C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:14 PM, BILLiever55 said: Our current situation is a QB that needs WRs to make him look good and WRs that need a QB to make them look good. The loss of Charles Clay hurts the offense tremendously Great summary. Again, if the goal was to make the playoffs this year, we wont have traded Sammy. But it is what it is.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 He is going to be fine. So many of the greats take time to adjust to the pro game. I challenge you OP to go look up stats of the games best WR's over the last 15 years. Look up their rookie season game stats. I bet you will see some pretty pedestrian numbers. Just a hunch.
Real McClappy Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Here's a good article on the topic after the 4th game. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2017/10/05/buffalo-bills-zay-jones-rookie-wide-receiver-struggling-cincinnati-bengals/735045001/
bobobonators Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Game action at faster speeds with results that count. Not to mention that preseason is little pressure. Season is real. Same as preseason in baseball when batters light it up and then suck in regular season. Preseason football isnt real football. Ask the hoodie.
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Zay has been the biggest disappointment of the season for me. In college and ore season had had hands of glue, now he can't catch.
mannc Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) On 10/14/2017 at 3:33 PM, HappyDays said: I was hoping the new regime understood that trading up in the draft is a bad idea. A lesson learned, I hope. Stay where you're at, take the best player, take as many players as you can. Rinse and repeat. Trading up for a receiver with no elite traits because of his college production at a small school was a horrible choice.I'm certainly not ready to write off ZJ, but I agree with this. It was very disappointing to see the Bills give away picks to trade up twice in the second round, especially after trading back in the first. I hope this is not a sign of things to come. Edited October 14, 2017 by mannc
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:25 PM, Real McCoy said: Here's a good article on the topic after the 4th game. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2017/10/05/buffalo-bills-zay-jones-rookie-wide-receiver-struggling-cincinnati-bengals/735045001/ Thanks for posting it. I must say for alleged professionals, Sal and Leo aren't very good. First 15 seconds both are talking all over each other. Some Drunks at sports bars do a better job than those 2.
SaviorPeterman Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 I think the biggest mistake this staff is making with Jones is rushing him into the starting lineup. Most rookie WR's take time to develop, even most 1st rounders. This is why I maintain that even with a healthy Jordan Matthews this team needs to make a move for another proven veteran option if they have serious playoff aspirations this season.
CookieG Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 3:19 PM, Augie said: The guy can clearly catch....as in 158 times just last year. He just needs to let the game slow down for him. The trouble is currently between the ears. I hope he snaps out of it soon. Mhmm He had very few drops in college despite the number of balls thrown at him..I think he dropped 6 his senior year. Rookie jitters, confidence, whatever, it happens, and sometimes to some very good players. I remember Jordy Nelson dropping some balls his rookie year, And his hands were as good as any coming out of college. And even more surprising, Jerry Rice went through the same thing his rookie year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2006/too-deep-zone-jerry-rice-rookie-bust It can happen to the best of them.
Real McClappy Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) On 10/14/2017 at 4:33 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: Thanks for posting it. I must say for alleged professionals, Sal and Leo aren't very good. First 15 seconds both are talking all over each other. Some Drunks at sports bars do a better job than those 2. lol.. I actually missed the video prior to posting the link. Just read through the article which was much better. Edited October 14, 2017 by Real McCoy
transient Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 2:56 PM, DefenseWins said: He's a rookie... Eric Moulds was pretty awful his 1st 2 seasons too and he turned out OK... Marv Levy never used to let rookies play much... He always said that "the best thing about rookies is after their 1st season they become vets"... Give the kid time to adjust to the pro game... Marv Levy's success also came mostly before the era of free agency when you had the luxury of developing players without fear of losing them.
bobobonators Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:28 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: Zay has been the biggest disappointment of the season for me. In college and ore season had had hands of glue, now he can't catch. I wasnt expecting Zay to light it up. To me, the run game as a whole has been the biggest disappointment hands down. Since the Jets game Shady is averaging yards per carry in the 2's. No touchdowns. Tyrod doesnt have a rushing TD either and his yards per carry are down a lot.
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:41 PM, Real McCoy said: lol.. I actually missed the video prior to posting the link. Just read through the article which was much better. Do you agree, i think they are terrible, Leo just keeps rambling on in monotone and Sal interrupts to keep trying to say he already said in the past what Leo is trying to say now.. On 10/14/2017 at 4:41 PM, bobobonators said: I wasnt expecting Zay to light it up. To me, the run game as a whole has been the biggest disappointment hands down. Since the Jets game Shady is averaging yards per carry in the 2's. No touchdowns. Tyrod doesnt have a rushing TD either and his yards per carry are down a lot. I admit it, I was. As another poster said it must be mental. The run game is a disaster because defenses have, rightfully so, next to zero respect for our WRs, now that clay is out, zero respect for the TEs as well. We are not going to fix the run game until we fix the pass game imo.
Lurker Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) On 10/14/2017 at 4:24 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: Look up their rookie season game stats. I bet you will see some pretty pedestrian numbers. Just a hunch. On catch ratio, not really. Most guys were in the 50% range as rookies and many quite a bit better... Reception leader list (click on player name to get carrer/rookie stats): 2016: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/receiving.htm . 2015: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/receiving.htm 2010: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2010/receiving.htm 2006: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/receiving.htm Edited October 14, 2017 by Lurker
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 He needs to talk to Nelson Angolour and get the same shrink Nelson did in the offseason. And yes a more accurate passer helps too
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:24 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: He is going to be fine. So many of the greats take time to adjust to the pro game. I challenge you OP to go look up stats of the games best WR's over the last 15 years. Look up their rookie season game stats. I bet you will see some pretty pedestrian numbers. Just a hunch. ....I believe so bud.....a kid coming off a 160 reception season and not known for drops is getting a rough indoctrination into the NFL world, a whole different ball game versus ECU and its competition......he is playing mind games IMO....a couple of drops equate to apocalyptic failures between his ears...... dial up Andre Reed Sports Psychology tutelage to get this lad's head screwed back on....can't think of anyone better as far as guidance.....
cj192 Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) On 10/14/2017 at 4:24 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said: He is going to be fine. So many of the greats take time to adjust to the pro game. I challenge you OP to go look up stats of the games best WR's over the last 15 years. Look up their rookie season game stats. I bet you will see some pretty pedestrian numbers. Just a hunch. I had to reread the thread title to make sure I wasn't in the archives reading about EJ. Edited October 14, 2017 by cj192
Kaenon Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 4:14 PM, BILLiever55 said: Our current situation is a QB that needs WRs to make him look good and WRs that need a QB to make them look good. The loss of Charles Clay hurts the offense tremendously To be fair, the offense with Clay was only marginally better. Tyrod can't do anything and LeSean is averaging less than 3.5 per carry. Teams don't respect the pass, focus on stopping the run and the offense is struggling as a whole group.
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