Jim Harbaugh

[bbb]

There is no way Michigan is firing Harbaugh..............They were irrelevant before he got there - for a number of years.

[Mark Vader]

When Harbaugh left the 49ers the operation collapsed. The franchise still has not fully recovered since he was fired. When he left Stanford and David Shaw was hired the program for the most part didn't skip a beat. The point I'm making here is that you have to build an infrastructure so if and when he leaves the operation has a foundation to sustain itself.

 

See post #19.

Have you seen Stanford lately?

 

That's alright though. Historically Stanford is not a traditional college football powerhouse.

 

He is the best turnaround coach there is. I don't dispute that for a second. But the exact thing that makes him the best turnaround coach - that intensity - is what stops him being a Champion coach and, as John C says, makes his shelf life short.

So let me ask this.

 

If Michigan loses to Penn State & Ohio State, should Michigan fire Harbaugh?

Edited October 9, 2017 by Mark Vader

[GunnerBill]

 

If Michigan loses to Penn State & Ohio State, should Michigan fire Harbaugh?

I don't think Michigan should fire Harbaugh. I just don't think they will ever win a National Championship with him. I think in all probability he jumps back to the NFL before there is any question of a firing.

[JohnC]

Have you seen Stanford lately?

 

 

For the most part Stanford has been consistently good under Shaw since the departure of Harbaugh. This isn't Alabama where football takes a priority over literacy. If you review the Pac 12 where no program is guaranteed to dominate, including USC, Stanford has had more than a respectable record.

[Bill from NYC]

For the most part Stanford has been consistently good under Shaw since the departure of Harbaugh. This isn't Alabama where football takes a priority over literacy. If you review the Pac 12 where no program is guaranteed to dominate, including USC, Stanford has had more than a respectable record.

As I said, it's like clockwork. One close game and out crawl the jealous, the extremely bitter, and the haters . I am however surprised to see it from you John.

 

Since his arrival, Saban has been responsible for bringing in hundreds of millions to the school, the majority used for academic programs. Their academic rating has climbed and their tuition is affordable. Many extremely poor kids of all colors and ethnicities have turned their lives around by attending the University of Alabama, hatred and jealousy notwithstanding.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Bill from NYC

[JohnC]

As I said, it's like clockwork. One close game and out crawl the jealous, the extremely bitter, and the haters . I am however surprised to see it from you John.

 

Since his arrival, Saban has been responsible for bringing in hundreds of millions to the school, the majority used for academic programs. Their academic rating has climbed and their tuition is affordable. Many extremely poor kids of all colors and ethnicities have turned their lives around by attending the University of Alabama, hatred and jealousy notwithstanding.

Bill, What are you talking about? Haters? Are you serious? Anyone who makes a comment that you perceive as being critical to the Crimson Tide sets you off in a torrent of vitriol.

 

I made the point that Stanford is dealing with a different academic standard, an immensely more rigorous standard, that schools such as Alabama, Mississippi, LSU, Clemson, USC etc don't have to contend with. That is a fact! If it bothers you then that is your problem.

 

I didn't say that Bama runs a dirty program like some others. All I said and insinuated is that Stanford has challenges due to academics that many of the other major football programs don't have to worry about. If that isn't a true statement then tell me why it isn't so?

 

What the heck is the matter with you? You act as if someone made an inappropriate comment about a family member. Cool down and respond to what is actually being said instead of going off like a rabid dog because of what you perceived to be said.

[row_33]

Michigan football isnt totally about winning, as much as at other schools. It was a lesson learned during my 6 or so years of season tickets during the Llllloyd Era.

[YoloinOhio]

Michigan football isnt totally about winning, as much as at other schools. It was a lesson learned during my 6 or so years of season tickets during the Llllloyd Era.

what is it about?

[Mark Vader]

As I said, it's like clockwork. One close game and out crawl the jealous, the extremely bitter, and the haters . I am however surprised to see it from you John.

 

Since his arrival, Saban has been responsible for bringing in hundreds of millions to the school, the majority used for academic programs. Their academic rating has climbed and their tuition is affordable. Many extremely poor kids of all colors and ethnicities have turned their lives around by attending the University of Alabama, hatred and jealousy notwithstanding.

I don't think that what JohnC said was hateful.

 

Although it was definitely pompous.

[Bill from NYC]

Bill, What are you talking about? Haters? Are you serious? Anyone who makes a comment that you perceive as being critical to the Crimson Tide sets you off in a torrent of vitriol.

 

I made the point that Stanford is dealing with a different academic standard, an immensely more rigorous standard, that schools such as Alabama, Mississippi, LSU, Clemson, USC etc don't have to contend with. That is a fact! If it bothers you then that is your problem.

 

I didn't say that Bama runs a dirty program like some others. All I said and insinuated is that Stanford has challenges due to academics that many of the other major football programs don't have to worry about. If that isn't a true statement then tell me why it isn't so?

 

What the heck is the matter with you? You act as if someone made an inappropriate comment about a family member. Cool down and respond to what is actually being said instead of going off like a rabid dog because of what you perceived to be said.

