grb Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 The Tyrod damage control team is going to be putting in lots of overtime this year. I'm curious : Do we get time-and-a-half for that?
Bangarang Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 I'm curious : Do we get time-and-a-half for that? But of course
grb Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 Spare me the "agenda" garbage. Once in a while Taylor can get out of a sack no other quarterback can. But we're more likely to see Taylor sacked because he held the ball too long than we are to see Taylor contort his body and use his athleticism to avoid a sack. Definitely true. After all, Taylor takes two-tenths of a second more on average to throw the ball than Mathew Stafford or Aaron Rodgers. A little over one-tenth more than Dak, who strangely enuff has only been sacked seven times to Taylor's eighteen. That's a mighty potent one-tenth a second !!! Stranger still? Taylor has Jared, Russell, and Deshaun all beat in time-to-throw, and they have seven, eight, and twelve sacks respectively. Gosh. If so many people hadn't convinced me the Bills' offense line was perfect - the sack problem all Taylor's fault - I might be tempted to see the evidence as suggesting otherwise.......
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 I have pretty much bowed out of this discussion but.....quite honestly he has not played that badly...he is doing many of the things people say he cannot do (like throw over the middle) and the team is 3-2 with wins over quality teams. He isnt a franchise guy.....we probably draft a qb next year.....what exactly is the problem?
transplantbillsfan Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) This thread is still going? What did the OP originally ask? How could a switch to Peterman be any worse? Well, Peterman could have a game like week one this year for Andy Dalton where Dalton through zero TDs and four INTs. or like Ryan Fitzpatrick in 2016 against the Chiefs where he threw zero TDs and six INTs or like Gino Smith against us a few years back when he threw eight passes total and had three interceptions. It can get worse. It can get a lot worse. You can bring in all the arguments you want about an ineffective offense, but I guarantee that McDermott would prefer a stagnant and even ineffective offense that protects the football and doesn't turn the ball over to an offense that takes chances and turns the ball over. We have a defense oriented head coach. That's what it is and the way things are. You guys want to have this conversation, that's fine. But it's pretty useless considering Peterman isn't going in there until were either out of the playoff hunt or Taylor is injured. And those of you who are wishing for an injury (and I know there are some of you who want Taylor to get hurt so that Peterman can be put in), you really assume an awful lot, like that you know a lot more than our head coach. We're winning games we were never supposed to win his way. It really looks like we have a shot at the playoffs with the way this team is playing and our schedule actually seems to soften up a little. Putting Peterman in and allowing him to be potentially exposed as he turns the ball over significantly more than the game managing Taylor is problematic for the way our head coach wants to win games. That's why Taylor remains in there and why Peterman won't see the field until the scenarios I said above. Now go ahead and wish for an injury, but shame on you. The rest of us are going to watch and root for the playoffs with Taylor at the helm. Edited October 13, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
Bangarang Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 The whole Tyrod doesnt turn the ball over is about as weak as he doesnt throw for 300 yards
Captain Murica Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 The Tyrod damage control team is going to be putting in lots of overtime this year. There should be a union for this. With benefits of course.
