rafter Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 1) Competition for viewers. Everyone is cordcutting and can watch whatever program they want at anytime. Most people have a backlog due to there being more content out there than time to view it. The NFL is no longer a specialty on Monday nights because of this. 2) The NFL also needs to do a better job accommodating cord cutters. Many people just get internet and Netflix and call it a day. They need to a better job addressing this. 3) Oversaturation(thursday games) 4) Milking their customers. If I'm going to go out of my way to buy Sunday ticket do I really need to pay more for freaking preseason games? Also, registered season ticket holders should get Sunday ticket for free for away games.
Mat68 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Its a combination of factors. The overall viewership dip is most likely correlated to overall decrease in cable and satellite ownership. Now add in sloppy play on Thursday nights, and ugly matchups on Monday and their is a bit of a problem. When it comes to protesting and kneel i think there is also an effect. Those that are effected by people boycotting are those team with poor records. My father life long Browns fan and Vietnam veteran hasnt watch a game this year besides the game I took him to and another weekend I visited. Its enough of an issue where the NFL is in a bit of a panic over it.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 1) Competition for viewers. Everyone is cordcutting and can watch whatever program they want at anytime. Most people have a backlog due to there being more content out there than time to view it. The NFL is no longer a specialty on Monday nights because of this. 2) The NFL also needs to do a better job accommodating cord cutters. Many people just get internet and Netflix and call it a day. They need to a better job addressing this. 3) Oversaturation(thursday games) 4) Milking their customers. If I'm going to go out of my way to buy Sunday ticket do I really need to pay more for freaking preseason games? Also, registered season ticket holders should get Sunday ticket for free for away games. That's the big one. Problem is they can't do anything about it, contracts are signed. Technically its not a real problem for the NFL because they are making more money then ever.
The Big Cat Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Anthem protests...? Are you guys high? Or just brainwashed by your Friends and Fox? 1) Competition for viewers. Everyone is cordcutting and can watch whatever program they want at anytime. Most people have a backlog due to there being more content out there than time to view it. The NFL is no longer a specialty on Monday nights because of this. 2) The NFL also needs to do a better job accommodating cord cutters. Many people just get internet and Netflix and call it a day. They need to a better job addressing this. 3) Oversaturation(thursday games) 4) Milking their customers. If I'm going to go out of my way to buy Sunday ticket do I really need to pay more for freaking preseason games? Also, registered season ticket holders should get Sunday ticket for free for away games. That's more like it.
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) @SInow NFL television viewership is down 7.5% compared to last season https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/18/nfl-television-ratings-decline That overall decline is 7.5%, although Monday Night Football on ESPN is averaging just over 11 million viewers per game, up 6%. and last year was down 8%, so that is a 15.5% loss in viewers in 2 years. wow. Anthem protests...? Are you guys high? Or just brainwashed by your Friends and Fox? I personally know a number of people who used to watch football regularly, but no longer watch aside from an occasional game and in some cases not at all. One of the common themes they all sited is that they will not support a league with players who openly disrespect our country, our flag and our military. Is this really hard to believe? 2 of the people I mentioned are former military and both cancelled their Sunday ticket. Are you really surprised that there are conservative Americans out there who take this seriously? If so, you aren't paying attention. I am not saying that this is the ONLY reason by any stretch, but it is certainly a contributing factor. Edited October 18, 2017 by buffaloboyinATL
klos63 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Klos wasn't trying to make an analogy. He was simply refuting the comment that any other worker in any other workplace would be sacked for it. He wasn't saying his employees were the same as NFL players. Thanks. I've been trying to make that point but nobody seems to want to hear my explanation. Similar to players saying they are not protesting to disrespect the military, but some people don't want to hear that either.
The Big Cat Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 and last year was down 8%, so that is a 15.5% loss in viewers in 2 years. wow. I personally know a number of people who used to watch football regularly, but no longer watch aside from an occasional game and in some cases not at all. One of the common themes they all sited is that they will not support a league with players who openly disrespect our country, our flag and our military. Is this really hard to believe? 2 of the people I mentioned are former military and both cancelled their Sunday ticket. Are you really surprised that there are conservative Americans out there who take this seriously? If so, you aren't paying attention. I am not saying that this is the ONLY reason by any stretch, but it is certainly a contributing factor. Contributing to what? A 0.5% uptick in the year of year trend? Sounds like you personally know a number of morons.
okbills Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Contributing to what? A 0.5% uptick in the year of year trend? Sounds like you personally know a number of morons. First, this is a gross oversimplification; second, it is also reckless debasement of your fellow Americans.
