at the numbers but I won't argue that they aren't the elite tier of qbs. Big Ben has a 5 int game this year though and Brees has 3 straight 7-9 seasons. Both of those guys struggle on the road as well. Your "standard" is unachievable save for the top 4 guys which is why I say people need to pay attention to the rest of the league. TT is playing very well. He outplayed Carr yesterday and I just realized even in your negativity and assuming you have TT at the bottom of your flawed list you still have him as your 21st best qb. I don't think anyone can put Eli, Mariota, or Andy Dalton above him and I would argue Cam and Jameis shouldn't be above him either. Thanks for the research, interesting stuff. And I have Tyrod 18th. But that's still in the bottom half of the league and not likely good enough to win the Super Bowl.
JM2009 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 Who honestly gives a crap? The line is the line right now. It ain't changing very much. One of the dumbest things I hear NFL talking heads say is "If you give (fill in the name of an NFL quarterback) enough time, he'll pick you apart!" Hey, no schitt, Sherlock. If you're good enough to be an NFL quarterback, you SHOULD pick people apart if you have enough time. What I want to know is how many teams are successful when they get pressure like Taylor has been getting? You can almost set music to Aaron Rodgers when he moves around the pressure, but under the same pressure you see Tom Brady knocked on his ass, yelling because he got a boo-boo. How much time did Carr have yesterday? Did you see how bad some of his throws were? Now go back and watch the TD throw to Holmes and ask a better question: how many other teams's quarterbacks break from that pressure, flip, turn, roll out and throw a freaking bullseye toe-tap TD? Like the CBS crew said yesterday-TT doesn't get enough respect.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Which QB had the better game yesterday? It's all about what works in the right system. ,,,,why the hell would you think the "W" means a damn bit of difference to him anyway?.....what EXACTLY is wrong with an aggressive, opportunistic defense, reassembled in ONE off season after the Train Wrecks dismantling, 166 yds on the ground yesterday (yup, let's get rid of Glenn), and TT puts up 166 yds passing, spreading the wealth to NINE guys, stays in the pocket, improvises as necessary, has improved using the middle of the field. etc?...sorry forgot the result was a "W"......pretty sure that's four in a row at home......ignorance is bliss.....good Lord............
Wayne Arnold Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Like the CBS crew said yesterday-TT doesn't get enough respect.
IDBillzFan Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Like the CBS crew said yesterday-TT doesn't get enough respect. I don't give a crap how much respect he gets. What bugs me is when some people just need to think they're smarter than everyone else to the extent that they pick nits to make a point. Look, I expect Taylor to make some mistakes. He had a couple of throws I know he'd like back from yesterday. He may well cost us a game in the future. But if you think you can predict whether he can get you to the SB based on numbers, you're embarrassing yourself. The Bears beat the Panthers 17-3, and Trubisky threw the ball SEVEN FREAKING TIMES. That tells me numbers don't mean crap because every single game is different. Every one. I'll never understand why people find the need to be miserable.
JM2009 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 ,,,,why the hell would you think the "W" means a damn bit of difference to him anyway?.....what EXACTLY is wrong with an aggressive, opportunistic defense, reassembled in ONE off season after the Train Wrecks dismantling, 166 yds on the ground yesterday (yup, let's get rid of Glenn), and TT puts up 166 yds passing, spreading the wealth to NINE guys, stays in the pocket, improvises as necessary, has improved using the middle of the field. etc?...sorry forgot the result was a "W"......pretty sure that's four in a row at home......ignorance is bliss.....good Lord............ You got it right with this post.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 He has the 8th highest sack % of current starters, and his sack % is lower than Rodgers and Bradford on the year. And despite that, he's 16th in sack yards lost per attempt and overall yards lost to sacks.Was Taylor sacked Sunday?