transplantbillsfan Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) The whole Tyrod doesnt turn the ball over is about as weak as he doesnt throw for 300 yardsNo it's really not. Not for a defensive minded HC. I heard 2 separate interviews from Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcels about QB play and what they look for in QBs and (unprompted, mind you) BOTH of these HOF head coaches said is to protect the football and not turn the ball over. They even uttered the phrase "a punt is a good thing." If we had an offensive minded head coach, then maybe I would agree with you. But my bet is that one of the biggest reasons Taylor is still our starting QB under our defensive minded head coach Sean McDermott is because of how well he protects the football and doesn't turn it over so that our defense is allowed to keep our team in games and even win games for us. Does McDermott seem to you to care about offense of firepower? I think our team would've done a bit more to address our offense of weapons in the off-season if that were the case and wouldn't have traded away our most explosive offense of weapon. McDermott is thinking about the future but seeing that he can win right now with a team that is playing lights out defensively and the way you help that defense is by not killing them with multiple costly turnovers in games. So no, I'm sorry but I disagree. Protecting the football might be over blown in your eyes or any other random message board dude's eyes or any random football fan's eyes, but football coaches especially (defense oriented coaches) really value that trait. Edited October 13, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
Bangarang Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 No it's really not. Not for a defensive minded HC. Tell me more about what McD thinks I heard 2 separate interviews from Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcels about QB play and what they look for in QBs and (unprompted, mind you) BOTH of these HOF head coaches said is to protect the football and not turn the ball over. They even uttered the phrase "a punt is a good thing." What do the opinions of Johnson and Parcells have to do with McD? If we had an offensive minded head coach, then maybe I would agree with you. But my bet is that one of the biggest reasons Taylor is still our starting QB under our defensive minded head coach Sean McDermott is because of how well he protects the football and doesn't turn it over so that our defense is allowed to keep our team in games and even win games for us. Maybe, but that will only get you so far. I dont think it matters that McDs experience comes from the defensive side. Tyrod would probably be the same limited passer regardless. Hes just making die with what he has. Does McDermott seem to you to care about offense of firepower? I think our team would've done a bit more to address our offense of weapons in the off-season if that were the case and wouldn't have traded away our most explosive offense of weapon. McDermott is thinking about the future but seeing that he can win right now with a team that is playing lights out defensively and the way you help that defense is by not killing them with multiple costly turnovers in games. I think this was a throw away year. The plan was to install the schemes, cut the fat and see who can play and be here going forward. You know what else helps a good defense? Scoring points on offense. I bet McD would sign up for that.. dont you? So no, I'm sorry but I disagree. Protecting the football might be over blown in your eyes or any other random message board dude's eyes or any random football fan's eyes, but football coaches especially (defense oriented coaches) really value that trait. I never said they didnt value that. But if thats essentially the only thing you can hang your hat on then it speaks volumes about the production youre getting from your QB.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 I have pretty much bowed out of this discussion but.....quite honestly he has not played that badly...he is doing many of the things people say he cannot do (like throw over the middle) and the team is 3-2 with wins over quality teams. He isnt a franchise guy.....we probably draft a qb next year.....what exactly is the problem? The over the middle crap is all BS imo Progression, real progression is what is missing
grb Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) Hope is a waking dream : Aristotle Not to be a sourpuss, but there are three problems with Petermania : (1) Never has so many back-up dreams been based on so little. Usually the backup makes a splash in preseason with big-time plays and gaudy numbers - by (yes) facing third-stringers, future Sears salesmen, and vanilla defenses. But Peterman completed just 54% of his passes for 5.4 yards per attempt. His longest throw was only 28 yards. Petermanics thrill to the memory of a ten yard slant (it was soooooo perfect), forgetting the wildly inaccurate throws it was sandwiched between. Taylor's bad outtings playing meaningful games against some of the league's most brutal defenses are barely worse than Peterman's entire preseason record. (2) Right now the Bills have no running attack, an offensive line which frequently implodes, a (temporary, we hope) head case for one receiver, several punt returners for other receivers, and the very definition of a journeyman pulled off the scrap heap topping the group off. Prior to Cincinnati, Taylor was in the top-quarter of the NFL making plus-twenty yard pass plays with pretty much a tight end and running back alone. Then, of course, he lost the tight end. Instead of dreamily believing Nathan can make more of this dung hill, why not ask how Taylor 's been able to accomplish what he has? Setting aside raw attempts, who has made more with less? And here's a question : How exactly is poor NP going to stretch the field? If you found the 4.7 ypa Bengal's game ugly, what do you expect Peterman to produce? Ya ain't seen nutt'n yet, dink and dunk-wise. (3) Taylor and Peterman were both late-round picks for a reason. In both cases there were / are problems with their game. Believe it or not, Taylor is at least an average quarterback today. Given decent NFL-grade talent to play with, he's looked pretty solid. But that has been an accomplishment of years of hard work on both his strengths and weaknesses. If Flacco had gone down Taylor's rookie year, I'd bet anything TT would have flamed-out years ago. Peterman has a chance to beat the odds too, but I don't think it will come from being dumped into the Bills' cesspool offense. The Petermanics' dreamy best wishes may kill their man with kindness..... Edited October 14, 2017 by grb
transplantbillsfan Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 I never said they didnt value that. But if thats essentially the only thing you can hang your hat on then it speaks volumes about the production youre getting from your QB. It's not the only thing. I just think it's the most valuable thing for McDermott. Call it speculation if you like. I call it deductive reasoning.
