Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Speaking of which...if you are a top 5 QB out of HS, don't you want to look for a pro style offense that will prepare you? I think I would. Maybe I'm missing something... Absolutely that would be fantastic for most kids! HS QBs are broken up into 3 groups now. Pocket passer, runner, and dual threat. Unfortunately most of the top 5 QBs all fall under the "dual threat" category and are all highly recruited by spread schemes like Ohio State, Clemson etc Mitch Trubisky was labeled the #1 dual threat. He most likely wasn't recruited by Stanford Now if I am a top 5 pocket passer I most certainly would be looking at Stanford, Mich St, Pittsburgh, Iowa , Wisconsin
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Translating QBs to today's NFL is a crapshoot. They DO NOT groom college QBs to be successful NFL QBs. College coaches care about winning and saving their job... That means gimmicky offenses and less developed QBs. The days of stud star QBs are almost behind us. The likes of Luck, Manning, and Elway are just that. Once every 15-20 year prospects. It's all about finding the guy that fits your scheme and building the offense around them. Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. Same wth Rosen, he can easily become another cutler. Find the guy whose traits fit your offense the most and develop him. Franchise QBs will need to be coached up... they aren't ready made 99% of the time now QBs are not groomed to be successful in the NFL while still in college, true...but that does not mean that great NFL type QBs can't be found in the college ranks. The key is to look at individual traits/talents that will translate to the NFL game, and don't focus on irrelevantly confusing things like college wins, yards of offense, completion %, etc... There will always be the great QBs at the college level who seem to have what it takes to play in the NFL, and they will always be fought over by NFL teams with high draft picks.
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 QBs are not groomed to be successful in the NFL while still in college, true...but that does not mean that great NFL type QBs can't be found in the college ranks. The key is to look at individual traits/talents that will translate to the NFL game, and don't focus on irrelevantly confusing things like college wins, yards of offense, completion %, etc... There will always be the great QBs at the college level who seem to have what it takes to play in the NFL, and they will always be fought over by NFL teams with high draft picks. Ummm that's exactly what I said... you must look for the traits... Because John Elway isn't coming out again. You can find him 10th overall or the 3rd round
CNY315 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. There are reports that he may stay another year
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 How about a winning season and a franchise QB... as in Tyrod Taylor continuing to play well this year? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Well that would be great, but that's entirely the point....if we are picking 20th or worse, one of the top 4 or 5 guys won't be around back there in the draft. Unless we package picks and do a deal to move way up....that could be hard though.
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 There are reports that he may stay another year I've been saying since July he is staying. It makes no sense to leave after his RS sophomore year. He needs more time to develop
Wagon Circler Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs".
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Ummm that's exactly what I said... you must look for the traits... Because John Elway isn't coming out again. You can find him 10th overall or the 3rd round Maybe, but the top prospects aren't going in the 3rd round. I guess you are saying we can always get lucky and find someone that NFL teams did not evaluate as being a good NFL QB prospect while in college. True...but I prefer being more purposeful than that though. We all know who the top QBs are right now and which we are following on Saturdays. There's a reason all the talk focuses on them, and not the guy who is going to end up going in the 5th round. Sure, the guy going in the 5th round could prove to be the best of them all, but that would random dumb luck.
TheFunPolice Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Take the best QB on the board with the 1st 1st (assuming the value is there) and build a great team with your other 5 early round picks. Keep Tyrod and have a competition in camp. Best man wins. Then go become the Chiefs: 12 or 13 wins a year while you get the QB spot nailed down.
yungmack Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Translating QBs to today's NFL is a crapshoot. They DO NOT groom college QBs to be successful NFL QBs. College coaches care about winning and saving their job... That means gimmicky offenses and less developed QBs. The days of stud star QBs are almost behind us. The likes of Luck, Manning, and Elway are just that. Once every 15-20 year prospects. It's all about finding the guy that fits your scheme and building the offense around them. Darnold is a great prospect but not on the same caliber as Luck, Manning. Same wth Rosen, he can easily become another cutler. Find the guy whose traits fit your offense the most and develop him. Franchise QBs will need to be coached up... they aren't ready made 99% of the time now There are a few schools, like USC, that still run an NFL friendly style.
Fadingpain Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". Although you can look around the NFL and find a few QBs worse than Tyrod, the QB position on this team remains one of the most upgradeable positions. Once we get the operation up and running with some coherency and a vision for near term and long term goals, we can then try to win in the short term while planning for the QB of the future all at the same time. For now, we kind of have to choose, to an extent. I'm not sure some fans realize just what dire straits this organization has been in, for quite some time. The whole thing needs to get fixed... Luckly, the guys at OBD right now seem to be off to a really good start!
