JohnC Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 It wouldn't surprise me If to a T, T Mobile is doing exactly what McD wants from his signal caller. Provide good game management and protect the football... Very sharp post. You pointed out exactly what TT is: a good game manager who protects the ball. All the OCs he has played under have basically designed an offense that falls in that manager category. That's not a knock on the qb as it is an accurate description of who he is as a qb. He's not a prolific passer, and never will be. He's not a qb that adeptly goes threw progressions and consistently throws well on seam routes. Would the team be better off with a qb who is capable of directing a more full repertoire offense? I would say so. But we got what we got and the staff is maximizing what they got. Is he the type of qb who can get your team on a serious playoff run. I say no and others are more inclined to say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Oh, it has to be 2 scores? Yeah, let's change that to "down by enough that they have to abandon the run." Taylor looks good in no small part because he's not being asked to do everything, and the play calling is pretty damn good. That's easy to do when you're down by 4...but it gets a little dicier when you're down by 9 with four minutes left and your options start to narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 You're constantly all over the place and it's really to follow your thought process regarding Taylor. Simple question, then. If the Bills go, let's say 11-5, make the playoffs, and win a game, is that then absolute validation that Taylor is the guy? Yes? No? Have you not been paying attention? at all? have you forgotten my post already about TT needing to win (I loosened the #'s from the 1st time I posted it) 7 of 9 for him to prove to me he is good enough to prove me wrong that he can be THE guy for a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Mods, feel free to merge this with another thread if you want, but this stat isn't something you can just find. You need to go to the ESPN splits for every single QB in the NFL to find this particular stat... so I figured it deserved some discussion, since it has been a point of criticism for Taylor in 2015 and 2016. Tyrod Taylor has the 3rd highest passer rating in the NFL when trailing the opponent. #1- Alex Smith at 136.2 #2- Russell Wilson at 115.7 #3- Tyrod Taylor at 114.2 That's significantly better than 2015 (95.6) or 2016 (92.5) and I think it's something to put your finger on in terms of an area of improvement. He's also 8/19 (42.1%) with 1 TD on 3rd downs when trailing. Look, he's doing what he's asked to do when he's asked to do it and he's doing it at a pretty high level. The Bills have actually been ahead the majority of the time this year, and on the year, when the Bills have been either trailing or tied with the opposition, Taylor has thrown 74% of his passes (at a 69% completion %) for 77% of his yards and 80% of his TDs. He's also been a more efficient runner when trailing or tied. He's gained 75 yards at 5.8 YPC, as opposed to the 43 yards at 2.4 YPC when the team has been ahead. If McDermott and Bean are not moving forward with someone like Sammy Watkins, are true talent, why on earth would they put their collective futures in the Tyrod Taylor basket? The Bills taking a true NFL QB somewhere in the 2018 draft, and everyone should probably just understand that. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 If McDermott and Bean are not moving forward with someone like Sammy Watkins, are true talent, why on earth would they put their collective futures in the Tyrod Taylor basket? The Bills taking a true NFL QB somewhere in the 2018 draft, and everyone should probably just understand that. IMO. I think that's probably true but I can tell you that they are a LOT higher on Taylor than we think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Yeah, let's change that to "down by enough that they have to abandon the run." Taylor looks good in no small part because he's not being asked to do everything, and the play calling is pretty damn good. That's easy to do when you're down by 4...but it gets a little dicier when you're down by 9 with four minutes left and your options start to narrow. Well, okay. That's only happened once for this team on the final drive in Carolina. In that drive, Taylor was excellent in an otherwise awful game. Barring a nice completion to Holmes called back on a questionable OPI and/or Zay Jones losing the rookie hiccups, we probably would have won and would be 4-0 right now. We didn't. But at a time we had to abandon the run, Taylor had us moving down the field pretty efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Bang, it should be a silly question, but I'm trying to figure out what the heck Shady is thinking considering he said the notable stat of Taylor's value is "3 wins 1 loss." It's head scratching to me the way people still attribute QB play almost solely to Ws and Ls. it means the Bills win / loss ration is 3 to 1 and not 50%. If he plays consistently and relies on his receiving corps I could see 12-4. We've all seen people arguing that Brady, Breese, Rogers, Ryan all have had crap passing yards in wins and losses. So, basically stats are pretty numbers