The Big Cat Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 First, this is a gross oversimplification; second, it is also reckless debasement of your fellow Americans. Their reckless interpretation of the protests is a gross oversimplification of the plights of our fellow Americans--extra emphasis on the "simple."
okbills Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) Their reckless interpretation of the protests is a gross oversimplification of the plights of our fellow Americans--extra emphasis on the "simple." I think everyone agrees that disparities exist. America was founded on equal opportunity not equality of outcomes. Most well known black athletes are more concerned with fatherless black children and point to that as the prime cause of disparity than any one other thing. Edited October 18, 2017 by okbills
PolishDave Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 and last year was down 8%, so that is a 15.5% loss in viewers in 2 years. wow. I personally know a number of people who used to watch football regularly, but no longer watch aside from an occasional game and in some cases not at all. One of the common themes they all sited is that they will not support a league with players who openly disrespect our country, our flag and our military. Is this really hard to believe? 2 of the people I mentioned are former military and both cancelled their Sunday ticket. Are you really surprised that there are conservative Americans out there who take this seriously? If so, you aren't paying attention. I am not saying that this is the ONLY reason by any stretch, but it is certainly a contributing factor. You know, I didn't think it was going to be an issue with guys not watching football because of the protests. But I actually know 3 families who aren't watching the games because of it. And all of them are Democrats. Turns out the Anthem thing crosses political lines in some cases. Of course these guys are more conservative than most Democrats too I guess. I figured most people would blow it off as idiot players being idiots. It hit home hard with some though I guess. Harder than I would have guessed. I just ignore the anthem thing and continue to stand, hat off, hand over heart. Some day those players will realize they went about this wrong. But then again, you can't fix stupid.
Peevo Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 That's the big one. Problem is they can't do anything about it, contracts are signed. Technically its not a real problem for the NFL because they are making more money then ever. Agreed. I don't have cable, and my TV viewing experience has improved tremendously. There's so much good stuff on Netflix and Hulu, all commercial free. It's too much to watch, and that's only 2 services. I went to my buddy's to watch Game of Thrones once a week. Pro sports has not adjusted to the commercial free, "over the top" consumption model of modern streaming services. While I doubt we'll get to a point where live pro sports will eliminate spots, they need to figure out a way to either charge more for commercials and air less of them, or air longer commercial breaks but less net commercial time. Something's gotta give. The sponsorships are brutal too. "This Toyota.com replay brought to you by Geico, 15 minutes could save you 15 percent or more on car insurance. Geico.com technology partners are brought to you by Sprint. Switch to Sprint and get a new iPhone! Details in store. That store brought to you by Target. Target run, and done!
The Big Cat Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 I think everyone agrees that disparities exist. America was founded on equal opportunity not equality of outcomes. Most well known black athletes are more concerned with fatherless black children and point to that as a the prime cause of disparity than any one other thing. And that's fine. But unless the folks now bravely protesting football because they falsely interpret a social protest as a protest against America that takes place during a ritual that they falsely believe to be a military one, unless those folks also protested the republican presidential candidate when he openly and indisputably ridiculed the parents of an actual fallen soldier, then those folks are either liars, hypocrites, stupid or all of the above. There's no two ways about it. You know, I didn't think it was going to be an issue with guys not watching football because of the protests. But I actually know 3 families who aren't watching the games because of it. And all of them are Democrats. Turns out the Anthem thing crosses political lines in some cases. Of course these guys are more conservative than most Democrats too I guess. I figured most people would blow it off as idiot players being idiots. It hit home hard with some though I guess. Harder than I would have guessed. I just ignore the anthem thing and continue to stand, hat off, hand over heart. Some day those players will realize they went about this wrong. But then again, you can't fix stupid. Were those families equally upset when the national anthem was co-opted (with full involvement from the league) with this cause: https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/NFL-Supports-National-Breast-Cancer-Awareness-Month-With-A-Crucial-Catch-Campaign.aspx? Or is it just causes they'd rather ignore?
okbills Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) And that's fine. But unless the folks now bravely protesting football because they falsely interpret a social protest as a protest against America that takes place during a ritual that they falsely believe to be a military one, unless those folks also protested the republican presidential candidate when he openly and indisputably ridiculed the parents of an actual fallen soldier, then those folks are either liars, hypocrites, stupid or all of the above. There's no two ways about it. ... It's best if we try to listen to each other and try to understand where each is coming from. That's the way to a proper resolution. Edited October 18, 2017 by okbills
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Anthem protests...? Are you guys high? Or just brainwashed by your Friends and Fox? A bit of both? random thought ----- Do all the people complaining about the anthem stand up at home when watching / listening to the anthem?
