KD in CA Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I can't believe this guy isn't Bruce Smith 2.0; he was the 19th pick! BUST!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Pathetic. You sure you didn't join TSW in March 2017? It sure seems like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) I can't believe this guy isn't Bruce Smith 2.0; he was the 19th pick! BUST!!! Ogbah taken after Shaq has 7.5 career sacks to Shaq's 4. There have been many historical pass rushers taken in the late first/early second who have had more success than Shaq. Edited October 13, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 A 300lbs guy is lean? Then who is fat or large? Which brings me to the question... why has no NFL team taken a flier on a 450 lbs sumo wrestler? They are athletes and agile. Their job is to not be moved from a point in space. At least bring one to camp... imagine trying to move that guy off of the center!! Sumo guy plays on 1st down only and goal line stands!!! Washington is not pudge. He's just a big dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Ogbah taken after Shaq has 7.5 career sacks to Shaq's 4. There have been many historical pass rushers taken in the late first/early second who have had more success than Shaq. in his half year of play and through 4 games your trying to make this determination......seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBilliever Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Cocaine is a hell of a drug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 in his half year of play and through 4 games your trying to make this determination......seriously? He's played 14 games. That was enough to determine EJ blew chunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 in his half year of play and through 4 games your trying to make this determination......seriously? He is being serious. Here's another example....look at this thread he created. https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/196392-the-smokin-jay-thread/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Grades out as a very strong run stopper/edge setter. He may not ever have the flash you want but is still valuable as 1/11th. He was an AWFUL fit in the old scheme. Not a star in any scheme, but he a solid 4-3 end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 My greatest fear realized, I've become Americanized. I would have thought it'd be Merkel and the rest of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Yet another Whaley gem. Yet another guy who doesn't understand fundamentals of football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman Just lock the thread right here. Nothing more needs to be said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. You're not watching the games then. Shaq has been a great edge setter on this D and is great in run support. Number 19 pick should be a starter, not some automatic superstar. You, like many on this board, have much too thick rose colored glasses when it comes to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Just lock the thread right here. Nothing more needs to be said... Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman That sounds all well and good, but 2016 was an aberrational year for sacks in general. In 2015, 8 sacks would've been a 5 way tie at 22nd in sacks. In 2014, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 26th in sacks. In 2013, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 36th in sacks. Edit: whoops, you're comparing Shaq versus a much smaller sample size. Shaq with 8 sacks would've still been a 9 way tie at 22nd in sacks in 2016. Edited October 13, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 the defense isn't the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 When Shaq is the biggest problem this team has I'll see you at the Superbowl victory celebration party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman You've been watching him play..........do you honestly feel he was on his way to 8 sacks this year? In a fraction of the playing time street free agent Eddie Yarborough has put more pressure on the QB. This is a pass rusher friendly scheme. When Shaq is the biggest problem this team has I'll see you at the Superbowl victory celebration party. Well, first rounders are the focus of "bust" talk.........so if they get rid of Dareus the only two original first rounders left to disappoint will be 3D and Shaq. By your formula: CHAMPIONSHIP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 That sounds all well and good, but 2016 was an aberrational year for sacks in general. In 2015, 8 sacks would've been a 5 way tie at 22nd in sacks. In 2014, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 26th in sacks. In 2013, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 36th in sacks. You're counting total sacks from all positions. Among just D-linemen, it would have ranked as follows: 16th in 2015 15th in 2014 20th in 2013... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) You're counting total sacks from all positions. Among just D-linemen, it would have ranked as follows: 16th in 2015 15th in 2014 20th in 2013... Why would we not? Our 19th pick wasn't contingent on drafting DL only. You've been watching him play..........do you honestly feel he was on his way to 8 sacks this year? In a fraction of the playing time street free agent Eddie Yarborough has put more pressure on the QB. This is a pass rusher friendly scheme. Well, first rounders are the focus of "bust" talk.........so if they get rid of Dareus the only two original first rounders left to disappoint will be 3D and Shaq. By your formula: CHAMPIONSHIP! Can't have any first round busts on your team if you cut them all. Edited October 13, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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