John from Riverside Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 I am glad Tyrod spoke up about an issue that has been ignored and swept under the rug for too long. The abuse heaped upon star athletes in our society. It can start even before high school. Then in high school they are singled out, identified, forced to interact with cheerleaders and other icky girl people. For some it gets crueler still where they are made to sign letters binding them to colleges and then torn from their homes. When away from the safety of their family homes, they are subjected to more harassment from girl and women people, but now there is no escape and it can last all night long. They are also subjected to the horrors of perks from people calling themselves "boosters". Thankfully the most tragic outcomes are uncommon. But poor Tyrod is one of those uncommon few. Tyrod Taylor is a starting quarterback in the NFL. Will the nightmare never end for Tyrod?? Tyrod Taylor is more than an abuse survivor. Tyrod Taylor is Hero. If your not going to be a training camp reporter for us then your not allowed to give your opinion either dammit! (Im kidding)
section122 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 This is not to say there isn't racism in America, but I do think when it comes to sports, people want good performance and care less about the color of skin. We are 70 years removed from Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in baseball. We are 63 years removed from Brown vs. Board of Education. We are 54 years removed from "I have a dream." and "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" 91 million Americans are older than 54 So 91 million Americans were alive during a time when it was perfectly acceptable to discriminate based on the color of skin. It would be a broad (and ignorant) stroke to say they were all racist but imo it would be just as ignorant to pretend that some of these people don't still hold onto their racist ideals sports figure or not. I think we as America are making a lot of progress and the further these events get away from current events the better off we will be but they aren't that far in our rear view.
White Linen Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 We are 70 years removed from Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in baseball. We are 63 years removed from Brown vs. Board of Education. We are 54 years removed from "I have a dream." and "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" 91 million Americans are older than 54 So 91 million Americans were alive during a time when it was perfectly acceptable to discriminate based on the color of skin. It would be a broad (and ignorant) stroke to say they were all racist but imo it would be just as ignorant to pretend that some of these people don't still hold onto their racist ideals sports figure or not. I think we as America are making a lot of progress and the further these events get away from current events the better off we will be but they aren't that far in our rear view. You're missing it. It won't go away so long as people perpetuate a false narrative. It's not about truth or if it's going to/is better. It's about making sure people hold on to their anger by people that benefit from the anger.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 what does a person have to do to get this thread locked? Why this hasn't crossed into PPP realm ???
RyanC883 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Tyord: Alex Smith would like to know why he is also called a "game manager" and routinely criticized. Is he black?
Greybeard Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Does Taylor have cause to feel frustrated how his performance is perceived? I'd say yes, but for a variety of reasons. But leaving aside the question of race in that, one general observation on black athletes : They seem to have an easier time embodying any number of undesirable traits - such as "selfish" or "arrogant" or "obnoxious" - than their white peers. Given human nature, that sorta thing is never far off - so it's a bit unfair black athletes appear to have an inside track. My favorite example is "thug". I've see that term thrown around a lot in sports talk, but can't ever remember a white "thug". A few year back Virginia Tech had a very-white (honest-to-god) "thug" kicker. But I don't think anyone ever called him that....... A few years back a white basketball player on the Syracuse team was called a thug. Maybe not in the newspapers but I heard several fans call him that. Edited October 16, 2017 by Greybeard
DC Tom Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 At this point, I'll just be racist. Only because I keep being told I'm racist, and I'm so goddamn tired of arguing that hating blacks is just easier.
BadLandsMeanie Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 At this point, I'll just be racist. Only because I keep being told I'm racist, and I'm so goddamn tired of arguing that hating blacks is just easier. That's the funniest thing I have read all day. But I am not sure if I am allowed to laugh.
CardinalScotts Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 I can honestly say I've never thought about him being a "black" quarterback. He does some good thing and some bad things not a franchise guy but without a doubt gives us the best chance to win. I'm not blind I also see one playmaker in McCoy. I think we lose reality of what qb play is in the NFL right now our comparison is to hall of fame quarterbacks. seriously? thats the bar? Rothlisber with Bryant and Brown hasnt cracked 300 yds in 11 games- why not ?
boyst Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 This conversation has turned stupid now. No offense. But enough with the height bull ****. Good prospects get drafted early; not so good prospects get drafted late. Sometimes early drafts suck; sometimes late drafts turn out great. He was drafted accurately and all anyone expects from him is to do the things other NFL starting QBs can do; like read defenses, make up his mind, throw accurately, call audibles ... you know ... QB stuff. He can't. Not because he's black. Because he's JUST. NOT. THAT. !@#$ING. GOOD. ~ fin of course you would be upset I talking about height
Rob's House Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 I am glad Tyrod spoke up about an issue that has been ignored and swept under the rug for too long. The abuse heaped upon star athletes in our society. It can start even before high school. Then in high school they are singled out, identified, forced to interact with cheerleaders and other icky girl people. For some it gets crueler still where they are made to sign letters binding them to colleges and then torn from their homes. When away from the safety of their family homes, they are subjected to more harassment from girl and women people, but now there is no escape and it can last all night long. They are also subjected to the horrors of perks from people calling themselves "boosters". Thankfully the most tragic outcomes are uncommon. But poor Tyrod is one of those uncommon few. Tyrod Taylor is a starting quarterback in the NFL. Will the nightmare never end for Tyrod?? Tyrod Taylor is more than an abuse survivor. Tyrod Taylor is Hero.
SoCal Deek Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Wait! Tyrod is black? I hadn't noticed. (Note to self....get a new TV.)
