transplantbillsfan Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Actually, Peterman is BETTER option for this offense. Peterman is the Quicker thrower. Peterman makes faster reads and faster decisions. Peterman can run just as well as Tyrod does, Argument for Tyrod is that he is ball safe. I'd argue Peterman is even better in this respect. Over their collegiate careers, Peterman had better TD-INT ratio than Tyrod: 47-17 vs 44-20. Peterman >>> Tyrod. Blech!!!! Did someone seriously just bring in collegiate stats for a 7th year NFL vet as some point of comparison?!?! Incredible! Relying on preseason stats - good or bad - to assess a player is silly. You look for things like footwork, decisiveness, accuracy, leadership, etc. In preseason, the stats could be good or bad based on many factors. When I watched Peterman, he looked better than Tyrod at all of the things at which Tyrod stinks. Obviously, Tyrod is more mobile/dangerous with his feet. But that's not what we need. Obviously. Peterman has one of the weakest NFL arms I've seen. I like all the things you mentioned and still think he'll get exposed because of that. Brady has proven you can improve arm strength and compensate, but the kid needs time to develop his game. We have a starting QB who looks bad on most weeks. Most, as in, he's had about 4 good games in 30+ starts. We know what he is. Why not go with an unknown in a season that we're clearly going nowhere? WTF?!?! So now Taylor's only had 4 good games and every other one has been bad?! This is just a ridiculous line of thinking. And it's also completely false.
Gugny Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 So now Taylor's only had 4 good games and every other one has been bad?! This is just a ridiculous line of thinking. And it's also completely false. I beg to differ. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. I already gave 2/4.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 So now Taylor's only had 4 good games and every other one has been bad?! This is just a ridiculous line of thinking. Seattle and Miami last season is 2. Both Losses.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 @Cover_1_ The #Bills have surrendered 18 sacks in five games. How many are on Taylor? Link: http://www.cover1.net/tyrod-taylor-needs-to-minimize-the-amount-of-sacks-he-takes/ The Buffalo Bills’ record sits at 3-2 and the team can thank its defense and field goal units for that. The offense and its quarterback, by contrast, have been under fire going into the bye week. The quarterback being under heat is nothing new for Taylor. He is used to being critiqued on a weekly basis. This season is a little different, however, because he hasn’t been able to lean on LeSean McCoy and the running game. At times Taylor has looked spectacular in the passing game, mostly coming off of play action and bootlegs. This was expected; it’s why I and many others thought he was a great fit for this scheme, which uses stretch fakes and naked bootlegs to get its QB on the perimeter and in a position to complete easy passes or run, if needed. According to Pro Football Focus, Taylor has run play action 26.9% of the time, which ranks him 4th behind Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brissett, and Jay Cutler. But what stands out the most is the differential in completion percentage between play action passes and non play action passes. Taylor has completed +13% (#1) or 71.8% of his passes when throwing from play action. Additionally, his yards per attempt is the sixth-highest at 10.1 but the third lowest YPA (5.3), when no play fake is executed. In short, this offense relies on the play action game to generate big plays down the field without an abundance of top tier receiving talent. Taylor has struggled in the drop back game, registering a 58.8 completion percentage and a 74.5 NFL QB rating, which is the 4th-lowest in the NFL. His struggles from the pocket are mainly due to his tendency to hold the ball and, ultimately, not pull the trigger. That tendency has led to him to take 18 sacks in 5 games! That is the 2nd-most in the NFL prior to week six. Now, not all of them are on Taylor. Pro Football Focus (PFF) charged Taylor with five thus far, which is still a lot compared to the first five games last season, in which he only accounted for one. Sure, there are many factors as to why he took fewer last season, but I am not going to focus on them. I want to focus on the context of each of the sacks that I believe were on him.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Taylor has struggled in the drop back game, registering a 58.8 completion percentage and a 74.5 NFL QB rating, which is the 4th-lowest in the NFL. His struggles from the pocket are mainly due to his tendency to hold the ball and, ultimately, not pull the trigger. Some things will never change. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
grb Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Some things will never change. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Is it time again? Oh heck; why not : No one can say Watkins and Woods were close to being a premier pair of receivers in the NFL. They were decent - even good - but not anything exceptionally special. But yet in the (15) games where both Watkins and Woods played, Taylor had : 63.6% completions, 8.25 yards per attempt, 27 touchdowns to only 6 interceptions. So you see the problem, right? Poor Mr. Taylor supposedly can't do anything right - not even the most basic quarterbacking skills - but just give him a medium-grade pair of targets, and suddenly it seems he can do pretty damn right after all. Kinda makes you think, huh? Edited October 16, 2017 by grb
John from Riverside Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Seattle and Miami last season is 2. Both Losses. Wins and Losses is a team stat
Lurker Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Is it time again? Oh heck; why not : No one can say Watkins and Woods were close to being a premier pair of receivers in the NFL. They were decent - even good - but not anything exceptionally special. But yet in the (15) games where both Watkins and Woods played, Taylor had : 63.6% completions, 8.25 yards per attempt, 27 touchdowns to only 6 interceptions. So you see the problem, right? Poor Mr. Taylor supposedly can't do anything right - not even the most basic quarterbacking skills - but just give him a medium-grade pair of targets, and suddenly it seems he can do pretty damn right after all. Kinda makes you think, huh? Let's add another difference. Being in third-and-short more often in 2016 sure trumps being in third-and-long in 2017....
