Wayne Arnold Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Who knows, maybe Dennison is incompetent. It's quite possible. However, let's say for sake of discussion that he is not. Why would the offense be having such problems after such efficient seasons in 2015 and 2016 if Dennison is in fact good? Offensive Line - Cordy Glenn's injuries, John Miller's regression, Jordan Mills is still Jordan Mills, and the overall learning curve of a new and entirely different blocking scheme has caused the OLine to go from very good to not-so-good. Taylor staying in the pocket - Considering the absence of the read-option play and Taylor remaining in the pocket like a prototypical NFL quarterback, it's been much easier for opposing defenses to stop the run. They don't have to take Taylor's mobility into account nearly as often. You could say, "Then why doesn't Dennison put in the read-option and let Tyrod run more?!" And I would say it's a call the entire organization made before the season began: seeing if Taylor could be a real NFL quarterback who could pick opposing defenses apart with his arm. Wide Receiver unit - A regression in the skill and talent from this unit considering injuries and other factors. Without having to pay quite as much attention to the WR's, opposing defenses can stack the line and dare Taylor to beat them with his arm. Tyrod Taylor is still a flawed NFL QB - Taylor still has trouble making his progressions at a sufficient rate, still lacks pocket awareness, and still refuses to attempt to throw receivers open on a consistent basis. Whether the wide receivers can make the play or not - it's Taylor's responsibility to attempt the passes instead of hesitating and taking the sack. Because of this, he hasn't been able to keep defenses honest and prevent them from stacking the line. Couldn't all four of these things be true? And if so, wouldn't that result in the offense's regression even with a talented offensive coordinator? Edited October 9, 2017 by Wayne Arnold
Gugny Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Ok. So you want Dennison coaching up a 1st round rookie QB, and requiring at least 3 new offensive linemen bc the current olinemen we have cant block in his scheme? Miller was rated as one of the best OG last season; a really good young player. And now hes benched in favor of Ducasse. DUCASSE?! We dont owe Dennison anything. He clearly wasnt McD's first choice. Its not working. Cut it loose now. Seriously, I have not previously heard that Dennison was not McDermott's first choice. Is there a link, or can you tell me how you know this?
Marty McFly Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Ok. So you want Dennison coaching up a 1st round rookie QB, and requiring at least 3 new offensive linemen bc the current olinemen we have cant block in his scheme? Miller was rated as one of the best OG last season; a really good young player. And now hes benched in favor of Ducasse. DUCASSE?! We dont owe Dennison anything. He clearly wasnt McD's first choice. Its not working. Cut it loose now. Agree. Cut it before the stench sticks to the rookie QB we draft. Dennison is every bit as bad as Hackett. Find a dynamic OC and draft Tyrod's replacement. Let Sean run the defense. Sadly i dont think derm has the stones to fire him. And Pegs will be advised against it.
Ayjent Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 This offense is the product of a bad OC - yes the talent at WR and TE isn't good, but running stretch zone plays, not utilizing play action and benching good players is on the OC. They had good coaching with the same talent up front the past two years and they could run the ball. Don't oversell yourself on how good the WRs were the past two years - they were better than these guys now, sure - but not exactly a group that instilled fear.
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I don't care about his past with other teams. There is not an OC in history who could make this offense decent with the current roster. You don't think there's an OC in history that could make the rushing offense better than 28th in rushing YPA? I can think of 2. Hint: they both coached the Bills last year, when our rush offense was #1.
CardinalScotts Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Wood and Incognito have hit the wall, they were running around like the Keystone cops. In specifically Richie at 34 years old. John Miller has fallen out of favor, Vlad is brutal but Castillo's boy. Mills is a dime a dozen tackle, Dawkins was drafted to be a right tackle and forced to play left which the outside shoulder to punch with is not his strongest arm. Your wide receivers that the opposing team doesnt respect or Zay Jones and Tate. You lose Clay and you have O'Leary running around not near the threat Clay is. Fire the OC ? He's an offensive coordinator we are expecting the qb to make up for lack of players ? He's a descent qb but not capable of that. Chill out take the week off, they can't lose next week and we'll see where we are two Sundays from now Edited October 9, 2017 by CardinalScotts
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 Seriously, I have not previously heard that Dennison was not McDermott's first choice. Is there a link, or can you tell me how you know this? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/11/report-sean-mcdermott-wants-to-bring-mike-mccoy-with-him-as-oc/ https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/10/14233386/mike-mccoy-still-linked-with-sean-mcdermott-as-potential-buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/11/sean-mcdermott-expected-to-hire-mike-mccoy-as-oc-if-hired-by-bills/ McCoy is one of the brightest young minds in the NFL, having spent eight years with Carolina before being hired as the Denver Broncos offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, where he showed that he was capable of adjusting an offense to fit the skill set of varying passers. In 2009, quarterback Kyle Orton enjoyed one of his most successful seasons as a pro, but when he began to regress, he was replaced byTim Tebow. RELATED Instead of trying to pigeonhole Tebow into the Broncos’ current scheme, McCoy completely altered the offense to fit his strengths. Denver relied on a dominant offensive line and rushing attack that kept Tebow from having to rely on his arm. The Broncos led the NFL in rushing with 2,632 yards, while Tebow attempted just 271 passes, rushing for 660 yards and six scores. The plan worked, as Denver posted a 7-4 record under the former Gator ran a lot of read-option.
