Kirby Jackson Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Trade up and grab a QB, let Tyrod walk or if he does well enough maybe we can get a draft pick for him. We would have two young QBs and the money being paid to Tyrod can be used on other positions. I would love to see them grab Josh Rosen, maybe we won't have to trade up too far to get him. They will have to pick 1st IMO. How do you presume trading ahead of Cleveland and SF? They are taking QB. Getting Rosen is just not an option. Edited October 26, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
Coach Tuesday Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 This will all come into focus over the next month. Tons of Tyrod clutter on this board but in fact, the next 4-6 weeks will determine his career. If he can step up and propel the offense forward through what look to be some real shootouts against elite QBs, it will change the conversation. If he can't, they'll be looking hard for a new signal caller this offseason. Kirk Cousins is soooo flawed, though. I pity the franchise that shackles itself to him with a $100M contract. The only location that makes sense is S.F. where he knows the offense well already.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 Once more this friendly reminder http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/20978049/nfl-destination-kirk-cousins-ten-teams-washington-redskins-quarterback-play-2018-free-agent-market When this was first posted weeks ago these were supposedly 8 teams vying for Cousins. These same 8 teams are looking for a QB to draft as well. Likewise, four teams with aging quarterbacks -- the Steelers, Chargers, Saints and Giants -- could become more viable candidates as circumstances evolve. The top pick in '18 will not come cheap.
SoTier Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 Trade up and grab a QB, let Tyrod walk or if he does well enough maybe we can get a draft pick for him. We would have two young QBs and the money being paid to Tyrod can be used on other positions. I would love to see them grab Josh Rosen, maybe we won't have to trade up too far to get him. How do you know that there will be even 1 QB in the draft who's worth a first round pick or if the team that holds that pick would be interested in trading it??? A lot of the college QBs from the preseason have gotten tarnished by poor performances and some of the best performers are underclassmen. Advocating drafting a first round QB, especially trading up for one, when nobody even knows who's going to be available is stupid. Trading up to get a QB who's the consensus #1 or #2 pick is very iffy but trading up for any other QB is beyond stupid. Just because a team drafts a QB in the first round -- or worse, trades up for him -- doesn't guarantee that QB will be a success. The Bills have tried both methods when they knew who was available and failed both times. Because they traded up for Losman in 2004, they couldn't take Aaron Rodgers in 2005: they'd traded away their first round pick, #18, to get "their QB of the future". Rodgers lasted until GB took him at #24 or #25.
The Now Moment Posted October 26, 2017 Author Posted October 26, 2017 I think our problem has been that we throw our rookie QBs into the fire too early and don't give them a chance to learn the behind the scenes stuff first. Then, they can just let the game come to them. Have them get used to the NFL for a year and then say let's see what ya got. This is a unique opportunity for Buffalo to give a young QB as many weapons as they want with all the draft picks they have.
grb Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 Once more this friendly reminder http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/20978049/nfl-destination-kirk-cousins-ten-teams-washington-redskins-quarterback-play-2018-free-agent-market When this was first posted weeks ago these were supposedly 8 teams vying for Cousins. These same 8 teams are looking for a QB to draft as well. Likewise, four teams with aging quarterbacks -- the Steelers, Chargers, Saints and Giants -- could become more viable candidates as circumstances evolve. The top pick in '18 will not come cheap. The Ravens might look to draft a QB fairly high as well.
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 This will all come into focus over the next month. Tons of Tyrod clutter on this board but in fact, the next 4-6 weeks will determine his career. If he can step up and propel the offense forward through what look to be some real shootouts against elite QBs, it will change the conversation. If he can't, they'll be looking hard for a new signal caller this offseason. Kirk Cousins is soooo flawed, though. I pity the franchise that shackles itself to him with a $100M contract. The only location that makes sense is S.F. where he knows the offense well already. Agree and especially agree on Kirk. How do you know that there will be even 1 QB in the draft who's worth a first round pick or if the team that holds that pick would be interested in trading it??? A lot of the college QBs from the preseason have gotten tarnished by poor performances and some of the best performers are underclassmen. Advocating drafting a first round QB, especially trading up for one, when nobody even knows who's going to be available is stupid. Trading up to get a QB who's the consensus #1 or #2 pick is very iffy but trading up for any other QB is beyond stupid. Just because a team drafts a QB in the first round -- or worse, trades up for him -- doesn't guarantee that QB will be a success. The Bills have tried both methods when they knew who was available and failed both times. Because they traded up for Losman in 2004, they couldn't take Aaron Rodgers in 2005: they'd traded away their first round pick, #18, to get "their QB of the future". Rodgers lasted until GB took him at #24 or #25. But not taking shots in case you miss NEVER solves the issue. The Bills have had some chances to take shots that they have missed by not taking. They need to keep trying. I'm not a "in the 1st every year" guy but they need to take a QB higher every 2 or maximum 3 years until it is proven and established that they have their guy.