GoBills808 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Is it time again? Oh heck; why not : No one can say Watkins and Woods were close to being a premier pair of receivers in the NFL. They were decent - even good - but not anything exceptionally special. But yet in the (15) games where both Watkins and Woods played, Taylor had : 63.6% completions, 8.25 yards per attempt, 27 touchdowns to only 6 interceptions. So you see the problem, right? Poor Mr. Taylor supposedly can't do anything right - not even the most basic quarterbacking skills - but just give him a medium-grade pair of targets, and suddenly it seems he can do pretty damn right after all. Kinda makes you think, huh? Which 15 games were those?
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 To answer the OP's question: very simple. Peterman could play worse. He could have a lower completion percentage (such as he had during pre-season vs. TT in the regular season), He could throw more picks than TT. He could take more sacks because he isn't as elusive. And so on.
grb Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Which 15 games were those? As noted, the (15) games where Watkins and Woods played. The remainder of Taylor's starts in his first two years one or both were injured and out. Thus the Brandon Tates, Walter Powells, and Justin Hunters of yore. Now, if someone really wanted to quibble, he might point out half of those Watkin's games were played on a broken foot. But that would be gilding the lily, point-wise.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Wins and Losses is a team stat Correct John. But my point was he best wasn't good enough. Nor does it make an excuse for only having 2 great games a season.
Billsmovinup Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 We have a starting QB who looks bad on most weeks. Most, as in, he's had about 4 good games in 30+ starts. We know what he is. Why not go with an unknown in a season that we're clearly going nowhere? I know I'll get - "We're (3-2) and in the hunt," from many people. Why? Why are we (3-2)? We are (3-2) because our defense is overperforming/getting lucky with tipped balls. We're (3-2) because of a BS unsportsmanlike call against Von Miller. One thing is certain - we are not (3-2) because of stellar QB play. I'm tired of winning in spite of having a crappy QB. I want to win because we have a good QB. As long as Peterman sits on the sidelines, we won't know if he's good, bad, great or horrible. What would it hurt to take a look? Whole lot of stupid going on here!
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Is it time again? Oh heck; why not : No one can say Watkins and Woods were close to being a premier pair of receivers in the NFL. They were decent - even good - but not anything exceptionally special. But yet in the (15) games where both Watkins and Woods played, Taylor had : 63.6% completions, 8.25 yards per attempt, 27 touchdowns to only 6 interceptions. So you see the problem, right? Poor Mr. Taylor supposedly can't do anything right - not even the most basic quarterbacking skills - but just give him a medium-grade pair of targets, and suddenly it seems he can do pretty damn right after all. Kinda makes you think, huh? OK Mrs Taylor. Sorry I had to see how that looked. See last post. 2 of 16 is horrible. Period.
GoBills808 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 As noted, the (15) games where Watkins and Woods played. The remainder of Taylor's starts in his first two years one or both were injured and out. Thus the Brandon Tates, Walter Powells, and Justin Hunters of yore. Now, if someone really wanted to quibble, he might point out half of those Watkin's games were played on a broken foot. But that would be gilding the lily, point-wise. I meant, against which opponents?
billieve420 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 We have a starting QB who looks bad on most weeks. Most, as in, he's had about 4 good games in 30+ starts. We know what he is. Why not go with an unknown in a season that we're clearly going nowhere? I know I'll get - "We're (3-2) and in the hunt," from many people. Why? Why are we (3-2)? We are (3-2) because our defense is overperforming/getting lucky with tipped balls. We're (3-2) because of a BS unsportsmanlike call against Von Miller. One thing is certain - we are not (3-2) because of stellar QB play. I'm tired of winning in spite of having a crappy QB. I want to win because we have a good QB. As long as Peterman sits on the sidelines, we won't know if he's good, bad, great or horrible. What would it hurt to take a look? Because Peterman hasn't earned it. How would it look to the rest of the team that a QB with a winning record has been benched for rookie QB who hasn't proven anything in this league. McDermott could have went that route in the beginning of the year when Tyrod got hurt and Peterman flashed in the preseason. They know he isn't ready. Tyrod has the support of the locker room and no one secretly has been clamoring for Peterman to play. Why? Because they know Tyrod gives them the best chance to win this year. Peterman needs to keep preparing and be ready for his chance. If it happens he needs to play well to keep Tyrod on the bench and from getting his job back. Until then it is Tyrod's team and the team should be trying to play to his strengths. They need to figure out the run game to alleviate pressure off the QB and opening up throwing lanes by moving the pocket more. Bringing back the read option would also be a start. Regardless if anyone agrees or not the offense was built on running the ball and we can't do that effectively so it shouldn't be any surprise to see the offense struggling.
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 It's amazing that us Bills fans are on 38 pages of a thread started by a Patriot fan troll....
reddogblitz Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) I think this has more to do with backing up our decision to pay Taylor starter salary then how things are shaping up on the practice field, but we have rumors... Do you think it is more important to Coach McDermott and GM Beane to "backup" thier decision to pay Hotrod, or win football games? Edited October 16, 2017 by reddogblitz
klos63 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 To answer the OP's question: very simple. Peterman could play worse. He could have a lower completion percentage (such as he had during pre-season vs. TT in the regular season), He could throw more picks than TT. He could take more sacks because he isn't as elusive. And so on. He could play as poorly as a Cleveland QB
John from Riverside Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 Correct John. But my point was he best wasn't good enough. Nor does it make an excuse for only having 2 great games a season. He has to have someone to throw it to Shady..... I thought last year's targets were bad...this year our running game is anemic...our replacement for woods forgot how to catch.....his top deep threat is a TE who is hurt....and Mathews broke his finger Gotta take it ALL into consideration......when you are qb not named brady this is gonna be a tough deal
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