Wayne Arnold Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 One thing I will note: we have made OC changes recently and seen pretty big improvements right away, suggesting that you really can boost an offense by changing the guy drawing up and calling the plays. Why not? Our offense looks horrid, and I don't think Tyrod's running asset is being used correctly....meaning....it's not being used hardly at all. There's a reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I haven't found a reason to blame Dennison specifically. It seems like a lot of our woes have come down to a lack of execution. The lack of a passing game is our biggest issue, and I'm certainly not going to blame Dennison for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Who knows, maybe Dennison is incompetent. It's quite possible. However, let's say for sake of discussion that he is not. Why would the offense be having such problems after such efficient seasons in 2015 and 2016 if Dennison is in fact good? Offensive Line - Cordy Glenn's injuries, John Miller's regression, Jordan Mills is still Jordan Mills, and the overall learning curve of a new and entirely different blocking scheme has caused the OLine to go from very good to not-so-good. Taylor staying in the pocket - Considering the absence of the read-option play and Taylor remaining in the pocket like a prototypical NFL quarterback, it's been much easier for opposing defenses to stop the run. They don't have to take Taylor's mobility into account nearly as often. You could say, "Then why doesn't Dennison put in the read-option and let Tyrod run more?!" And I would say it's a call the entire organization made before the season began: seeing if Taylor could be a real NFL quarterback who could pick opposing defenses apart with his arm. Wide Receiver unit - A regression in the skill and talent from this unit considering injuries and other factors. Without having to pay quite as much attention to the WR's, opposing defenses can stack the line and dare Taylor to beat them with his arm. Tyrod Taylor is still a flawed NFL QB - Taylor still has trouble making his progressions at a sufficient rate, still lacks pocket awareness, and still refuses to attempt to throw receivers open on a consistent basis. Whether the wide receivers can make the play or not - it's Taylor's responsibility to attempt the passes instead of hesitating and taking the sack. Because of this, he hasn't been able to keep defenses honest and prevent them from stacking the line. Couldn't all four of these things be true? And if so, wouldn't that result in the offense's regression even with a talented offensive coordinator? ....if theoretically TT is NOT part of the long term plan, why not utilize his skillset that made 2015 & 2016 far more successful capitalizing on his mobility?.....forcing a "round peg into a square hole" when the "peg" is likely to be gone in 2018 at the expense of winning games doesn't add up IMO.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) The problem is that we dont fire coaches soon enough. Rex shouldve been gone after week 2 last season. We let them linger, bring in their own crappy schemes and set the team back another 3yrs. Now we are going to have to give Dennison 2-3yrs to bring in Olineman that can run his offense? No. You don't be the Browns and fire everybody. This constant changing of schemes is stupid and has caused this drought to go on and on. Keep Dennison at least for this year unless something absolutely drastic happens. Firing him in week 5 of his first year here is silly. Also, I bet half the people calling for G-ro to come back were the same ones calling for his head last year. Edited October 9, 2017 by BillsEnthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Let's not forget Dennison was a linebacker in his playing days. I asked the question before: has there ever been a defensive player that decided to coach offense and went on to have measurable success? Rico is a bright guy, his fallback job if football didn't work out was one of those high level science careers. Unfortunately he's just not a good offensive coordinator. I would love if the Bills took the Bengals route and dismissed him during the bye week. Maybe we'd get lucky with another Anthony Lynn type if Culley was promoted, the current QB coach. Remember, Lynn had never called plays before his promotion either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 We are going to need a hooker, an 8 ball, and a cell phone. All three may be hard to come by in Buffalo.... Been a 17 year drought here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I am not a fan of the play calling but there is a lot more to it. No OC is going to be fired with a 3-2 record. 