Bangarang Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 It's not the only thing. I just think it's the most valuable thing for McDermott. Call it speculation if you like. I call it deductive reasoning. Well brother, you and I will simply have to disagree here.
Augie Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 How could it be worse? Try 0-5, that would be worse. Anything less than 3-2 and tied for first in the division would be worse than where we are now. Bad timing to ask a weak question. I feel dirty for posting here.... Last year's offense and we might be undefeated - WITH Tyrod. He's not the main problem.
Perk71 Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 This thread is still going? What did the OP originally ask? How could a switch to Peterman be any worse? Well, Peterman could have a game like week one this year for Andy Dalton where Dalton through zero TDs and four INTs. or like Ryan Fitzpatrick in 2016 against the Chiefs where he threw zero TDs and six INTs or like Gino Smith against us a few years back when he threw eight passes total and had three interceptions. It can get worse. It can get a lot worse. You can bring in all the arguments you want about an ineffective offense, but I guarantee that McDermott would prefer a stagnant and even ineffective offense that protects the football and doesn't turn the ball over to an offense that takes chances and turns the ball over. We have a defense oriented head coach. That's what it is and the way things are. You guys want to have this conversation, that's fine. But it's pretty useless considering Peterman isn't going in there until were either out of the playoff hunt or Taylor is injured. And those of you who are wishing for an injury (and I know there are some of you who want Taylor to get hurt so that Peterman can be put in), you really assume an awful lot, like that you know a lot more than our head coach. We're winning games we were never supposed to win his way. It really looks like we have a shot at the playoffs with the way this team is playing and our schedule actually seems to soften up a little. Putting Peterman in and allowing him to be potentially exposed as he turns the ball over significantly more than the game managing Taylor is problematic for the way our head coach wants to win games. That's why Taylor remains in there and why Peterman won't see the field until the scenarios I said above. Now go ahead and wish for an injury, but shame on you. The rest of us are going to watch and root for the playoffs with Taylor at the helm. I don't wish injury on anyone. You mention that it could be worse, but it also could be a lot better. Everyone has their own opinion. If everyone thought the same then life would be boring. Go Bills!
transplantbillsfan Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Well brother, you and I will simply have to disagree here. Not a problem.
Thrivefourfive Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 So was I. And they lost. My then 7 year old grandson was sobbing, "The Bills always lose." Boy, was he prescient. He shouldve been siting next to me and my pops. I drag my dad all the way from LA County. Our seats are behind the endzone and a little to the right of the left upright, if youre looking at the field. Maybe 10 rows up. There was a big wall in the endzone at the Murph. Do you remember what happened at the end? I do...because the ball was kicked right at me. Chip shot. Wide left. Bills lose. That was my second ever Bills game. The first was during the Super Bowl years. They lost to the Raiders in the Coleseum, 24-3, think. Then I watched them lose to the Chargers a few more times...once when Rob had a decent game, but threw a pick late to seal it for the Bolts. Also traveled to the Big Toaster to see a 4-0 Bills squad with Trent Edwards at the helm get crushed by a Super Bowl Cardinals machine. Again, a perfect view, this time of Edwards getting knocked out cold. So yeah, Ive never scene the Bills win in person. My hopes are nonexistent.
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 Definitely true. After all, Taylor takes two-tenths of a second more on average to throw the ball than Mathew Stafford or Aaron Rodgers. A little over one-tenth more than Dak, who strangely enuff has only been sacked seven times to Taylor's eighteen. That's a mighty potent one-tenth a second !!! Stranger still? Taylor has Jared, Russell, and Deshaun all beat in time-to-throw, and they have seven, eight, and twelve sacks respectively. Gosh. If so many people hadn't convinced me the Bills' offense line was perfect - the sack problem all Taylor's fault - I might be tempted to see the evidence as suggesting otherwise....... What people dont want to mention is Tyrods actual improvement in this area....he has been throwing the ball away when nothing is there much more this season....but some people sadly cant remember past the last game
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