BringBackFergy Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Just so you guys know, Frank Reich (white) beat Warren Moon (black) in the Greatest Comeback game. Reich and Marv Levy were clearly racist for doing so...as was Beebe, Andre Reed (3 TDs) and the other 20 Bills playing that day. I read a lot of news articles after that victory and almost all of them blamed the loss on Moons skin color. IIRC
Nuncha Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I don't care what color his skin is he is an AVERAGE QB at best. Edited October 17, 2017 by Azucho98
mead107 Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 How do you know they were white. Maybe they had white face paint on? DNA test needed to prove.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 I kind of think it's naive to assume that things haven't changed that much. It's not like 50 years ago everyone was racist and then change started; it's been over 50 years since the dominant culture officially rejected racial discrimination, and we've moved rapidly and obsessively in that direction ever since. We now live in a culture that views racism as the supreme evil and anti-racism as the greatest virtue. Even saying something slightly racist can destroy a career. There's little worse than being labeled a white racist in America. Yet the sanctimonious "we have a long way to go" crowd ignores all of that and despite the absence of much supporting evidence declares we're a nation "steeped in racism" without any sense of historical or global perspective. But who needs evidence when you have self-righteous snark to support your position. not sure why a global perspective is needed. America is far from cured of it's racist passed. In fact the current climate as brought what was once hidden out to into the light and frightingly so Tyord: Alex Smith would like to know why he is also called a "game manager" and routinely criticized. Is he black? and Alex Smith is a better game manager. This country has always struggled with racism and bias but lumping Taylor into the discussion does a massive injustice to the real issues He exceeds everyone on that list in productivity. Fitzpatrick is the only one who comes close. really ? Fitz threw over 25 tds twice and FItz wasn't any good either. Taylor is simply not a good qb. You obviously didnt watch the 30 for 30 It was right there and documented.....Tyrod Taylor had a fantastic combine in the athletism department and his agent went right to him and said he was being asked if Tyrod would like to change his position to wide receiver because of his physical talents. Tyrod stuck to his guns and wanted to be drafted as a quarterback, Lets also say this...Tyrod comeing up of college was NOT Michael Vick....he had qb deficiencies that he actually worked on while with Baltimore and he grew as a qb.....qbs mature at different rates and are often drafted based on potential.....and he was viewed as a certain kind of player and THAT is why he fell in the draft...not specically because he was black but because of the athlete stereotypel he fell into. Tyrod has lasted longer then ALL the qbs drafted in front of him and has had greater success......he IS a good NFL qb even if he is not a franchise player he is not a good nfl qb. not even close. he is basically an athlete playing qb. Just as teabow was. Yes Taylor has a better arm but he doesn't do enough with it to translate into effective qb play
Gugny Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 not sure why a global perspective is needed. America is far from cured of it's racist passed. In fact the current climate as brought what was once hidden out to into the light and frightingly so and Alex Smith is a better game manager. This country has always struggled with racism and bias but lumping Taylor into the discussion does a massive injustice to the real issues really ? Fitz threw over 25 tds twice and FItz wasn't any good either. Taylor is simply not a good qb. he is not a good nfl qb. not even close. he is basically an athlete playing qb. Just as teabow was. Yes Taylor has a better arm but he doesn't do enough with it to translate into effective qb play F8 !!!
T master Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 BS !! Plain & simple !! He's held to a higher standard because he's playing in a league where the players are suppose to be the best of the best not mediocre or middle of the road . Taylor has been decent at what he does but in B/lo seeing as the fan base & the team has been starving for a NFL caliber QB he will be put under a microscope every time he turns around especially when he has Tommy B. in the same division . Taylor is a really good game managing QB but when the chips are down & he needs to carry the team he doesn't do it , thats where the comparison is . Brady can take just about any one at the WR position & he makes them better because of how good he is & thats what TT & many other QB's around the league don't do plain & simple ...
DC Tom Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 not sure why a global perspective is needed. America is far from cured of it's racist passed. In fact the current climate as brought what was once hidden out to into the light and frightingly so From now on, I will embrace this country's racist passed [sic], and expect Tyrod Taylor to be no more than 3/5 as good as a white QB.
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 I don't agree with his take. I think he's held to a standard of what QB play is within the league. But I also won't tell an African-American athlete what to say about his race since I haven't walked in his shoes. I would like to think racism is not a factor in how he's perceived, but that would be naïve at best.
BeginnersMind Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Trying a different tack. Tyrod and every black person get held to a tougher standard by some. Call it the "black people driving in white neighborhoods get pulled over a lot more" standard if you just want to know what almost all black people have to deal with daily, and at the extremes, it gets a lot uglier. Given this, why is it so hard to believe that Tyrod, playing a predominantly white position, would not be held to a different standard because he's black? That doesn't mean he's got the skill of Tom Brady and we're all missing it. He's just noting that racial bias and racism are both real, and he is likely subject to them. It's possible to separate whether he's a good enough QB from the fact that he's the subject of more critical judgments by some people due to his race. Said another way, you can have a debate about his QB qualities separate from a discussion about whether the fan base acts racist. Enjoy the thread.