mannc Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 Trade up and grab a QB, let Tyrod walk or if he does well enough maybe we can get a draft pick for him. We would have two young QBs and the money being paid to Tyrod can be used on other positions. I would love to see them grab Josh Rosen, maybe we won't have to trade up too far to get him. My favorite part is where you say, if Tyrod plays really well, trade him and draft an unknown rookie. Why do you hate this player so much? Will the Crusade ever end?
Captain Murica Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 My favorite part is where you say, if Tyrod plays really well, trade him and draft an unknown rookie. Why do you hate this player so much? Will the Crusade ever end? I believe he was a huge EJ fan and thinks Tyrod stole any chance EJ had at being a starter in the NFL.
xRUSHx Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) My favorite part is where you say, if Tyrod plays really well, trade him and draft an unknown rookie. Why do you hate this player so much? Will the Crusade ever end? Well enough for Tyrod has proven to still not be good enough for a playoff run so well enough for him IMO is to hopefully get some kind of trade for him is what I was trying to say in my post, sorry I didn't post a full length paragraph explaining but yet here we are. I don't hate Tyrod I just want better, I want a legacy, a dynasty, a playoff QB to be proud enough to know he can win it for us not be in the wishful thinking of wishing for everyone else to do it. Tyrod had a good game last game I hope he can prove me incorrect and change my feeling on him, I have one leg on his wagon now the most I have had since late last season and this is a long season. My question is will he change my mind about him because you sure dont. I believe he was a huge EJ fan and thinks Tyrod stole any chance EJ had at being a starter in the NFL.I supported EJ just like I supported Tyrod and Fitz and any other Bills QB, the EJ garbage type posts that come out of the same few shows their crusade to gang post nonsense to discredit posters that have a different opinion, please don't be one of them. I still support Tyrod to a degree it's just I want a stud at QB that can go above the QB play we have had over the last decade. I don't believe Tyrod will ever be that QB he is average Joe and until he proves me incorrect my feeling won't change. This thread is talking about drafting a QB and I posted ONE comment what my opinion was but now in a few posts I get put down and called a big EJ guy while acting like I'm mad at Tyrod because EJ was pushed out, nothing but made up nonsence. SMH Once again I don't hate Tyrod and I wish him luck proving us incorrect and winning back many fans like myself, until then I will look forward to next years QB class while wishing Tyrod to be that QB I wish the Bills had. Everyone is entitled to post a opinion without being labeled, this group's crusade needs to be toned down, I did not start the thread I posted one comment on it. Edited October 26, 2017 by xRUSHx
Iraq Vet Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 Lets just finish this "tanking" season (LOL) 1st... then discuss off season stuff. I am thrown off this year... are we actually decent and should we just draft to fill holes and make a run next year? or draft to get a great QB, WR, RB combo for a serious LONG term deep team? Sometimes I think TT is just good enough... get younger and faster on the D-line, find WR's and CB and make a run.... Other times I think, we need to get ready to replace some age on the roster, get a great WR and a genuine QB and build slowly. Doing the short term run for the SB rarely works. Building a solid deep foundation takes time. It all depends on the record at the end of the year.......
xRUSHx Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 Lets just finish this "tanking" season (LOL) 1st... then discuss off season stuff. I am thrown off this year... are we actually decent and should we just draft to fill holes and make a run next year? or draft to get a great QB, WR, RB combo for a serious LONG term deep team? Sometimes I think TT is just good enough... get younger and faster on the D-line, find WR's and CB and make a run.... Other times I think, we need to get ready to replace some age on the roster, get a great WR and a genuine QB and build slowly. Doing the short term run for the SB rarely works. Building a solid deep foundation takes time. It all depends on the record at the end of the year....... Very good post man, I agree its way to early to be talking draft especially with the Bills playing very well. Go Bills
mannc Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 I still support Tyrod With support like that, who needs detractors?