John, sorry if I came on too strong. Did you? I'll leave this for you to decide.

 

As far as Stanford is concerned, they are a top 10 academic university year after year, right there with the Ivies. Now, do you think their football team is held to these standards? Really? I strongly doubt if they are fielding a squad of 80 or so Ryan Fitzpatricks. Is this what you think is happening at Stanford?

 

I got annoyed because I felt that you singled out The Tide. Bama may not have the same academic system in place for football players as does Harvard, but neither does Stanford.

 

10 years ago when my oldest daughter was in undergrad, Delaware was the school that hundreds of downstate students would go to when they either couldn't get into or couldn't afford the Ivies. Now, many of them are applying to and attending Alabama. Because of the money football brings in, tuition is reasonable and the school (including their law school and other grad schools) have moved up in the rankings. They are not doing things much differently than other universities, they are just doing it much better than most.

[JohnC]

I don't think that what JohnC said was hateful.

 

Although it was definitely pompous.

What was pompous about it?

[YoloinOhio]

Clay Travis calls Jim Harbaugh nation's most overrated coach

https://ohiostate.247sports.com/Bolt/Clay-Travis-calls-Jim-Harbaugh-nations-most-overrated-coach-108654297

[JohnC]

 

 

John, sorry if I came on too strong. Did you? I'll leave this for you to decide.

 

As far as making a comment that was demeaning to your beloved institution your interpretation of what I said is not only wrong but absurdly wrong. Your response is your response. It had no relationship to what I actually said.

 

 

 

As far as Stanford is concerned, they are a top 10 academic university year after year, right there with the Ivies. Now, do you think their football team is held to these standards? Really? I strongly doubt if they are fielding a squad of 80 or so Ryan Fitzpatricks. Is this what you think is happening at Stanford?

 

Do you honestly think that I am naïve enough to believe that a large percentage of the football players would get in Stanford if they applied separate from the football program. That's not what I said and meant. What I did say is that the academic standards for the football program is higher than most tier I football programs. That's a fact! That was my point before you misinterpreted what I actually stated when you surprisingly vigorously responded

 

 

 

I got annoyed because I felt that you singled out The Tide. Bama may not have the same academic system in place for football players as does Harvard, but neither does Stanford.

 

I used as an example Alabama, among other big time programs, to illustrate a point that Stanford has challenges in recruiting that other programs don't have. There is nothing demeaning about that comment although you took it as such. It's simply true.

 

 

 

10 years ago when my oldest daughter was in undergrad, Delaware was the school that hundreds of downstate students would go to when they either couldn't get into or couldn't afford the Ivies. Now, many of them are applying to and attending Alabama. Because of the money football brings in, tuition is reasonable and the school (including their law school and other grad schools) have moved up in the rankings. They are not doing things much differently than other universities, they are just doing it much better than most.

 

You are treating my comment as if I was making a scathing moral judgment on Alabama and other programs. You are diving too deep when the issue is much more shallow. Your raw nerve is your raw nerve. I wasn't tweaking anyone or program.

Edited October 10, 2017 by JohnC

[Mark Vader]

Clay Travis calls Jim Harbaugh nation's most overrated coach

https://ohiostate.247sports.com/Bolt/Clay-Travis-calls-Jim-Harbaugh-nations-most-overrated-coach-108654297

Boring, but everyone has an opinion.

[YoloinOhio]

Boring, but everyone has an opinion.

clay Travis is kind of a troll. He usually goes way overboard for clicks.

[row_33]

Michigan fans seemed to be quite happy with Lloyd giving them one or two totally inexplicable losses each year.

 

Bo kinda cursed the school by mouthing off against mythical national titles, that the Big Ten title was all that mattered and he has mostly got his wish.

[Mark Vader]

Michigan fans seemed to be quite happy with Lloyd giving them one or two totally inexplicable losses each year.

 

Bo kinda cursed the school by mouthing off against mythical national titles, that the Big Ten title was all that mattered and he has mostly got his wish.

I am never happy about Michigan losing, period.

 

What you say about Bo is very true, and that mentality appears to live on in some way with a certain amount of people. Although, I don't think Bo was the only person in the Big 10 who felt that way about national titles.

 

Personally, I want to see Michigan win the national title.

[Willyville Guy]

I'm not buying that Michigan takes losing in stride. Michigan was so content with Lloyd and his losses that they showed him the door.

 

Bo and many other old school B1G people long believed in the following team goals, in the following order:

 

Beat your rival

Win the conference

Win the Rose Bowl

 

I love that line of thinking, but the CFB world has changed a lot since the BCS era started. Michigan knows that as well as anyone.

[C.Biscuit97]

Love the hot takes. Hes one of the best coaches in football and wins everywhere.

[Augie]

He is the best turnaround coach there is. I don't dispute that for a second. But the exact thing that makes him the best turnaround coach - that intensity - is what stops him being a Champion coach and, as John C says, makes his shelf life short.

Agreed, I certainly wouldn't want him as my team's coach.