OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Did you see TT hit Zay in the hands multiple times and he couldn't hang on? TT knows he's out there. ...let's look at this logically.....a collegiate kid coming off a 160 reception season transitioning to the NFL, WHICH is a whole different ball game....he was not known for drops, so a few drops at the NFL level is a brand new world of hurt for the kid and a premature confidence breaker......he has to get over it and stop pressing because 160 receptions at this level ain't happening....at the same time, TT needs to look for other WR's as well including Zay who needs to build his confidence..."spread the wealth".... Edited October 7, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Is Greg Mabin related to Aaron Mabin? ...perhaps his husband?...........
Big C Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 ...let's look at this logically.....a collegiate kid coming off a 160 reception season transitioning to the NFL, WHICH is a whole different ball game....he was not known for drops, so a few drops at the NFL level is a brand new world of hurt for the kid and a premature confidence breaker......he has to get over it and stop pressing because 160 receptions at this level ain't happening....at the same time, TT needs to look for other WR's as well including Zay who needs to build his confidence..."spread the wealth".... He's still gonna get targets.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 He's still gonna get targets. ...sure as hell will....the TBD pundits have downgraded the kid because of "lack of competition" which yielded 160 receptions....my analogy was how much competition did Jerry Rice have at Mississippi Valley State (NOT comparing the two PERIOD).....and someone perfectly posted about the number of drops Jerry had in his rookie year....of course the TBD (and posthumously BBMB ) crowd promulgate the "One and Done" scenario, asinine as it is.....the kid will come around...too much talent and passion for the game to deny him IMO....stay tuned.........
eball Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Watch Zay catch 9 for 140 and 2 TDs now I don't think anyone around here would complain about that.
BigDingus Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 ...let's look at this logically.....a collegiate kid coming off a 160 reception season transitioning to the NFL, WHICH is a whole different ball game....he was not known for drops, so a few drops at the NFL level is a brand new world of hurt for the kid and a premature confidence breaker......he has to get over it and stop pressing because 160 receptions at this level ain't happening....at the same time, TT needs to look for other WR's as well including Zay who needs to build his confidence..."spread the wealth".... I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him.
MiltonWaddams Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Is Greg Mabin related to Aaron Mabin? Mabey, just mabey..... (see what I did there....) I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. So, you are saying he is a possession receiver? Because that's all I knew about him coming out of college. WTH happened to this guy?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. ....so in his FOURTH game at this level, cut his azz, right?.....certainly agree that minis, OTA's, pre-season and FOUR NFL starts should be PLENTY of time to show if he is the next Jerry Rice or a bust.....um got it......... Edited October 7, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Scott7975 Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. I agree with your post except the bolded. That stat is probably the most bogus stat I have ever seen. Its only 48% if you include drives that we scored points on and drives we were clearly burning clock. The reality is our 3 and out percentage is 30.5. We throw the ball pretty well actually. We just don't throw it often. On a per attempt basis we are, without looking, probably top 3rd in the league. Edit just looked: 9th average per attempt 13th Completion % 7th Rating 16th 20+ yards 10th 40+ yards 8th 1st% 4th Ints 13th third down efficiency (as an offense not just passing) 7th in third down conversions per game Edited October 7, 2017 by Scott7975
Starr Almighty Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Is Greg Mabin related to Aaron Mabin? Of course they are even tho Aaron spelled his last name Maybin
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Watch Zay catch 9 for 140 and 2 TDs now There isn't really anyone else in the WR corps to throw to but if "Drop Zone" Jones catches 9 passes tomorrow when they typically complete less than half that amount to the entire WR corps.........that would be a shock. And 140 yards........that would mean at least a couple huge plays. How many targets we talkin' bout' here? 25? 30?
Saxum Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 I think they make Nathan Peterman inactive, Joe Webb 2nd QB for this game and active an extra body - maybe Joe Banyard.
Scott7975 Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 There isn't really anyone else in the WR corps to throw to but if "Drop Zone" Jones catches 9 passes tomorrow when they typically complete less than half that amount to the entire WR corps.........that would be a shock. And 140 yards........that would mean at least a couple huge plays. How many targets we talkin' bout' here? 25? 30? Well if he follows his current pace of catches per target, he would need about 50 targets to catch 9 balls.
GunnerBill Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 I think they make Nathan Peterman inactive, Joe Webb 2nd QB for this game and active an extra body - maybe Joe Banyard. That is what I'd do. Think we will need a 3rd running back here.
Saxum Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 That is what I'd do. Think we will need a 3rd running back here. If there is a need for Peterson, even inactive, there is an old trick they can do - get a player thrown out of game.
Fan in San Diego Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Of course they are even tho Aaron spelled his last name Maybin He's probably trying to distance himself from Aaron. Clever trick. They look like brothers or cousins perhaps.
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