3-2 with no stand out offensive talent besides McCoy and Clay. The Bills do not have any legit WR's. Nobody that needs to be doubled. Taylor doesnt seem to have any confidence in who he is throwing to and he is still missing chances to make plays. The Oline is not taking to the zone blocking scheme very well. If Dennison calls more passes but Taylor doesnt throw it while taking a sack or scrambling out of bounds then changing the OC will make no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 While this is colossally stupid idea, it is hardly the stupidest ever to emerge from the bowels of this board, I do you give you credit for elevating the stupidity... This is the exact kind of thinking that has lead to 17 playoff-less years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 While this is colossally stupid idea, it is hardly the stupidest ever to emerge from the bowels of this board, I do you give you credit for elevating the stupidity... This is the exact kind of thinking that has lead to 17 playoff-less years. So you're saying you think it might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 So you're saying you think it might work. Could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The even bigger problem is Juan Castillo Offensive Line / Run Game Coordinator Plus Dennison not letting Taylor do what he is best at scramble , run , not pocket and timing passes. This!!! The run game is in the toilet at #12th in the league in rushing after being first the previous two years. 2015-2016. McCoy averaged 4.4 yards per rush in 2015 and 5.4 in 2016 and he is only averaging 3.2 YPC which is less then he has in his entire career. The problem isn't McCoy either as he is doing his Marshawn Lynch in Buffalo impression by getting hit about as soon as he touches the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/11/report-sean-mcdermott-wants-to-bring-mike-mccoy-with-him-as-oc/ https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/10/14233386/mike-mccoy-still-linked-with-sean-mcdermott-as-potential-buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/11/sean-mcdermott-expected-to-hire-mike-mccoy-as-oc-if-hired-by-bills/ McCoy is one of the brightest young minds in the NFL, having spent eight years with Carolina before being hired as the Denver Broncos offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, where he showed that he was capable of adjusting an offense to fit the skill set of varying passers. In 2009, quarterback Kyle Orton enjoyed one of his most successful seasons as a pro, but when he began to regress, he was replaced byTim Tebow.RELATED Instead of trying to pigeonhole Tebow into the Broncos’ current scheme, McCoy completely altered the offense to fit his strengths. Denver relied on a dominant offensive line and rushing attack that kept Tebow from having to rely on his arm. The Broncos led the NFL in rushing with 2,632 yards, while Tebow attempted just 271 passes, rushing for 660 yards and six scores. The plan worked, as Denver posted a 7-4 record under the former Gator ran a lot of read-option. He was never coming to Buffalo, or anywhere else. He made that clear, that Denver was really his only choice. And he was contacted by something like 7 different teams when he was fired by the Chargers. He had options. But for the point of discussion..the theme of the article can't be emphasized enough. McCoy is a coveted coordinator because 1) he knows how game plan to defeat a defense and 2) he can, and will adapt to the players he has. People want to just accept that an OC..or a DC, will run "their" system, that the players must adapt to that system, or an entire squad of new players must be brought in who "fit" that system. It is a bad way to coach and a bad way to run an organization. This is especially true when the coordinator is questionable at best. I will say that I thought he showed a little promise after the Carolina game. He implemented some PA and some bootlegs in the pass game to add a little misdirection. But his continuous use of the stretch play in the run game reminds me of Hackett continuously running the read option with a QB (Manuel), who had little desire to carry the ball. I'd consider firing him if there was a good alternative, I just don't know who would be available. At the very least, this two weeks is a really good time to look back at the 2015-2016 game film and playbook and start putting things in that worked. If you're going to be a run heavy team, which they are...make it a productive run heavy team. This is what is most frustrating...in 2015-16, the Bills finally had some semblance of an offense. But we watched a coach married to a scheme who ruined a high quality D. And for those 2 years, we missed the playoffs because the coach was married to a scheme. Now, the D is back. There is really no reason to miss the playoffs again because a coach is married to a scheme. Go back to what works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 give the man a qb to work with, he's handcuffed by the bridge Apparently he was handcuffed by Peyton Manning and Siemian too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Apparently he was handcuffed by Peyton Manning and Siemian too. Peyton end of career- won a SB. Siemian stinks, Denver D lights out last year. You cant lump the 2 together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 ....if theoretically TT is NOT part of the long term plan, why not utilize his skillset that made 2015 & 2016 far more successful capitalizing on his mobility?.....forcing a "round peg into a square hole" when the "peg" is likely to be gone in 2018 at the expense of winning games doesn't add up IMO.......... They're here to build a winner for the long-term, not just put a band-aid on the current season. A strictly mobile quarterback is not sustainable over the long-term. They love Taylor's character but if he can't function like an NFL quarterback then he's not someone we want to keep around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Great post. I 100 percent agree with you. The most sickening thing is that he turned the number 1 offence last year to mediocre. Just inexcusable on so many levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTO Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't think I've ever openly advocated for anyone to be fired this soon. In no specific order: 1. He was't McD's first choice to be the OC for the Bills; he was essentially the best option left on the table for the Bills. 