John from Riverside Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 I think the important thing is to keep the whole thing a little grounded in reality. - This team is 4-2......the chiefs are killing it....there is a strong chance that those 2 first round picks could be in the latter part of the draft. There are a LOT of teams this year that will be looking for quarterbacks. I actually am not against drafting high or even trading some picks to move up a bit. The fact of the matter is this team DOES have other needs which could be filled WITHOUT moving up. - Tyrod has a winning record as a starter...he is doing it this year with injuries....lack of talent on offense.....a running game that is not dominant like it was last year and that is WITH going against top defenses at the beginning of the season. I still need to see more consistancy from him before I think he shoud be the guy going forward but it is not the worst option in the world especially if we can get our deep threat passing game going again. The ball is in Tyrod's court here. - I know people ar mixed on Peterman.....I actually like the kid especially for this offense....he is accurate....he throws into tight windows...he has much better mobility then anyone gave him credit for.....and he is a rookie which means he is only going to improve. An excellent use of a 5th round pick. We need to see how this season plays out.....I really think if we make the playoffs Tyrod is not going anywhere but they still might draft a guy.
Foxx Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 This will all come into focus over the next month. Tons of Tyrod clutter on this board but in fact, the next 4-6 weeks will determine his career. If he can step up and propel the offense forward through what look to be some real shootouts against elite QBs, it will change the conversation. If he can't, they'll be looking hard for a new signal caller this offseason. Kirk Cousins is soooo flawed, though. I pity the franchise that shackles itself to him with a $100M contract. The only location that makes sense is S.F. where he knows the offense well already. +1, I agree completely. how Tyrod plays this next month, month and a half should determine where he stands as a starter. there is a chance however that his game is still middeling and if that is the case i think you have to move on, regardless. enough of this 7-9, 8-8 territory we have become accustomed to.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 The Ravens might look to draft a QB fairly high as well. I just read where Flacco is having the worst season of his career http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/40012/joe-flaccos-fall-from-super-bowl-mvp-to-31st-ranked-passer-hits-national-stage that's what a tally of 13 teams. Nearly half the league.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 I just read where Flacco is having the worst season of his career http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/40012/joe-flaccos-fall-from-super-bowl-mvp-to-31st-ranked-passer-hits-national-stage He's my 30th starter right now, ahead of only Kizer and Trubisky. Rough year indeed. Think maybe Maclin has any regrets?
Foxx Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 I just read where Flacco is having the worst season of his career http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/40012/joe-flaccos-fall-from-super-bowl-mvp-to-31st-ranked-passer-hits-national-stage do you think Baltimore would trade for Tyrod? lol.
JPP Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 They will have to pick 1st IMO. How do you presume trading ahead of Cleveland and SF? They are taking QB. Getting Rosen is just not an option. Dont forget to add the NYGiants in that equation......how long can they rely on Eli....his career is almost @ the end and no successor behind him yet.....
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 I think the important thing is to keep the whole thing a little grounded in reality. - This team is 4-2......the chiefs are killing it....there is a strong chance that those 2 first round picks could be in the latter part of the draft. There are a LOT of teams this year that will be looking for quarterbacks. I actually am not against drafting high or even trading some picks to move up a bit. The fact of the matter is this team DOES have other needs which could be filled WITHOUT moving up. - Tyrod has a winning record as a starter...he is doing it this year with injuries....lack of talent on offense.....a running game that is not dominant like it was last year and that is WITH going against top defenses at the beginning of the season. I still need to see more consistancy from him before I think he shoud be the guy going forward but it is not the worst option in the world especially if we can get our deep threat passing game going again. The ball is in Tyrod's court here. - I know people ar mixed on Peterman.....I actually like the kid especially for this offense....he is accurate....he throws into tight windows...he has much better mobility then anyone gave him credit for.....and he is a rookie which means he is only going to improve. An excellent use of a 5th round pick. We need to see how this season plays out.....I really think if we make the playoffs Tyrod is not going anywhere but they still might draft a guy. For goodness sake John Cut it out with the logical posts (that's sarcasm folks) He's my 30th starter right now, ahead of only Kizer and Trubisky. Rough year indeed. Think maybe Maclin has any regrets? Christ and we need the Ravens to Win tonight. It is cold and chilly now in the DC area. 45 degrees expected around 10PM. do you think Baltimore would trade for Tyrod? lol. wow... They might if they loved him that much when he was there.
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