B-Man Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 REMINDER: Tomorrow is the anniversary of the single greatest tweet in the history of Twitter. Do you remember it? Hillary ClintonVerified account @HillaryClintonFollowFollow @HillaryClinton More Happy birthday to this future president. 6:03 AM - 26 Oct 2016 ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) The fix was in - in the media, in the DNC primary system, and in the polls. It just didn't work. And that failure is allowing all the dirt to finally be exposed. Yeah but aren't you the one that told us that it would work, no matter what? You know you are. You said Hillary was inevitable because it was rigged. But that's not what I'm referring. I'm referring to the only conclusion there's actual evidence for: Elements within the USIC attempted a slow moving coup against an incoming administration in an effort to preserve their perma-war/regime change foreign policy agendas. In doing so, the USIC has waged a non stop information warfare campaign against US citizens, deploying their cutouts in the MSM and on the Hill to do so. This is the only conclusion which has actual evidence behind it that isn't couched in speculation, unnamed sources and unnamed methods. This is a grave threat to our democratic republic that impacts all political ideologies. It should be a unifying realization - the game is rigged, not for one party over the other, but rigged against the will of the people. The people loudly and clearly voted to end regime change and perma war in the 2016 election, but Directors Clapper and Brennan and their flunkies within the deep state don't believe the people should have any say when it comes to their budgets and agendas. I don't think you can hang this 100% on Obama-era flunkies, as attractive as that is. No. I think this goes all the way back to Reagan kicking ass/firing people at the failing institutions, all of them. Ever since that era, the institutions have done their level best to regain their autonomy, budget demands, and eventually got all the way back when they captured the Bush Administration(some of whom helped that along). Obama resisted capture by doing nothing, and eventually refused to even talk to them, which only allowed them more power. Obama was forced into a "red line in Syria" by the USIC, but then he just fecklessly ignored it. There is a time and a place for military responses. I agree that time is not everything/everywhere. But Trump destroying an airport to block chemical attacks is proportionate, low-risk, and relatively cheap. You ignore this all because "your side" - which is now comprised of neocon propaganda specialists whom the left reviled rightfully so for the past decade for pushing us into 17 years of endless war - says Putin is the true threat to American democracy... because he paid for fake news stories (most of which came out after the election) that ignorant Americans were too lazy to verify? I was never ignorant to what the word Neo-Con meant. If you recall, during the Bush years I repeatedly demanded that those using it as a pejorative define it, which they rarely could. Initially, I looked at Neo-Con views and methods with an open mind, largely because they had never been tried. Now? It's pretty clear that they suck. It's also pretty clear that the smart Neo-Cons, like Bill Krystal, knew from Day 1 that Trump was going to severely limit their influence. They try to make Trump into an "aberration", blah, blah, when he is merely the people's rejection of Neo-Conservatism...and socialism, environtology, 3rd wave feminism, identity politics, regulation as government jobs creator, 2nd amendment violators, cyclical Wall Street greed/malfeasance/bailouts, etc. Is that truly the bigger threat than the USIC circumventing the constitution, running a propaganda campaign designed to mislead American citizens, and launching what is in effect a coup against a legally elected US president? Of course it's not. The solution to Russian fake news which is being pushed by Warner and the left is effectively state sponsored censorship. That's what you're fighting for. That's the side you're on now. Not the side who is trying to free ourselves from the jackboot of a deep state that has done more to destabilize the world and spread death and terror than any other nation state. You're fighting for fascist solutions to problems that have existed for centuries. You're being had. Or you would have been had if you ever tried thinking critically or independently. If you're speaking to Never Trumpers, you're exactly right. If however you're speaking to Trump supporters, you could not be more wrong. I don't know if you've noticed, but Trump has shown repeatedly that he is never going to put "side" over what he thinks is best for the country, unless he has to compromise to get something done, but if and only if he gets the better deal. His supporters heard that, liked it because they believed it, and now they are seeing it...which is exactly why Trump support through this time has gone up slightly, but never truly down. Put it this way: It is now a matter of fact that Trump has been screwed over, massively and repeatedly by the USIC. Do you really think he's gonna let that slide, when he doesn't even allow a single negative tweet to slide? Think critically upon that, and have a little patience. We are just now seeing the end of the USICs/Swamp politician's assault on Trump. The result? Trump is still standing and Corker and Flake are out, soon to by followed by more. Wait for Trump's counter-attack. It's coming, I assure you. Edited October 25, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 The fix was in - in the media, in the DNC primary system, and in the polls. It just didn't work. And that failure is allowing all the dirt to finally be exposed. But that's not what I'm referring. I'm referring to the only conclusion there's actual evidence for: Yes, if you stick your head in the ground, you are right. I have listed all the evidence before but you just ignore it. And I have even agreed with you that there might just have been seriously bad things done that are not by law crimes. But to say this dossier which had other things we all figures could never be proved anyway, even if they are true--and some are--was not the "cause bella" of the investigation. It's silly to move this thing front and center just because it was funded in part by Clinton. Clinton had no role, for instance, in Trump hiring Manafort, the Kremlin puppet, as his