26CornerBlitz Posted November 1, 2017 Author Posted November 1, 2017 QB rankings, 1-32: Who reigns at the midway point? How do the NFL's 32 starting quarterbacks stack up through the midway point of the season? Gregg Rosenthal reveals his updated list.
Scott7975 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 QB rankings, 1-32: Who reigns at the midway point? He has one rushing TD.
section122 Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Correct. He had the ball to do it against Carolina. He had to ball to do it against the Bengals. Couldn't get it done. Not all on him... that is true. But eventually he has to make it happen despite the circumstance. Do we ignore that the team was driving against Carolina and then the ridiculous OPI penalty killed their momentum and ultimately the drive? This was posted before the Bucs game but he came through there. That describes Tyrod perfectly. He is not in the top tier of NFL QBs, we all know that. But he fits in with a bunch of other guys just outside the top tier and its hard to separate them because they all have different skill sets and completely different offenses built around them. Absolutely. I will even say their is really only 4 guys in Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees imo. The rest can be streaky, do some incredible things, do some terrible things, and don't separate from the pack. Look at Matt Ryan this year. 3 fumbles on snaps losing 2 this week? Last year on fire. Cam in 2015 on fire, since meh. Derek Carr last year on fire, this year struggling. Alex Smith plays Tyrod level until this year then gets hot.
grb Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Ok. 3 comebacks / 4 game winning drives. In 2.3 seasons. Why not look at the last four games when late Fourth Quarter drives were needed? Tampa Bay : Taylor leads the Bills on a 75yd drive resulting in a TD with 2:28 on the clock. That sets up the game winning FG moments later Cincinnati : Not a keeper, TT-scrapbook-wise Carolina : Taylor leads the Bills to the 33, despite a dubious OPI call. A chance for a game winning TD pass into the endzone on 4th & 11 is lost by an overwhelmed rookie's lack of ball awareness Miami : Leading the Bills back from 14pts down the third time, Taylor throws a TD pass on 4th down to take the lead with 1:20 on the clock. Of course you'll say the Bills didn't win the Miami or Carolina games, which is fair enough. But if we're asking if Taylor can be clutch in last minute situations, why not just ask it? How did he look the last four times in that position? Pretty good three times out of four. Edited November 1, 2017 by grb
bobobonators Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) So, now Im a child? 👌 Ok. 3 comebacks / 4 game winning drives. In 2.3 seasons. 😁 Through Nov 22 of last year only two QBs had more than five (5) 4th quarter comebacks over 2 seasons: Carr and Stafford with 8. So TT having 3 comebacks over 2.3 seasons is in line with majority of league over approx a 2yr span. How many comebacks do you expect him to have over 2.3 years? 10? 12? Most 4th Quarter Comeback wins over the last 2 seasons@RAIDERS Derek Carr: 8@Lions Matthew Stafford: 8 No other QB has more than 5 Per the nfl on Nov 22 last yr Edited November 1, 2017 by bobobonators
NewEra Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 He’s been better than advertised. 7 games down, 9 to go. Deserves the starting nod in ‘18 if he keeps this up
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Who dragged this from the grave? Jeeze now I have to look and see to what context I wrote it. We have seen an improvement now lets see it repeated over and over.
grb Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 Who dragged this from the grave? Jeeze now I have to look and see to what context I wrote it. We have seen an improvement now lets see it repeated over and over. Experiencing déjà vu? The feeling you're reliving something from the past - maybe again & again & again? Welcome to the Great Tyrod Message Board War............
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 What is Rosenthal's grading method? I'm just curious. I believe it's TLAR
grb Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 I believe it's TLAR I had to look it up (thanks, it's always good to learn something new), but I'd say you're TLAR on the question.....
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Experiencing déjà vu? The feeling you're reliving something from the past - maybe again & again & again? Welcome to the Great Tyrod Message Board War............ déjà vu of wins in the next 3 games would be sweet.
The Frankish Reich Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Through Nov 22 of last year only two QBs had more than five (5) 4th quarter comebacks over 2 seasons: Carr and Stafford with 8. So TT having 3 comebacks over 2.3 seasons is in line with majority of league over approx a 2yr span. How many comebacks do you expect him to have over 2.3 years? 10? 12? Most 4th Quarter Comeback wins over the last 2 seasons@RAIDERS Derek Carr: 8@Lions Matthew Stafford: 8 No other QB has more than 5 Per the nfl on Nov 22 last yr Channeling the tweeter-in-chief: Stafford and Carr are heroes because they allowed their teams to fall behind and then needed 4th quarter drives to pull out a win. I prefer QBs who protect the ball so they don't need to make 4th quarter comebacks.