JM2009 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 I don't give a crap how much respect he gets. What bugs me is when some people just need to think they're smarter than everyone else to the extent that they pick nits to make a point. Look, I expect Taylor to make some mistakes. He had a couple of throws I know he'd like back from yesterday. He may well cost us a game in the future. But if you think you can predict whether he can get you to the SB based on numbers, you're embarrassing yourself. The Bears beat the Panthers 17-3, and Trubisky threw the ball SEVEN FREAKING TIMES. That tells me numbers don't mean crap because every single game is different. Every one. I'll never understand why people find the need to be miserable. With a defense that gets numerous turnovers, and a QB that doesn't turn the ball over, along with the rest of the offense, playoffs look more and more likely. TT is the right QB for this team right now.
aristocrat Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Tyrod has better number than dak Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
transplantbillsfan Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 BTW I've never claimed Taylor to be "gawd-awful". I just want the Bills to win the Super Bowl, so my expectations are perhaps higher than most folks. You claimed he was "gawd-awful" enough to make a bet that he'd be replaced by Nate friggin Peterman by the end of the year. But keep backtracking
grb Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Carr leads the NFL in getting the ball out in the least amount of time. He takes the snap, finds his man and immediately makes a decisive throw. Taylor, on the other hand, requires significantly more time to throw because of his limitations. Yep. Carr is far, far, far ahead of Taylor, due to TT's "limitations" Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth : Completion Percentage : Taylor - 63.8 Carr - 64.6 Yards per Attempt Taylor - 6.9 Carr - 6.9 Interception Percentage Taylor - 1.0 Carr - 2.5 Touchdown Percentage Taylor - 4.1 Carr - 5.0 Plus 20yd Pass Play % Taylor - 10.7 Carr - 8.3 Maybe a slight edge to Carr, though it's pretty close. And I'll grant Carr has more overall yards than Taylor : 158 total yards more this season, passing and rushing combined. Of course Carr has Crabtree, Cooper, Cook, and Cordarrelle - but I guess we're not supposed to mention that when talking about Taylor's "limitations". It's probably not the polite thing to do. Supposed we switched places and Taylor (with his "limitations") was throwing to Crabtree and Cooper - Carr was throwing to Holmes and Tate. I bet that would wipe away Carr's edge over Taylor (such that it is) in the blink of an eye. I'd bet the edge would swing clearly the other way. What do you think? (Oops : This is highly embarrassing, but I gave Carr credit for having 158 more total yards than Taylor before checking whether Oakland has had their bye. They haven't. Carr is averaging less yards per game than Taylor) Edited October 30, 2017 by grb
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 You got it right with this post. ...FINALLY got at least ONE right.............now I can die in peace..................
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 This is false. Watch the All-22. Tyrod pumpers can't make a case for him without disparaging his teammates. It's unfortunate. tyrod pumpers? what is somebody called that doesn't support the teams QB? tyrod thumpers?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Havent we discussed stats enough to see they dont frieking matter? 400 loses games and 165 loses games. tyrod pumpers? what is somebody called that doesn't support the teams QB? tyrod thumpers? Actually Savior Peterman.
DefenseWins Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 The truth is that this team is winning games it would normally lose because the defense is playing out of their minds great football and the injuries that are seemingly inevitable at some point haven't hit yet... And I am as happy as anybody for what some have called winning boring football games - for a change! Right now Micah Hyde is having a Pro Bowl - Defensive MVP - All Pro(?) season and the rest of the secondary have jelled unusually quickly. More quickly than most would have banked on, before the season began. I always liked Leslie Frazier as a Defensive Coordinator and kudos to Gil Byrd the Defensive Secondary Coach... Since this part of my original post hasn't seemingly been mentioned i thought I'd mention it a second time... Would we be winning these games with much less than the stellar performance of the defense we've seen thus far?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Havent we discussed stats enough to see they dont frieking matter? 400 loses games and 165 loses games. Actually Savior Peterman. ...they sure as hell do....how can you discount the prolific Dilfer's stat line in the Ravens' 2000 SB "W"?.....you seriously think 12/25 for 153 yds (OMG , less than TT) was NOT the key to their Lombardi?.....blasphemy....
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 ...they sure as hell do....how can you discount the prolific Dilfer's stat line in the Ravens' 2000 SB "W"?.....you seriously think 12/25 for 153 yds (OMG , less than TT) was NOT the key to their Lombardi?.....blasphemy.... ROTFLMAOPIP. Do you know how hard it is to intentionally pee in your pants? Walking Dead reference
xRUSHx Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) We need wins on the Road. Lets start racking them up and people will have less and less negative to say about Tyrod. Right on man,Last two games has me more positive on him but road games is what really worries me about Tyrod, many backups can do the 165 when at home with extra good field position to get a win so I'm not super excited about his play. One game at a time, keep winning and my negative goes away more more and more. He sure isn't no Montana out there but is playing well enough to squeeze the wins, thank goodness for STs and the D without there top play 165 would have us in ugly losses. Go Bills Edited October 30, 2017 by xRUSHx
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