Rob's House Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 We are 70 years removed from Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in baseball. We are 63 years removed from Brown vs. Board of Education. We are 54 years removed from "I have a dream." and "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" 91 million Americans are older than 54 So 91 million Americans were alive during a time when it was perfectly acceptable to discriminate based on the color of skin. It would be a broad (and ignorant) stroke to say they were all racist but imo it would be just as ignorant to pretend that some of these people don't still hold onto their racist ideals sports figure or not. I think we as America are making a lot of progress and the further these events get away from current events the better off we will be but they aren't that far in our rear view. There's a big difference between a handful of randos having an opinion and having systemic institutionalized discriminatory racism. If he's lying awake at night because a few senior citizens and some internet trolls have racist opinions he should grow a sack.
John from Riverside Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 At this point, I'll just be racist. Only because I keep being told I'm racist, and I'm so goddamn tired of arguing that hating blacks is just easier. I did chuckle a bit at this.....maybe im just a bad person
CardinalScotts Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 unfair standard from the Buffalo News? Without a doubt yes - the main reason is football knowledge is essentially not there. Bucky Gleason and Jerry Sullivan are going to set me straight? Good lord.... He's not a traditional quarterback and they can't figure out how to look at him. Takes knowledge why things don't work, what the defense is able to do etc. Not a clue nor do they have any interest in trying to find out. Cover one / Locked on Bills does a great job for the Bills fans with half a brain. Those without any brain Jerry, Bucky, Nick, Sal M, those are your guys !!
section122 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 I can honestly say I've never thought about him being a "black" quarterback. He does some good thing and some bad things not a franchise guy but without a doubt gives us the best chance to win. I'm not blind I also see one playmaker in McCoy. I think we lose reality of what qb play is in the NFL right now our comparison is to hall of fame quarterbacks. seriously? thats the bar? Rothlisber with Bryant and Brown hasnt cracked 300 yds in 11 games- why not ? I have been on this train for a while now. Brady has skewed all of our vision of what is necessary to win. Other teams in every other division in the NFL can have down years and still sneak into the playoffs. Other teams can get subpar qb play and still be a competitive team. Subpar QB play or play on the level of TT is very much the norm in the NFL. Only the Patriots bring it every single freaking game. Just this season: Big Ben has had a 5 int game, has thrown for 300 yards once and it took 55 attempts to do so, and Steelers lost to Jags and Bears Cam Newton already has 2 games with 3 ints, 2 games completing less than 60%, and 2 games scoring 13 or less points Eli has 1 game over 300 yards and it 47 attempts to do so. In fact in their only win he had 128 passing yards and less than 60% completion. Russel Wilson has 3 games out of 5 with 5.85 ypa or worse, also 3 games out of 5 with less than 200 yards passing and sub 60% completions Dak Prescott has less than 270 yards passing in every game and a lower ypa than TT Phillip Rivers has 2 games with 50% or lower completions and 3 games sub 6 ypa, Drew Brees has only broken 300 yards passing once. Many members on this board admitted to only watching Bills games yet offer opinions of what a qb should be. Look at the thread about what games people will watch during the Bills bye. Those same members however are convinced that TT is terrible. It's the Brady effect since we "get" to see him twice a year. Most qbs are erratic, every qb misses throws, every qb has bad games/stretches in games. It isn't racism it is offering an uninformed opinion. There's a big difference between a handful of randos having an opinion and having systemic institutionalized discriminatory racism. If he's lying awake at night because a few senior citizens and some internet trolls have racist opinions he should grow a sack. I'm sorry you will forever be the guy who was upset because he didn't know how to explain to his kid 2 people of the same sex kissing in public. It is hard to discuss this topic with you without thinking about that. My post was simply to draw attention to the fact that we are not that far off from systemic institutionalized discriminatory racism and to pretend that in just 50 years it has vanished is naive at best imo.
BeginnersMind Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) What is the difference between Taylor and Flutie? Taylor is more accurate and a better deep ball. And a better runner. And threw fewer interceptions. Neither one was that good, but Flutie was a worse QB. Yet beloved by many. Observe the white people's player jerseys at an NFL game. At a Bills game, you'll see more Alonzo, Spielman, Poz, Paup, Incognito (who outsells Tyrod!) etc than would be warranted given their tenure and quality. There's a reason for that. That's not a situation unique to Buffalo--go to Denver and join the Ed McCaffrey parade into Mile High. Edited October 16, 2017 by BeginnersMind
section122 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) A few years back a white basketball player on the Syracuse team was called a thug. Maybe not in the newspapers but I heard several fans call him that. Eric Devendorf I believe Edited October 16, 2017 by section122
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 And a better runner. And threw fewer interceptions. Neither one was that good, but Flutie was a worse QB. Yet beloved by many. Observe the white people's player jerseys at an NFL game. At a Bills game, you'll see more Alonzo, Spielman, Paup, etc than would be warranted given their tenure and quality. There's a reason for that. #raysisbehindeveryjersey
BeginnersMind Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) #raysisbehindeveryjersey For some perhaps, and for others merely bias. And many others, it doesn't matter. The point is that it does matter to enough that it makes a difference. Taylor feels it and of course it's real. That doesn't mean he hasn't earned the criticism he gets. But most people outside Buffalo see a guy with 3 penguins for wide receivers giving it his all to grind out improbable wins. Hard not to like a guy like that. And yet the fan base is calling for Nate Peterman because he's going to transform Andre Holmes into Jerry Rice. Edited October 16, 2017 by BeginnersMind
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