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Maybe, but the top prospects aren't going in the 3rd round. I guess you are saying we can always get lucky and find someone that NFL teams did not evaluate as being a good NFL QB prospect while in college. True...but I prefer being more purposeful than that though. We all know who the top QBs are right now and which we are following on Saturdays. There's a reason all the talk focuses on them, and not the guy who is going to end up going in the 5th round. Sure, the guy going in the 5th round could prove to be the best of them all, but that would random dumb luck. Well yes first round guys are more highly touted, but it doesn't mean better anymore. As I said the days of luck, manning and elway are over. You are just as likely to draft Blaine gabbert in the first as you are a good QB Brees, second round. Romo, undrafted. Wilson, third round. Dalton, second round. TT 4th round, Brady , 6th. For every Matt Ryan 3rd overall there are 10 Jake lockers I fully understand that talents like Rosen don't last til round 3 but he can easily be jay cutler... he isn't Andrew luck or Matt Ryan territory Edited October 5, 2017 by Buffalo716
PromoTheRobot Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 What an exciting start out of the gate! However, if the Bills go 10-6 or 11-5, that puts them in a difficult position. Even with a stock of draft picks, there will be numerous teams ahead of us looking for a QB. Obviously the past 17 years has been frustrating but do you have any concerns if we make the playoffs how that could impact us long term at the QB position? At this point, you could list the following teams finishing with worse record looking for a QB: Cleveland, Jets, AZ, San Fran, Miami, San Diego, Jax, Vikings and New Orleans Franchise QBs get drafted in mid and late 1st round. It does happen.
Buffalo716 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 There are a few schools, like USC, that still run an NFL friendly style. Definitely USC, Stanford, Iowa, Mich St, Wisconsin
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". Ever considered we have the worst wr group in the NFL? Not only fans but even all the analyst are saying we can't continue to win because of our WR, and everyone except Bills fans say that Tyrod Taylor is balling! If TT can win with our current WRs, why not get a couple real weapons for him that can help him. Its been pretty impressive what TT and this defense has accomplished to this point with the current roster
8-8 Forever? Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) We went 9-7 with Uncle Rico. There's no reason why we couldn't do that with Tyrod if all of the cards fell the right way. Ok, but are we any closer to winning the super bowl? Then the next year we go 7-9 and cut Tyrod and start from scratch. We've already been there done that. I'm glad they are winning and it's exciting but we might be setting this team back many years by doing so. Until we get a franchise QB we are going to be a .500 team +-1 game Well.. right. But McBeanes need to compete this season week to week-- its their job. they need to build a culture, a brotherhood as they say. I'd rather the current path than a 3-13 trash heap finish .... looks like with these two "the process" they want everyone to trust is a better, more positive path than a dumpster fire with a top QB draftee as a consolation prize for completely sucking. The 50 year fan in me is really totally ok with not totally sucking, for one. Edited October 5, 2017 by 8-8 Forever?
K D Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Well.. right. But McBeanes need to compete right now. they need to build a culture, a brotherhood as they say. I'd rather the current path than a 3-13 trash heap finish .... looks like with these two "the process" they want everyone to trust is a better, more positive path than a dumpster fire with a top QB draftee as a consolation prize for completely sucking. The 50 year fan in me is really totally ok with not totally sucking, for one.
Scott7975 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 If we go 11-5 and we are 30th in passing, I would take a quarterback in the first two rounds regardless. Our passing game is "special needs". 30th in passing is predicated on attempts. You might want to base it on how good Tyrod is in the attempts he does get instead of the low yardage due to low attempts. I think the Bills should draft a QB but I don't want to see them spend all the capital they have to get one. Unless the guy they are getting is the next greatest sure thing.
transplantbillsfan Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 The possibility of playoffs affecting draft position is a good problem to have. I think it's early for that, but still a good problem. However, this team needs to take a QB high next year regardless of how well we finish. Ummmmm..... nope. That's just an atrocious approach to the draft. Well that would be great, but that's entirely the point....if we are picking 20th or worse, one of the top 4 or 5 guys won't be around back there in the draft. Unless we package picks and do a deal to move way up....that could be hard though. I don't think you understood my post. In my scenario, Tyrod Taylor is our Franchise QB.
K D Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Ummmmm..... nope. That's just an atrocious approach to the draft. KC disagrees.
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