26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2017 Author Posted October 26, 2017 @viccarucci In our latest BNblitz Podcast, @JaySkurski & I preview #Bills-#Raiders. Get it here http://apple.co/2yP7KvR or here https://s3.amazonaws.com/bncore/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1026171.mp3 (49:00) In the latest BNblitz Podcast, Vic Carucci and Jay Skurski preview one of the biggest Buffalo Bills game in a long time, Sunday's showdown against the Oakland Raiders at New Era Field. Here's a breakdown of the topics they covered and where to find them: 00:00-11:40 - Big opportunity for the Bills to not only improve to 5-2, but take a significant step toward helping their chances of breaking the playoff drought. 11:40-19:42 - How will the secondary overcome injuries to safety Jordan Poyer and cornerback E.J. Gaines. 19:42-23:15 - Is the running game truly back? http://buffalonews.com/2017/10/26/bnblitz-podcast-vic-jay-preview-bills-big-game-vs-raiders/
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2017 Author Posted October 26, 2017 Coach Norton Discusses Matchup With Buffalo (10:38)Raiders Defensive Coordinator Ken Norton, Jr. addresses the media as the Raiders prepare for the Buffalo Bills. Coach Downing: "We Need To Protect The Ball" (5:13)Raiders Offensive Coordinator Todd Downing addresses the media as the Raiders prepare for the Buffalo Bills.
Dorkington Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 @bburkeESPN Biggest games in overall league leverage are HOU-SEA, OAK-BUF, CAR-TB, and DAL-WAS this week. 12:53 PM - 25 Oct 2017 Well, we know what this means...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2017 Author Posted October 26, 2017 Well, we know what this means... I have no idea what you're talking about? (BBFS) Go Bills!!!
Foxx Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) This is a nonsense argument. How do you know we didn't lose because we failed to score on several of our possessions that started after a punt or a kickoff? Are touchdowns scored after a takeaway worth more than touchdowns scored after the other team has punted the ball to you? you may consider it nonsense and that is fine because it fits your apparent preconceived notions. do you consider it coincedence that most of the teams that are at or near the top of the league in turnovers are often among the league leaders in wins/losses? why are turnovers considered to be an important part of the game? if you can answer those two questions honestly, you will discover that the argument is not as nonsensical as your preconceived notions make it out to be. Edited October 26, 2017 by Foxx
mannc Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 you may consider it nonsense and that is fine because it fits your apparent preconceived notions. do you consider it coincedence that most of the teams that are at or near the top of the league in turnovers are often among the league leaders in wins/losses? why are turnovers considered to be an important part of the game? if you can answer those two questions honestly, you will discover that the argument is not as nonsensical as your preconceived notions make it out to be. I think you're getting confused. At no point did I say that turnovers aren't important. In fact, they are highly correlated with wins. My one and only argument in this thread is that points off turnovers aren't any more important that any other kind of points. That seems like an obvious point, but apparently, folks have a hard time grasping it. Saying the Bills lost to the Bengals because they only scored once after getting a turnover, is like saying they lost because they only scored one passing touchdown. I guess technically it's true, but it's absolutely meaningless. The Bills also would have won if they had scored a touchdown on any of their drives that ended in punts or turnovers.
Foxx Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) I think you're getting confused. At no point did I say that turnovers aren't important. In fact, they are highly correlated with wins. My one and only argument in this thread is that points off turnovers aren't any more important that any other kind of points. That seems like an obvious point, but apparently, folks have a hard time grasping it. Saying the Bills lost to the Bengals because they only scored once after getting a turnover, is like saying they lost because they only scored one passing touchdown. I guess technically it's true, but it's absolutely meaningless. The Bills also would have won if they had scored a touchdown on any of their drives that ended in punts or turnovers. your contention regarding scoring on other drives is well taken. however, i am not confused. one reason why turnovers are considered so important is because they are another opportunity to score. there are other reasons why they are important as well, such as depriving the other team an opportunity to score amongst them. the points off turnovers is pretty important though and one reason why it is kept track of. Edited October 26, 2017 by Foxx
mikemac2001 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 @MrJeffHunter1 minute ago More The #Bills are among the worst teams in the NFL at turning their turnovers into points https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/10/26/16552372/buffalo-bills-converting-turnovers-into-points-interceptions-fumbles-scoring-offense?utm_campaign=mrjeffhunter&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Bengals game (no weapons) Bucs game (screwed up kicks and time) Other then that we were solid
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 your contention regarding scoring on other drives is well taken. however, i am not confused. one reason why turnovers are considered so important is because they are another opportunity to score. there are other reasons as well, such as depriving the other team an opportunity to score amongst them. the points off turnovers is pretty important though and one reason why it is kept track of.There are a lot of intangibles. Turnovers are a big momentum swing. A score after a turnover can increase that a lot. Also a lot of turnovers give the offense good to great field position. An inability to score somewhat negates the turnover. The scores themselves aren't different as any other. But I can see why people think it's important. Just the amount of times teams go for a big play immediately following one shows that.