campaign chair. That happened and so did many, many other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Yes, if you stick your head in the ground, you are right. I have listed all the evidence before but you just ignore it. And I have even agreed with you that there might just have been seriously bad things done that are not by law crimes. But to say this dossier which had other things we all figures could never be proved anyway, even if they are true--and some are--was not the "cause bella" of the investigation. It's silly to move this thing front and center just because it was funded in part by Clinton. Clinton had no role, for instance, in Trump hiring Manafort, the Kremlin puppet, as his campaign chair. That happened and so did many, many other things. I know it hasn't even been 24 hours, and you have a hard time accepting reality/facts you don't like...but I am telling you now: you want ALL this investigation to end. There is nothing at the end of this rainbow for you but suffering, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. As I said above: never think that Trump isn't going to retaliate, righteously, and in a big way. Never think that he will allow anyone to get in the way of that, including firing everybody at Justice, even his own AG. What a coincidence that Mueller started investigating Tony Podesta, DEMOCRAT lobbyist, just a day before my link comes out. Amazing. So now Mueller hasn't just failed to find anything on Trump, and thus should have shut things down. NOW?, he's going outside his scope investigating people that had noting to do with Trump, or his campaign. Why? It walks like a duck: he's already playing CYA, and looking for a scapegoat to pin things on, because the alternative is pinning things on Hillary, Lynch, Obama, and especially his buddy Comey. Why Tony Podesta? Why not John his brother, and Hillary's campaign manager/D machine guy? Could it be that they've all agreed on a fall guy/patsy? Could Tony's $ for being the fall guy already be in the Caymans after he does a pre-determined 2 year stretch in low-security prison? (EDIT: Hey, we've endured a full year of unsubstantiated innuendo and rumor-mongering from you, now it's your turn. Fair is fair.) I don't know why this is happening for sure, but I do know: it is happening, and it's one hell of a coincidence. Edited October 25, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 The fix was in - in the media, in the DNC primary system, and in the polls. It just didn't work. And that failure is allowing all the dirt to finally be exposed. But that's not what I'm referring. I'm referring to the only conclusion there's actual evidence for: Elements within the USIC attempted a slow moving coup against an incoming administration in an effort to preserve their perma-war/regime change foreign policy agendas. In doing so, the USIC has waged a non stop information warfare campaign against US citizens, deploying their cutouts in the MSM and on the Hill to do so. This is the only conclusion which has actual evidence behind it that isn't couched in speculation, unnamed sources and unnamed methods. This is a grave threat to our democratic republic that impacts all political ideologies. It should be a unifying realization - the game is rigged, not for one party over the other, but rigged against the will of the people. The people loudly and clearly voted to end regime change and perma war in the 2016 election, but Directors Clapper and Brennan and their flunkies within the deep state don't believe the people should have any say when it comes to their budgets and agendas. You ignore this all because "your side" - which is now comprised of neocon propaganda specialists whom the left reviled rightfully so for the past decade for pushing us into 17 years of endless war - says Putin is the true threat to American democracy... because he paid for fake news stories (most of which came out after the election) that ignorant Americans were too lazy to verify? Is that truly the bigger threat than the USIC circumventing the constitution, running a propaganda campaign designed to mislead American citizens, and launching what is in effect a coup against a legally elected US president? Of course it's not. The solution to Russian fake news which is being pushed by Warner and the left is effectively state sponsored censorship. That's what you're fighting for. That's the side you're on now. Not the side who is trying to free ourselves from the jackboot of a deep state that has done more to destabilize the world and spread death and terror than any other nation state. You're fighting for fascist solutions to problems that have existed for centuries. You're being had. Or you would have been had if you ever tried thinking critically or independently. That sounds similar to the conspiracy theory that the CIA took out Kennedy to maintain tensions with the Soviet Union and Cuba as well as withdrawing troops from Vietnam. I need more information to come out before I come to that conclusion. It's accurate to say that the RNC and DNC worked extremely hard to prevent Trump (failed) and Sanders (succeeded) from getting the nomination. This is the question I have for you as this seems to be a passion of yours: Did Russia try to interfere in our election and if so is it to the degree being reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Great to meet you Sir Edmund Hillary, I was named after you!!!! (big phony grimace on her face) SEH: what year were you born.... oh, I climbed Everest 5 years after that, I was a beekeeper the year you were born. She stands there hoping nobody saw this happen so she can still use this lie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Trying to find dirt on a opposing candidate is SOP in politics , is this a different case ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Trying to find dirt on a opposing candidate is SOP in politics , is this a different case ? only because the info was splashed all over the media for 2 weeks against Trump oh, never mind, you can drive a car off a bridge in a drunken stupor and someone drowns in it and if you are a DEM then nothing will happen ever to you, until God's judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) only because the info was splashed all over the media for 2 weeks against Trump oh, never mind, you can drive a car off a bridge in a drunken stupor and someone drowns in it and if you are a DEM then nothing will happen ever to you, until God's judgment. Politics is a very dirty game to say the least, plus media bias. I'm sad at both parties , hence being a Independent. Edited October 25, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Politics is a very dirty game to say the least. I'm sad at both parties , hence being a Independent. The Dems claim 100% purity and righteousness on everything they do, and the amen corner of CNN and the major networks chime in with this message nonstop as well who blinked at CNN and CBS and the usual drive-by media to stop the complete collusion and whitewash of this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Remember how Trump claimed the meeting at Trump towers with the Russians was opposition research? