IDBillzFan Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Some of us felt that this team could win 10-11 games coming into the preseason........Break it down for us. 11 wins. Assume we sweep Fish (without Tannehill) and Jets. Where are your other seven wins? Browns is 5. Break it down. From your view coming into the preaseason. Where do the other wins come from?
Turk71 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Would it make sense to put Zay in the slot now? He was mostly a slot receiver 3 yrs in college. Makes sense to me.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Cheap hire. Worked the system in preseason, McD knows him...... makes sense. But didn't they cut him because he had stone hands?
JohnC Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Yet another ill-conceived take from JohnC. Degree of decisiveness.......even if you KNEW that........means nothing. Terry Pegula was totally, 100% smitten with and sold on Rex Ryan.......that's what decisiveness is worth. As for the cost/benefit........the cost has been offensive production.........which cost them a game in Carolina and has turned them into punchless pass offense that has no margin for error. Some of us felt that this team could win 10-11 games coming into the preseason........the only holes were depth positions.....it's a very old team that must win now.........but then they dealt Watkins and the passing game is a mess. Watkins is EXACTLY what they need. I've been all-in on Watkins. When Goff throws to him he's great. But it's a matchup league and Todd Gurley running away from a LB?...........yeah........that's the throw they want Goff to make. Rams offense is impressive. Another rambling set of non-sequiturs used as your incoherent response. It's a fact that McDermott decisively made the decision or was involved with the decision not to sign Watkins's option. What were the reasons? I'm sure they were a variety of factors related to salary, durability and belief in the player's commitment to his program. Your response regarding Pegula's commitment to Rex is nonsensical. I'll give you some slack if your response was given when you weren't sufficiently sober. With respect to your belief before the season that this was an 11 win team in a win now mode is also off the mark. McDermott was handed the keys to the franchise with unlimited authority for the expressed purpose of rebuilding it. The front office and roster is dramatically changed if you haven't noticed! You may have believed that this was a contending team at the start (and never stated it) but no one else did. In fact your turn around position is a bogus position because you didn't express that same glorious optimism when he took over. As it stands there is a lot of giddy optimism because of the good start but don't be surprised if this speeding bus slows down as the season advances. I still don't consider this a playoff team. You have this tendency to praise yourself for after the fact results. Your view on Watkins isn't as brilliant and illuminating as you tout them to be because most fair-minded people acknowledged the fact that Watkins was a supreme talent. Your constant self-congratulations on things that are obvious are getting tiresome. I'm happy for Watkins. I'm hoping that he succeeds in LA or wherever he decides to play. But that doesn't change the fact that McDermott without any equivocation didn't want him here. He wasn't in the plans so the franchise got what they could for him. You disagree with that decision while I understand it. I'm waiting for your next rambling non-sequitur response on this topic that has nothing to do what has been said.
BeginnersMind Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) In Buffalo, Watkins would be getting targets. Wasn't he complaining about lack of targets just last year? By the way, I agree that he'd help. That's a no-brainer. The Bills WRs are bad. But the Bills' secondary was playing lights out in no small part to to Gaines and they have a good pick next year. I can't fault the Bills for getting something for a guy they were unsure of, and who was likely to walk, and who they must have identified as someone who was not buying into the culture. Given Sammy's known complaining, head shaking, and sometimes questionable work ethic, I understand why they let him go. They'd probably have done the same to Dareus (who is similarly talented but maybe not a culture fit to this new regime) if his contract wasn't such an albatross. Another rambling set of non-sequiturs used as your incoherent response. I'm waiting for your next rambling non-sequitur response on this topic that has nothing to do what has been said. I agree with your post, but why do the two of you have to insult each other. Can't you just disagree on the topic? Edited October 4, 2017 by BeginnersMind
Wayne Arnold Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Shamarko!!!! One of my favorite Orangemen ever. He is all heart and will make a difference on ST. No one worked harder at SU than ShamWow. I also never saw someone have more concussions than he did throwing his body all over the field every game. I hope his CTE is in check and he has a safer tackling technique now. But didn't they cut him because he had stone hands? No.
Andrew Son Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 I'm waiting for your next rambling non-sequitur response on this topic that has nothing to do what has been said. Be careful. Badol will drop the hammer on you with some sunglasses emoji's...
Boatdrinks Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Wasn't he complaining about lack of targets just last year? By the way, I agree that he'd help. That's a no-brainer. The Bills WRs are bad. But the Bills' secondary was playing lights out in no small part to to Gaines and they have a good pick next year. I can't fault the Bills for getting something for a guy they were unsure of, and who was likely to walk, and who they must have identified as someone who was not buying into the culture. Given Sammy's known complaining, head shaking, and sometimes questionable work ethic, I understand why they let him go. No. It was 2015. Very overblown as well. Not really a big deal. You make an awful lot of assumptions about Watkins and his " work ethic" etc. it's easy to rationalize away such moves with slogans and cliches such as " culture" buying in and the like. The move was made primarily about money. One mistake ( the 5th year option) compounded another. I still hate the move, and will until they get a WR of equal ability. That may not even happen, and will almost certainly cost more draft capital. Money shouldn't take precedence over keeping quality talent. Especially on a team with no huge contract at QB and a dearth of offensive stars. Time will tell, but I didn't like the move and still do not.