Foxx Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 There are a lot of intangibles. Turnovers are a big momentum swing. A score after a turnover can increase that a lot. Also a lot of turnovers give the offense good to great field position. An inability to score somewhat negates the turnover. The scores themselves aren't different as any other. But I can see why people think it's important. Just the amount of times teams go for a big play immediately following one shows that. an inability to take advantage of a turnover by scoring, can be just as big a momentum swing the other way too. like you said, intangibles.
3rdand12 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 It feels like there is a little something different yeah, but I've also told myself that before in season's past. I'm just not ready to quite drink the kool aid yet. A little too early for me. But can tell a big difference in discipline and the way they are getting coached up this time around. I'm going to need to see a little more before i partake in the kool aid as of right now though. as well we all should. But pessimism should be trending downward all three please correct answer. your contention regarding scoring on other drives is well taken. however, i am not confused. one reason why turnovers are considered so important is because they are another opportunity to score. there are other reasons why they are important as well, such as depriving the other team an opportunity to score amongst them. the points off turnovers is pretty important though and one reason why it is kept track of. i am a simple minded one. turnovers are drive stoppers. anything on top of that would be cherries. pressures are as good as sacks when they cause turnovers. now, manipulating turnovers in to point is a whole 'nother matter Lucy. And that really comes back to offense and momentum. they might be tied statistically to define success rates. but to expect that is pretty lofty. and Bills love TOP anyways
YattaOkasan Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Part of the reason why TOs are correlated with wins is likely the resulting field position. We have struggled using that field position at times this year. I think it's a fair criticism.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Bengals game (no weapons) Bucs game (screwed up kicks and time) Other then that we were solid It almost cost the Bills the Denver game. Thank you Mr Miller.
3rdand12 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Bengals game (no weapons) Bucs game (screwed up kicks and time) Other then that we were solid you were quite aware that Bucs have some of the best Offensive weapons going. and never blame injuries for our wins.
Domdab99 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 If it's "intangible," then, by definition, it does not belong in the discussion.
3rdand12 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Part of the reason why TOs are correlated with wins is likely the resulting field position. We have struggled using that field position at times this year. I think it's a fair criticism. This is a reasonable point. I am not sure Bills have not used field position strategically as well as they could have. it is a fair statement. Bills Offense has obviously struggled all season. in my eye at least. improve the offense ? you might improve the ratio of TOs to scores. Bills have yet to find their proper footing, whether play calling or players dressed. I don't worry over such personally Y O
Domdab99 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Game Day Experience Information: Week 8 Abbott Road Closing: 8:00 a.m. Gates Open: 11:30 a.m. Pregame: Hometown Heroes Ceremony, honoring local first responders Player Warm-Ups: 11:55 a.m. Stampede Performance: 12:45 p.m. Leader of the Charge: Paul Maguire – Bills Alumnus National Anthem Singer: Amaris Bullock – Christian/gospel artist Kickoff: 1:00 p.m. Halftime Ceremony: Cookie Gilchrist Wall of Fame Induction Ceremony Paul Maguire is still alive??
3rdand12 Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 an inability to take advantage of a turnover by scoring, can be just as big a momentum swing the other way too. like you said, intangibles. depends on where the other Offense take over. if you are within your home (30) yards and get the turnover you just saved a field goal attempt. and if you can pin pin them inside the ten with a punt after turnover.... etc etc
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Author Posted October 27, 2017 Paul Maguire is still alive?? Alive and well it would seem. PAUL MAGUIRE: "COOKIE WALKED ON THE FIELD, THAT PLACE LIT UP (15:32) Paul Maguire joined us to talk about his former teammate, RB Cookie Gilchrist being honored on the Bill Wall of Fame this Sunday.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Author Posted October 27, 2017 Raiders Coordinators Look Ahead To Buffalo Check out what Oakland Raiders Offensive Coordinator Todd Downing and Defensive Coordinator Ken Norton, Jr., had to say during their media availability Thursday. Elijah Hood: "It's Time To Show What You've Been Practicing" Promoted to the active roster earlier this week, Elijah Hood is looking to make the most of his opportunity against the Bills.
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