Jauronimo Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 A few years back a white basketball player on the Syracuse team was called a thug. Maybe not in the newspapers but I heard several fans call him that. Devendorf was a thug. Good player though.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 You know things are off the rails when you have to go to the PPP for sanity.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Trying a different tack. Tyrod and every black person get held to a tougher standard by some. Call it the "black people driving in white neighborhoods get pulled over a lot more" standard if you just want to know what almost all black people have to deal with daily, and at the extremes, it gets a lot uglier. Given this, why is it so hard to believe that Tyrod, playing a predominantly white position, would not be held to a different standard because he's black? That doesn't mean he's got the skill of Tom Brady and we're all missing it. He's just noting that racial bias and racism are both real, and he is likely subject to them. It's possible to separate whether he's a good enough QB from the fact that he's the subject of more critical judgments by some people due to his race. Said another way, you can have a debate about his QB qualities separate from a discussion about whether the fan base acts racist. Enjoy the thread. Tyrod would be held to a lower standard if this was true, as already stated in this thread.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Devendorf was a thug. Good player though. One of my all-time favorite players at Syracuse. The ultimate villain but a great, loyal teammate.
boyst Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Need an Italian recipe for tonight guys, dates coming over and we are cooking together.
BurpleBull Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 baskingridgebillsfan, on 17 Oct 2017 - 08:54 AM, said: not sure why a global perspective is needed. America is far from cured of it's racist passed. In fact the current climate as brought what was once hidden out to into the light and frightingly so and Alex Smith is a better game manager. This country has always struggled with racism and bias but lumping Taylor into the discussion does a massive injustice to the real issues really ? Fitz threw over 25 tds twice and FItz wasn't any good either. Taylor is simply not a good qb. he is not a good nfl qb. not even close. he is basically an athlete playing qb. Just as teabow was. Yes Taylor has a better arm but he doesn't do enough with it to translate into effective qb play Yeah and he had the interceptions to go with them to negated much of that production. The Bills can make the playoffs with a winning record under Taylor.
BringBackFergy Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Need an Italian recipe for tonight guys, dates coming over and we are cooking together.
SoCal Deek Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 The problem with Tyrod has almost NOTHING to do with all of the stats that people on here keep quoting. His problem is that virtually NEVER leads a game winning fourth quarter drive when the Team needs one. PERIOD! Change that one thing and nothing else matters. And by the way, that same trait separates virtually ALL of the highly respected QBs.
JaCrispy Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Trying a different tack. Tyrod and every black person get held to a tougher standard by some. Call it the "black people driving in white neighborhoods get pulled over a lot more" standard if you just want to know what almost all black people have to deal with daily, and at the extremes, it gets a lot uglier. Given this, why is it so hard to believe that Tyrod, playing a predominantly white position, would not be held to a different standard because he's black? That doesn't mean he's got the skill of Tom Brady and we're all missing it. He's just noting that racial bias and racism are both real, and he is likely subject to them. It's possible to separate whether he's a good enough QB from the fact that he's the subject of more critical judgments by some people due to his race. Said another way, you can have a debate about his QB qualities separate from a discussion about whether the fan base acts racist. Enjoy the thread. I guess it COULD be possible that Tyrod is held to a different standard than white quarterbacks... but where he loses legitimacy in his argument, to me, is when he claims that Aaron Rodgers is a mobile quarterback, but suggests that he doesn't get labeled as such because he is white. I think everyone would agree that Rogers is, first and foremost, an elite passer- whereas the same cannot be said for Tyrod Taylor... of course Rogers has some speed and elusiveness in the pocket but it is not his first best skill as it is with Tyrod... therefore most people find it hard to accept Taylor's argument because the foundation for which he bases it on is weak imo...both Derek Carr and Aaron Rogers produce at a high-level in the passing game. Until Taylor does the same he will always be seen as a running quarterback regardless of skin color . Edited October 17, 2017 by JaCrispy
Billsmovinup Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Need an Italian recipe for tonight guys, dates coming over and we are cooking together. A jar of prego. Texas toast with cheese. Spaghetti noodles. Frozen meatballs. Parmesean cheese. Chopped Mushrooms in a can. You can get all the above at the grocery store. Boil the noodles for ten minutes. Put them on a plate. Pour some prego on top. Nuke it for 90 secs. Follow the instructions on the texas toast box. I think its 350 for 6-8 minutes but I could be wrong. Double check the box. Put the texas toast in the oven about four minutes after you start the noodles.Cook the frozen meatballs for 18 mins at 350. Your good to go. Wanna get really fancy add some mushrooms to the sauce before nuking it. You can usually get chopped mushrooms in a can for less than a buck. Get her drunk before hand. Shell think emiril made the meal. You can probably get a cheap bottle of vodka for under ten bucks. Edited October 17, 2017 by Billsmovinup
JaCrispy Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 The problem with Tyrod has almost NOTHING to do with all of the stats that people on here keep quoting. His problem is that virtually NEVER leads a game winning fourth quarter drive when the Team needs one. PERIOD! Change that one thing and nothing else matters. And by the way, that same trait separates virtually ALL of the highly respected QBs. Yes, I agree this is certainly part of the problem
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