Gugny Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/11/report-sean-mcdermott-wants-to-bring-mike-mccoy-with-him-as-oc/ https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/10/14233386/mike-mccoy-still-linked-with-sean-mcdermott-as-potential-buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/11/sean-mcdermott-expected-to-hire-mike-mccoy-as-oc-if-hired-by-bills/ McCoy is one of the brightest young minds in the NFL, having spent eight years with Carolina before being hired as the Denver Broncos offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, where he showed that he was capable of adjusting an offense to fit the skill set of varying passers. In 2009, quarterback Kyle Orton enjoyed one of his most successful seasons as a pro, but when he began to regress, he was replaced byTim Tebow.RELATED Ahhh, yes. I remember now. Thanks!
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I second his nomination for the position of ex-coach. Whar's Gailry up to? Youngmack, my good fellow.. you are spot on! We can only imagine the vicious array of screens that THE CHANIMAL would draw up for Shady
GoBills808 Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Watkins and Woods were both out last yr at the same time. Shady got injured in the same game vs the Dolphins. We were missing Sammy, Woods, and Shady. And we still moved the ball, on the road, and scored what 25pts? Its been done. Problem #1 the Oline cant run block. Thats a pretty large problem when youre built to run the ball, wouldnt you say? Its the equivalent of putting racing tires on a wrangler and being surprised when it cant function Offroad OK so: last year through 5 games we had, offensively: -Played the Ravens, Jets, Cards, Pats, and Rams -833 passing yards -686 rushing yards -82 first downs -23.4 ppg This year through five games we have, offensively: -played the Jets, Panthers, Broncos, Falcons, and Bengals -825 passing yards -533 rushing yards -81 first downs -17.8 ppg By my estimation, averaging the 2016 end of year defensive rankings of yards and PPG of the defenses we played last season, as compared to the defenses we've faced this year thus far, we have played a more difficult slate of games through five games in 2017 than in 2016. It does not surprise me, then, that rushing yards and PPG are off the pace of last year. It's similarly unsurprising (to me at least) that we're right on pace for the same output from the passing game, and have gained the same amount of first downs in total. Finally, it is wholly, completely, and utterly unsurprising that Bills fans are calling for the OC to be fired already.
Gugny Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Youngmack, my good fellow.. you are spot on! We can only imagine the vicious array of screens that THE CHANIMAL would draw up for Shady Ye Ole, where the hell you been, man?
NewEra Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 The even bigger problem is Juan Castillo Offensive Line / Run Game Coordinator Plus Dennison not letting Taylor do what he is best at scramble , run , not pocket and timing passes. 100%. Need to fire this bum
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 this was talked about last season.... How many more OC's shall we run through before we find one that can make TT great?
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 this was talked about last season.... How many more OC's shall we run through before we find one that can make TT great? Theres only been 1 OC change. Roman. And that was done bc rex couldnt fire himself. Lynn became a HC on the backs of TT and Shady.
Fan in San Diego Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 We need someone who designs plays to the players we have, not make the players fit the scheme. Anyways, I wouldn't be opposed to a change at the OC position.
billsfan_34 Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Get a grip, OP. Until we have a franchise QB and receivers this offense will swirl the drain. Also, without our starting LT in the game we cant run off the left side.
offyourocker Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I second his nomination for the position of ex-coach. Whar's Gailry up to? Gailey would do wonders with Tyrod
Fadingpain Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I second his nomination for the position of ex-coach. Whar's Gailry up to? One thing I will note: we have made OC changes recently and seen pretty big improvements right away, suggesting that you really can boost an offense by changing the guy drawing up and calling the plays. Why not? Our offense looks horrid, and I don't think Tyrod's running asset is being used correctly....meaning....it's not being used hardly at all.
Game Manager Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 give the man a qb to work with, he's handcuffed by the bridge
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