to banter about and do not guarantee a win or loss. TT can convince me he is the man by defeating the likes of Tom Brady (repeatedly) Now, I ask you Look back these past 24 to 26 hours and tell me how disparaging I have been towards TT. I stopped when this was implied (wait Shady, 12 -4 is asking too much from TT and you are being unreasonable) Edited October 4, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Have you not been paying attention? at all? have you forgotten my post already about TT needing to win (I loosened the #'s from the 1st time I posted it) 7 of 9 for him to prove to me he is good enough to prove me wrong that he can be THE guy for a bit longer. Dude... what the hell? You literally just said you were being sarcastic about the Ws and Ls. So, you weren't being sarcastic? You put Ws and Ls on the QB that much? If you do (and who knows because the way you post is all over the place a lot of the time), that's just ridiculous. it means the Bills win / loss ration is 3 to 1 and not 50% We've all seen people arguing that Brady, Breese, Rogers, Ryan all have had crap passing yards in wins and losses. So, basically stats are pretty numbers to banter about and do not guarantee a win or loss. TT can convince me he is the man by defeating the likes of Tom Brady (repeatedly) Wow. So Taylor can play like utter crap for the next 9 games, but if our D rises up and plays as good or better than it's played so far and we win 7 or 8 games in our next 9, suddenly Taylor is good enough for you? Shady, you're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Oh, so you were just trolling. Or joking. Or whatever. Got it You have a nice day. I'm not letting people pull me into an argument. Dude... what the hell? You literally just said you were being sarcastic about the Ws and Ls. So, you weren't being sarcastic? You put Ws and Ls on the QB that much? If you do (and who knows because the way you post is all over the place a lot of the time), that's just ridiculous. Wow. So Taylor can play like utter crap for the next 9 games, but if our D rises up and plays as good or better than it's played so far and we win 7 or 8 games in our next 9, suddenly Taylor is good enough for you? Shady, you're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is a bad one. Oh My God, Holy Chit THIS WAS THE JOKE and the sarcasm. -- Everything Taylors fault. Please stop Edited October 4, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Oh My God, Holy Chit THIS WAS THE JOKE and the sarcasm. -- Everything Taylors fault. Please stop Okay... so it was all sarcasm. All good Sarcasm really doesn't translate well on an Internet message board. Just something to consider in the future if you get this upset at people "pulling you into an argument" over comments you don't actually mean seriously. Edited October 4, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) I asked you to Please stop. Edited October 4, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 It's no secret I'm not a Taylor fan, and I still don't see him as the long term answer in Buffalo but I do give the guy credit the last few weeks bouncing back big time after a horrid performance in Carolina. Does anybody really believe he's capable of leading this team from behind in games as the stakes get higher in November and December? How about on the road in a playoff game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Yep, McDermott is a fan for sure. Defensive minded coaches love a ball control offense that doesn't make mistakes. Probably because it frustrates them the most when other teams do that to them. When a team scores on big plays coaches usually pull the "we didn't execute" card. If we only did this or that we would have stopped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 If McDermott and Bean are not moving forward with someone like Sammy Watkins, are true talent, why on earth would they put their collective futures in the Tyrod Taylor basket? The Bills taking a true NFL QB somewhere in the 2018 draft, and everyone should probably just understand that. IMO. I'm sure they're going to look for an NFL QB in the draft, but if the guy isn't there in the 1st and Taylor plays as he has been playing, we'll be rolling with Taylor very likely, who is also a true NFL QB I asked you to Please stop. Ignore me. Geez dude take your own incessant advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 14. Buffalo Bills: 'Shadow of a Doubt' "But she's got me thinking 'bout it, yes, she's got me on the edge. With that little bit of mystery, she's a complex kid. And she's always been so hard to figure out. Yeah, she always likes to leave me with a shadow of a doubt." Tyrod Taylor is better than you think he is, but he does always leave you wondering why he's not as good as you think he can be. He ranks so consistently in the top 10 of Total QBR that you wonder if the stat was designed for him. His running ability allows him to make plays other quarterbacks can't or won't, and he has had success when the group around him has been strong. Yet, the way his contract was restructured each of the past two years indicates that the Bills want to see more. And with a new coaching staff in place that drafted Nathan Peterman, you wonder whether Taylor is long for Buffalo. Edited October 4, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Yeah, let's