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Why not look at the last four games when late Fourth Quarter drives were needed? Tampa Bay : Taylor leads the Bills on a 75yd drive resulting in a TD with 2:28 on the clock. That sets up the game winning FG moments later Cincinnati : Not a keeper, TT-scrapbook-wise Carolina : Taylor leads the Bills to the 33, despite a dubious OPI call. A chance for a game winning TD pass into the endzone on 4th & 11 is lost by an overwhelmed rookie's lack of ball awareness Miami : Leading the Bills back from 14pts down the third time, Taylor throws a TD pass on 4th down to take the lead with 1:20 on the clock. Of course you'll say the Bills didn't win the Miami or Carolina games, which is fair enough. But if we're asking if Taylor can be clutch in last minute situations, why not just ask it? How did he look the last four times in that position? Pretty good three times out of four. Against Tampa he deserves credit. The throw in Carolina was inaccurate. Yes Zay seemed to confuse the route but the ball was inaccurate. Against Miami he had the ball twice more in overtime and couldn't get it done. The Tampa game was a step forward in that regard. But he is 1 for 4.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Against Tampa he deserves credit. The throw in Carolina was inaccurate. Yes Zay seemed to confuse the route but the ball was inaccurate. Against Miami he had the ball twice more in overtime and couldn't get it done. The Tampa game was a step forward in that regard. But he is 1 for 4. If he ran the right route the throw was right on the money. All of the Bills players were consoling him after the game. And the next couple days. It very likely wasn't for dropping the ball. It was for blowing the play a few different ways. He ran the wrong route and he didn't track the ball well in the air. It was a good if not great pass.
Luka Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Why not look at the last four games when late Fourth Quarter drives were needed? Tampa Bay : Taylor leads the Bills on a 75yd drive resulting in a TD with 2:28 on the clock. That sets up the game winning FG moments later Cincinnati : Not a keeper, TT-scrapbook-wise Carolina : Taylor leads the Bills to the 33, despite a dubious OPI call. A chance for a game winning TD pass into the endzone on 4th & 11 is lost by an overwhelmed rookie's lack of ball awareness Miami : Leading the Bills back from 14pts down the third time, Taylor throws a TD pass on 4th down to take the lead with 1:20 on the clock. Of course you'll say the Bills didn't win the Miami or Carolina games, which is fair enough. But if we're asking if Taylor can be clutch in last minute situations, why not just ask it? How did he look the last four times in that position? Pretty good three times out of four. Yea Zay wasn't aware of how terrible of a pass was going to be coming his way lol I'm glad we're winning but Tyrod has some of the worst ball placement of any starting QB in the league. We have some great athletes on this team and if he could just hit 50% of his receivers in stride we'd be undefeated right now.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 2, 2017 Author Posted November 2, 2017 @PFF QB rankings and advanced stats for each NFL team https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-grade-after-week-8 6. Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo Bills – 84.7 overall grade
John from Riverside Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 Yea Zay wasn't aware of how terrible of a pass was going to be coming his way lol I'm glad we're winning but Tyrod has some of the worst ball placement of any starting QB in the league. We have some great athletes on this team and if he could just hit 50% of his receivers in stride we'd be undefeated right now. who are these great athletes you are referring to
Luka Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 who are these great athletes you are referring to Thompson, McCoy, Clay (who's hurt currently), Thomas, Jones, Holmes. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't actually watch football. I mean Tyrod forced Holmes to make a tip toe sideline catch... when he was WIDE OPEN. Completely uncontested. If the ball was thrown properly, much like the Carolina game, that's a touchdown. Just watch the way receivers have to catch the ball, even when the ball is complete, and then watch a Chiefs game, or Brady, or Rodgers or any of the guys considered franchise QBs. I mean, Green Bay is proof that Rodgers isn't working with the best receivers in the game, he MAKES them good with precise passing.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 IMO the 4 you mention are the only ones really completely worth the money they are paid. You mention the rest are streaky, I question if it's more a factor of many of these guys are being paid like top elite franchise QB's but can't carry a team on their own. With the big $$ they are getting not enough money left over to pay enough others to keep the team really great. Russell Wilson won on his rookie contracts, Cam just resigned the year they went to the SB. Even Rodgers only SB win was at the beginning of contract #2. Since he's made the really big $$, the Packers have more losses than wins in playoffs. The only guy to defy these rules is Brady who has taken less money than he could command. Helps when your wife makes more than you do. He's just playing for gas money! I will even say their is really only 4 guys in Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees imo. The rest can be streaky, do some incredible things, do some terrible things, and don't separate from the pack. Look at Matt Ryan this year. 3 fumbles on snaps losing 2 this week? Last year on fire. Cam in 2015 on fire, since meh. Derek Carr last year on fire, this year struggling. Alex Smith plays Tyrod level until this year then gets hot.
section122 Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 IMO the 4 you mention are the only ones really completely worth the money they are paid. You mention the rest are streaky, I question if it's more a factor of many of these guys are being paid like top elite franchise QB's but can't carry a team on their own. With the big $$ they are getting not enough money left over to pay enough others to keep the team really great. Russell Wilson won on his rookie contracts, Cam just resigned the year they went to the SB. Even Rodgers only SB win was at the beginning of contract #2. Since he's made the really big $$, the Packers have more losses than wins in playoffs. The only guy to defy these rules is Brady who has taken less money than he could command. Helps when your wife makes more than you do. He's just playing for gas money! absolutely agree with everything you say here. I also attribute a lot of the patriots success to Brady taking below market deals to increase the talent level around him. If teams want to emulate their success it starts there imo
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