2. His last stints as OC (Denver and Houston) his offenses have managed to finished 11th; 11th; 10th; and 31st (Houston)....then 18th; 21st (Denver); in points scored (we're currently 26th); much like Rex Ryan, his schemes and gameplans haven't evolved; his offenses have gotten stagnant or worse over the years. And that was with him being linked to Kubiak, who sometimes took over control of the playcalling at halftime according to Denver fans b/c it wasn't working out for the team (as per their message boards). Houston fans were happy to see him leave; Denver fans were really happy to see him leave. How many people here were actually happy to see Lynn leave? Not many. For good reason. 3. The guy is 60yrs old and he wasn't McD's first choice. Forget Tyrod, do we want Rico to be the OC for a rookie QB? Is this the offensive mind we intend to have groom our future QB? Is this the guy that's going to be here for the next 3-5yrs? 4. Dennison, in less than half a season, has managed to turn the #1 rushing offense in the league in 2015/2016, to a bottom-half rushing offense. Shady has one rushing game of +100yds this season; he has 4 consecutive games of garbage. Shady has scored 0 Touchdowns so far. He is averaging 3.2yds per carry. His career low prior to this was 4.1ypc back in his rookie season. 4a. Tyrod is averaging 3.8 yds per rush; and he averaged 6.1 last season. Tyrod has zero rushing TD's as well; he had 6 last season. Tyrod and Shady have combined for ZERO RUSHING TD'S THROUGH 5 GAMES. Let that sink in. This team was built to run the ball and its two main threats have a combined ZERO RUSHING TD'S. How we're even 3-2 is a miracle. 5. Miller and the offensive line dominated the run game last season; they look lost this season. Miller is now being benched in favor of Ducasse. Ducasse is not the future, he's garbage. If Rico thinks Ducasse is better than Miller, then that alone is an indictment of where Rico's worth to this team. This O-line clearly doesn't work well with Rico's run blocking scheme because the majority of the run plays the D-line is blowing up our O-line at the LOS. How many rushes has Shady had for -3 or -4 yards because the defender is in the backfield before Shady even has the ball. What Rico is doing to this offense is no different than what Rex did to the defense. Rico is taking players out of their element and making them perform functions they don't excel at in order to fit his antiquated scheme. Is this the guy we plan on developing our future QB? His play calling is wildly inconsistent, at best; it lacks imagination; it simply doesn't perform. His offenses haven't performed well since at least 2012. Cut the cord now; the Bengals cut it and have vastly improved. We cut it last year with Roman and vastly improved. Rico is not the future for anyone currently on this offense or anyone that we'll be drafting next year. There is a reason why Denver allowed the Bills to interview him and not their other OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Let's not forget Dennison was a linebacker in his playing days. I asked the question before: has there ever been a defensive player that decided to coach offense and went on to have measurable success? Rico is a bright guy, his fallback job if football didn't work out was one of those high level science careers. Unfortunately he's just not a good offensive coordinator. I would love if the Bills took the Bengals route and dismissed him during the bye week. Maybe we'd get lucky with another Anthony Lynn type if Culley was promoted, the current QB coach. Remember, Lynn had never called plays before his promotion either... Who cares if he was a backup linebacker in the NFL? He played wide receiver in college and has spent the last 22 years immersed in Shanahan's offense. Mike Leach didn't even play football and he's one of the greatest college football coaches of all-time. Awful take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 There is not enough talent on offense to win consistently in the NFL. Simple as that, can't blame the OC for not getting production out of a load of backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) If they fire Rico, they will just promote Castillo!!Wash your mouth...er, fingers off with soap! (See, that doesn't really translate well....) . They're here to build a winner for the long-term, not just put a band-aid on the current season. A strictly mobile quarterback is not sustainable over the long-term. They love Taylor's character but if he can't function like an NFL quarterback then he's not someone we want to keep around.SOME mobility is great. A serious running QB won't last too long, IMO. Edited October 10, 2017 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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