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 The Dems claim 100% purity and righteousness on everything they do, and the amen corner of CNN and the major networks chime in with this message nonstop as well who blinked at CNN and CBS and the usual drive-by media to stop the complete collusion and whitewash of this situation? I detest partisan politics . I want to see Statesmen do what is right for the entire country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Trying to find dirt on a opposing candidate is SOP in politics , is this a different case ? When the FBI: 1. pays for opposition research in a POTUS election, under any circumstance(what, do you want to live in a banana republic?) 2. then uses it as a base of its investigation 3. realizes they've been duped, but not before they leak it to the media 4. then covers up their involvement, as per instructed by Justice(?) or its Director(?)...somebody made that call 5. then knowingly allows a major party to base false allegations on it, and be complicit in a bald faced lies told to the American people 6. gets scared because what they paid for is now publicly debunked 7. then tries to play CYA by briefing both Trump and Obama about it 8. then refuses to answer any questions about it in sworn Congressional testimony when they knew literally the whole story, from birth to abortion ??? Yeah, just a slightly different case. Either you are an unmitigated moron, Bambi-level naive, or you know damn well this is a different case but you don't want to face its facts. Edited October 25, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Libs never think they are wrong, even when placed in the electric chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Trying to find dirt on a opposing candidate is SOP in politics , is this a different case ? When it's amalgamated into a wasteful hundred-million-dollar investigation into THE WRONG PERSON, yes, I'd say it's a different case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 When the FBI: 1. pays for opposition research in a POTUS election, under any circumstance(what, do you want to live in a banana republic?) 2. then uses it as a base of its investigation 3. realizes they've been duped, but not before they leak it to the media 4. then covers up their involvement, as per instructed by Justice(?) or its Director(?)...somebody made that call 5. then knowingly allows a major party to base false allegations on it, and be complicit in a bald faced lies told to the American people 6. gets scared because what they paid for is now publicly debunked 7. then tries to play CYA by briefing both Trump and Obama about it 8. then refuses to answer any questions about it in in sworn Congressional testimony when they knew literally the whole story, from birth to abortion ??? Yeah, just a slightly different case. Either you are an unmitigated moron, Bambi-level naive, or you know damn well this is a different case but you don't want to face its facts. Like I said I don't agree with D or R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Yes, if you stick your head in the ground, you are right. I have listed all the evidence before but you just ignore it. And I have even agreed with you that there might just have been seriously bad things done that are not by law crimes. But to say this dossier which had other things we all figures could never be proved anyway, even if they are true--and some are--was not the "cause bella" of the investigation. It's silly to move this thing front and center just because it was funded in part by Clinton. Clinton had no role, for instance, in Trump hiring Manafort, the Kremlin puppet, as his campaign chair. That happened and so did many, many other things. Which all CAME FROM THE DOSSIER IN QUESTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 If i was Tibs I'd take a little sabbatical from goosestep defense of everything by the Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 Like I said I don't agree with D or R But you are capable of reading comprehension and understanding facts, especially when I've so clearly laid them out for you in my previous post, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 When the FBI: 1. pays for opposition research in a POTUS election, under any circumstance(what, do you want to live in a banana republic?) 2. then uses it as a base of its investigation 3. realizes they've been duped, but not before they leak it to the media 4. then covers up their involvement, as per instructed by Justice(?) or its Director(?)...somebody made that call 5. then knowingly allows a major party to base false allegations on it, and be complicit in a bald faced lies told to the American people 6. gets scared because what they paid for is now publicly debunked 7. then tries to play CYA by briefing both Trump and Obama about it 8. then refuses to answer any questions about it in sworn Congressional testimony when they knew literally the whole story, from birth to abortion ??? Yeah, just a slightly different case. Either you are an unmitigated moron, Bambi-level naive, or you know damn well this is a different case but you don't want to face its facts. Everything you just typed is speculative. You may be right but don't present it as fact. There's no evidence the FBI financed the Steele dossier. There's also no evidence that the Steele dossier prompted the Trump - Russia investigation. If there is, let me know. Page and Manafort were on the FBI's radar long before this dossier was conducted. Since some of what's on the dossier has been proven correct, I'm assuming Mueller interviewed Steele and judged for himself what was credible and what wasn't. You may turn out to be correct, but you're jumping the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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