change that to "down by enough that they have to abandon the run." Taylor looks good in no small part because he's not being asked to do everything, and the play calling is pretty damn good. That's easy to do when you're down by 4...but it gets a little dicier when you're down by 9 with four minutes left and your options start to narrow. We saw Taylor down by 14 pts three separate times in a single game. We saw him forced by the Bills' defense to play in a total shootout. We saw him need to throw into the endzone on fourth down inside two minutes for the lead. This thing you claim is impossible happened only five games back with Taylor starting. Is it possible you don't remember? Let's review : Down by multiple TDs in a game? Check, several times over Forced to pass Check, opponent with 494 yds Last minute drive Check, TT TD pass with 1:20 left It almost seems like a laboratory experiment designed to prove your point, doesn't it? It also seems the purest example of the game situation you're describing. It also is the latest example of the game situation you're describing with Taylor playing. So does it prove your point? No?!? Maybe your point isn't as strong as you think........ Edited October 4, 2017 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) 14. Buffalo Bills: 'Shadow of a Doubt' "But she's got me thinking 'bout it, yes, she's got me on the edge. With that little bit of mystery, she's a complex kid. And she's always been so hard to figure out. Yeah, she always likes to leave me with a shadow of a doubt." Tyrod Taylor is better than you think he is, but he does always leave you wondering why he's not as good as you think he can be. He ranks so consistently in the top 10 of Total QBR that you wonder if the stat was designed for him. His running ability allows him to make plays other quarterbacks can't or won't, and he has had success when the group around him has been strong. Yet, the way his contract was restructured each of the past two years indicates that the Bills want to see more. And with a new coaching staff in place that drafted Nathan Peterman, you wonder whether Taylor is long for Buffalo. I'm curious : You did bold "success when the group around him has been strong" because it's an absolute ludicrous statement, right? After all, the majority of Taylor's time starting his receiver corps has been an out&out dumpster fire. Maybe you got confused and thought the statement was about Matt Ryan - since the media wrote-off his abysmal game last Sunday because the poor dear was missing multiple all-pro receiving targets. After all, who is so crass as to expect Ryan to play well without Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu? That wouldn't be fair at all, would it? Edited October 4, 2017 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) I'm curious : You did bold "success when the group around him has been strong" because it's an absolute ludicrous statement, right? After all, the majority of Taylor's time starting his receiver corp has been an out&out dumpster fire. Maybe you got confused and thought the statement was about Matt Ryan - since the media wrote-off his abysmal game last Sunday because the poor dear was missing his multiple all-pro receiving targets. After all, who is so crass as to expect Ryan to play well without Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu? That wouldn't be fair at all, would it? That was an ESPN blurb. I bolded a statement. What the meaning within the article is, that is up to the reader to figure out. All I can do is make an assumption. My assumption of success when the group around him has been strong" been strong. Apparently the writer thinks the Bills have enough talent on offense to get wins. 3-1 would indicate that no? Edited October 4, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Very sharp post. You pointed out exactly what TT is: a good game manager who protects the ball. All the OCs he has played under have basically designed an offense that falls in that manager category. That's not a knock on the qb as it is an accurate description of who he is as a qb. He's not a prolific passer, and never will be. He's not a qb that adeptly goes threw progressions and consistently throws well on seam routes. Would the team be better off with a qb who is capable of directing a more full repertoire offense? I would say so. But we got what we got and the staff is maximizing what they got. Is he the type of qb who can get your team on a serious playoff run. I say no and others are more inclined to say yes. ....and if he is a good game manager which leads to a potential playoff berth, what the hell is the problem?....he's here as the starter in 2017 which does NOT preclude Bills picking a 1st round QB in 2018....sure there are cap implications in 2018, but I'm not sure where else he would go if released to make anything more than backup money....BUT stranger things have happened.....break the schneid, get a WC berth and we can worry about the details later even WITHOUT 300 yd passing games.....Jesus.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 but I'm not sure where else he would go if released to make anything more than backup money.... Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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