PolishDave Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 And that's fine. But unless the folks now bravely protesting football because they falsely interpret a social protest as a protest against America that takes place during a ritual that they falsely believe to be a military one, unless those folks also protested the republican presidential candidate when he openly and indisputably ridiculed the parents of an actual fallen soldier, then those folks are either liars, hypocrites, stupid or all of the above. There's no two ways about it. Were those families equally upset when the national anthem was co-opted (with full involvement from the league) with this cause: https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/NFL-Supports-National-Breast-Cancer-Awareness-Month-With-A-Crucial-Catch-Campaign.aspx? Or is it just causes they'd rather ignore? Don't know. I can tell you that they are not military families though. I know 1 had a father who served during WWII. But that is as close as the military connection comes to my knowledge. I guess it is up to each person to decide what causes they are most emotional about and/or care about the most. It's not up to you, eh?
The Big Cat Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 I'd like to simplify this: two people yelling at each over some issue show they care about the issues. While there are better ways to do things than yelling, it at least shows people care enough to participate in a conversation. But when you start name calling you make them an enemy. That's just not healthy--for anyone who does it. I'm not yelling at anyone. My voice is calm and direct when I say, "If you're protesting the NFL, you're either a hypocrite or you're a moron." Save the kumbaya for when both sides agree to fight fair. Until then, the acknowledgment and validation of stupidity and hypocrisy has spiraled out of control over the last decade, and we've reached a point where it's time to call it what it is. Don't know. I can tell you that they are not military families though. I know 1 had a father who served during WWII. But that is as close as the military connection comes to my knowledge. I guess it is up to each person to decide what causes they are most emotional about and/or care about the most. It's not up to you, eh? Good point. A lot of people engage in stupid behavior without my permission.
okbills Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 I'm not yelling at anyone. My voice is calm and direct when I say, "If you're protesting the NFL, you're either a hypocrite or you're a moron." Save the kumbaya for when both sides agree to fight fair. Until then, the acknowledgment and validation of stupidity and hypocrisy has spiraled out of control over the last decade, and we've reached a point where it's time to call it what it is. Good point. A lot of people engage in stupid behavior without my permission. Please take the time to explain what the beef is. I'm interested to know from your perspective.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Don't know. I can tell you that they are not military families though. I know 1 had a father who served during WWII. But that is as close as the military connection comes to my knowledge. I guess it is up to each person to decide what causes they are most emotional about and/or care about the most. It's not up to you, eh? I'd have to imagine it's more about the sport itself being politicized than the protests themselves. Football was a retreat from reality for many. Something that anyone could bond over regardless of other views on politics, religion, current events etc. Now that stuff has bled into football and it is no longer a retreat, so people are finding new things to fill that need. My firsthand experience, though somewhat unrelated, is with college football. As a freshman at VT during the tragedy in 2007, I can tell you that while the whole experience brought us together as a community, it was also in the back of everyone's minds. There was suddenly a much more visible police presence around campus. Double doors now only had 1 handle so that they could not be chained closed. Little things, but things you noticed and encountered every day. Fall of sophomore year rolled around and still, it was that elephant in the room. Always on everyone's mind, but nobody wanted to talk about it. Until September 1, 2007. Opening day for VT Football. Lane Stadium was packed, Enter Sandman came on and everyone was jumping. It was electric. And it was the first time in nearly 5 months that nobody in Blacksburg was thinking about what happened in April. It was incredible. And that is the power of football, or at least it was.
The Big Cat Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Please take the time to explain what the beef is. I'm interested to know from your perspective. Generally speaking? Intellectual dishonesty. This is just a very specific manifestation. People are boycotting the league because they believe that a critique of America is tantamount to "disrespect" and thus an infringement of America's and (I guess?) their own sensibilities. Elsewhere, this kind of behavior/response has been attached to the god forsaken millennial snow flakes we hear so much about. So, even before we dive into the wildly off target interpretation of what's happening, before we even dive into the issue that's being highlighted in the first place, we have to stop and address how it's making people feel when they should otherwise be unencumbered for a Sunday's worth of football (of all things). This behavior is largely un-tolerated by the ilk now engaging in it. Again, this is before we even get into the particulars of how they're interpreting what's happening in the first place. That means we're left with two ways to interpret their choice to boycott: stupid (not actually based on something happening) or hypocritical (not consistent with other believes they're likely to espouse). And generally speaking, that's the refrain we're seeing all over the place in our present (topsy turvy) environment and it leads back to one simple concept that's at the heart of it all, ripping common sense and decency to shreds: intellectual dishonesty.
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