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Just say wtf and trade for OBJ. Let's go win this whole damn thing. They aren't going to pay him and they aren't winning with him anyway...we have the picks and no WRs. Go for broke, McDermott can calm him down and get him to buy in
JohnC Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Wasn't he complaining about lack of targets just last year? By the way, I agree that he'd help. That's a no-brainer. The Bills WRs are bad. But the Bills' secondary was playing lights out in no small part to to Gaines and they have a good pick next year. I can't fault the Bills for getting something for a guy they were unsure of, and who was likely to walk, and who they must have identified as someone who was not buying into the culture. Given Sammy's known complaining, head shaking, and sometimes questionable work ethic, I understand why they let him go. They'd probably have done the same to Dareus (who is similarly talented but maybe not a culture fit to this new regime) if his contract wasn't such an albatross. I agree with your post, but why do the two of you have to insult each other. Can't you just disagree on the topic? I'm not insulting anyone. Badol is a self-anointed guru who needs to constantly administer a large dose of sun block because he is exposed to his own intense brilliance. Badol gives and he takes. He can handle the brush backs. There is nothing personal to the duels. He is like everyone else here who posts. Sometimes he makes sense and sometimes he doesn't.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 4, 2017 Author Posted October 4, 2017 @SalSports New Bills jersey numbers: WR Philly Brown 10 S Trae Elston 36 S Shamarko Thomas 29
pablopbb Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) I think we should see what Jerry Rice is up to. So, just to throw a slightly more recent name out there: Would folks prefer that the Bills kicked the tires on Stevie Johnson (Mr. Ad Hoc route runner with questionable ability to fit into this scheme an provide reasonable downfield blocking to support run game)? Or, Philly Brown, who is familiar with the role he will have to fill with the current Bills system? Please don't laugh-off the question... I expect people may be split on whether they'd bring in Stevie.... but I'm just using this as an example (you could substitute another name for Johnson in the comparison above). Edited October 4, 2017 by pablopbb
BeginnersMind Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 No. It was 2015. Very overblown as well. Not really a big deal. You make an awful lot of assumptions about Watkins and his " work ethic" etc. it's easy to rationalize away such moves with slogans and cliches such as " culture" buying in and the like. The move was made primarily about money. One mistake ( the 5th year option) compounded another. I still hate the move, and will until they get a WR of equal ability. That may not even happen, and will almost certainly cost more draft capital. Money shouldn't take precedence over keeping quality talent. Especially on a team with no huge contract at QB and a dearth of offensive stars. Time will tell, but I didn't like the move and still do not. Cap management is a huge part of football. Gilmores current salary is the same as the Bills entire secondary. Cap management has been the Pats strength for a long time. They have a lot of no name Smart role guys and just a few highly paid stars. Overpaying for a good but not incredible receiver is a bad decision. (Dareus says hello)
Royale with Cheese Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 @SalSports New Bills jersey numbers: WR Philly Brown 10 S Trae Elston 36 S Shamarko Thomas 29 Kelly Holcomb, Lawyer Milloy and Karlos Williams.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Everytime I read Shamarko, I see Sharknado.
BADOLBILZ Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Break it down for us. 11 wins. Assume we sweep Fish (without Tannehill) and Jets. Where are your other seven wins? Browns is 5. Break it down. From your view coming into the preaseason. Where do the other wins come from? So beyond your irrational blaming of Tim Graham for all things wrong........your only other contribution to the board is an annual thread where you admonish people for projecting records based on the obviously, time-testedly ill-conceived notion of perceived difficulty of the schedule. And you want me to break down how I projected the season on a game by game basis? Sounds kinda' dumb coming from you, does it not? My projection was based on this being a very experienced roster with good front-line personnel and scheme fits on defense and an improving QB leading an offense with it's OL returning intact that was likely to get a boost from the return of their top WR healthy and entering his walk year......along the benefits of getting new coaches......specifically opponents not having tape on the new systems. That's it. If they were healthy they stood a good chance of seeing an uptick. When Doug Whaley said "7-9.....not good enough" he was right........this team has had playoff talent for a number of years.........and while the overall base and depth has been diminished this year there was still enough and the fact that they are mostly motivated veterans is very important in a league where practice time is at a minimum.
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Everytime I read Shamarko, I see Sharknado.Sharknado > Shamarko
3rdand12 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Wasn't he complaining about lack of targets just last year? By the way, I agree that he'd help. That's a no-brainer. The Bills WRs are bad. But the Bills' secondary was playing lights out in no small part to to Gaines and they have a good pick next year. I can't fault the Bills for getting something for a guy they were unsure of, and who was likely to walk, and who they must have identified as someone who was not buying into the culture. Given Sammy's known complaining, head shaking, and sometimes questionable work ethic, I understand why they let him go. They'd probably have done the same to Dareus (who is similarly talented but maybe not a culture fit to this new regime) if his contract wasn't such an albatross. I agree with your post, but why do the two of you have to insult each other. Can't you just disagree on the topic? No. Code of ethics we signed on for here. Read the fine print please/S
IDBillzFan Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 So beyond your irrational blaming of Tim Graham for all things wrong........your only other contribution to the board is an annual thread where you admonish people for projecting records based on the obviously, time-testedly ill-conceived notion of perceived difficulty of the schedule. And you want me to break down how I projected the season on a game by game basis? Sounds kinda' dumb coming from you, does it not? My projection was based on this being a very experienced roster with good front-line personnel and scheme fits on defense and an improving QB leading an offense with it's OL returning intact that was likely to get a boost from the return of their top WR healthy and entering his walk year......along the benefits of getting new coaches......specifically opponents not having tape on the new systems. That's it. If they were healthy they stood a good chance of seeing an uptick. When Doug Whaley said "7-9.....not good enough" he was right........this team has had playoff talent for a number of years.........and while the overall base and depth has been diminished this year there was still enough and the fact that they are mostly motivated veterans is very important in a league where practice time is at a minimum. Damn, dude. Your manbun too tight or what? All I did was ask where you saw the 11 wins. That's all. Your need to bash me is a little over the top. I made the mistake of thinking you based that number on, y'know, looking at the 16 games and identifying 11 wins. My bad. I'll refrain from asking you any more questions.
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