Foreigner Posted October 17, 2017 Author Posted October 17, 2017 I!m not saying you are wrong, but it is debatable. You have to blame some of that 0-5 on him, and TT gets almost no credit for 3-2. Eli is almost immobile as a statue, whereas TT's legs are not used by our OC. Eli will always be remembered for his two rings, no matter how much his play has declined lately, and TT will always be remembered as a failed QB in the draught. Who is to say how many of the other 31 QB's would have won a SB if they had Eli's supporting cast. That is one question we will never know the answer to.
San-O Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 I!m not saying you are wrong, but it is debatable. You have to blame some of that 0-5 on him, and TT gets almost no credit for 3-2. Eli is almost immobile as a statue, whereas TT's legs are not used by our OC. Eli will always be remembered for his two rings, no matter how much his play has declined lately, and TT will always be remembered as a failed QB in the draught. Who is to say how many of the other 31 QB's would have won a SB if they had Eli's supporting cast. That is one question we will never know the answer to. Buffalo 1 st in league D points allowed, and 31 in league O yards / game. They are not winning because of great QB play.
Thurman#1 Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 For all the Tyrod haters out there, and all the non believers who say you can not win in the NFL with the above QB numbers, the 0-5 Giants defeated the Broncos last night in Denver 23-10. This result with the Giants losing their top 4 receivers due to injury. For the Giants TE Engram was 5-82 and the Giants total offense was only 266 yards. Maybe we can have a very successful season if the OL can open up enough holes in the run game to get Shady going again, and with the Giants start and non playoff appearances Eli is not getting killed like Tyrod is. Denver's QB's threw for 394 yards. Just sayin. Dude, absolutely nobody ever has said that you can't win a single game with numbers like those. And a single game is what the Giants won. Of course you can win a game or two. Hell, we've won seven and eight games, so don't pretend you're countering something anyone has actually said.
Thurman#1 Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Lets all strive for 190 passing yards a game across the NFL. What fun that would be.!!! the winning teams do..the exception is Brady The winning teams do strive for 190 yards per game passing? Seriously? We must have 26 winning teams in the NFL then, because that's how many average 190 yards per game. Heck the top nine teams average 250 and up. Including KC and the Eagles, the winningest teams in the league. The teams averaging 190 yards passing per game or less are the Raiders, Titans, Bears, Jags, Bills, Ravens and Dolphins. Edited October 17, 2017 by Thurman#1
Thurman#1 Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I'll say this again...Aaron Rodgers is 1-35 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter against winning teams. The stat is bad but there is more to it than just QB. For instance I bet one of those losses was the Miami game when Tyrod gave this team a lead with a minute and small change left to play. I bet another loss was the Seattle game where Taylor drove us down to the red zone only to hav e 1 receiver knocked down on his rear and two others totally mugged and no flag. That's cherrypicking the list. When you look at the list that that stat presents, it's good QBs at the top and bad QBs at the bottom. Like pretty much every stat, there's an exception that proves the rule, in this case Rodgers. Doesn't mean it's not a very useful and telling stat. 4th quarter comeback leaders for the last 50 years (career) are, in order ... Peyton, Brady, Marino, Unitas, Elway, Montana, Favre, Manning, Tarkenton, Roethlisberger, Testaverde, Brees, Moon, Stafford, Romo, Ryan, Bledsoe, Fouts, Krieg, Rivers and YA Tittle. That's a very strong list. The list of the same stat for active QBs is also overall very strong at the top and weak at the bottom. Edited October 17, 2017 by Thurman#1
Dragonborn10 Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Football isn't about numbers. Regardless of your side in the TT debate, judging him solely on numbers isn't fair. Football is a game of inches, it's about making clutch plays at the right time. TT fails at this more often than he succeeds. We are 4-2 if he makes a quick read and gets the ball to Logan Thomas. Instead, he chose to wave him into the endzone. We missed a chance to put seven on the board, and eventually lost a game we would have likely won otherwise. They are 4-1 if Jones can catch. None of us know what route Thomas was supposed to be running. But I agree, a quick throw there beats the LB and Thomas should score. TT was too conservative there.
BananaB Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) The only thing I get out of this is our wins against the Broncos and the Falcons arent as big as we thought. Sorry, but they aint as strong as they were hyped up to be.. Good thing is, I think a lot of teams are trying to find themselves right now. Nobody is undefeated and only 2 teams are sitting at 5-1. Its tighter then usual at this point. Im not to concerned about Taylor yards, just more concerned that when put in passing situations he fails miserably. We could be 4-1 or 5-0 if he could run a 2 minute offense. That will come back to haunt us. Games vary each week on both sides of the ball, when you have opportunities to win these games you look to your QB. Sadly, what people dont realize is, if Taylor was better in these situations we may have been to the playoffs already.... And im sure ill get a lot of responses on how bad our D was, which is true. But if you have the ball at the end of the game and we need points to win or tie, it all starts with the QB. You cant change that. Edited October 17, 2017 by BananaB
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 The winning teams do strive for 190 yards per game passing? Seriously? We must have 26 winning teams in the NFL then, because that's how many average 190 yards per game. Heck the top nine teams average 250 and up. Including KC and the Eagles, the winningest teams in the league. The teams averaging 190 yards passing per game or less are the Raiders, Titans, Bears, Jags, Bills, Ravens and Dolphins. That was sarcasm Thrum. A while back I said I would like to see TT pass for 300 yards, then the Champions latched onto that # as being a bridge too far. Hence all the 300 yard posts. Once and a while would be nice. AND when he does it a big fat W to go along with it. BTW... Mariota passed for 300 and a W last night.
Foreigner Posted October 30, 2017 Author Posted October 30, 2017 Taylor 20-27-0 165 Career Record 20-16 TDs 55 Int 16 Carr 31-49-2 313 Like I said in a earlier post, Russell Wilson broke out in his 3rd year. this is Taylors 3rd year
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