transplantbillsfan Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Taylor was only good today because Clay was great. If you take out Clay's performance, Taylor was abysmal today. Interesting take. Without Taylor, how does Clay get the football? Particularly on that long bomb with Taylor on the run from a collapsed pocket chucking the ball 50 yards in the air while rolling to his right?
oldmanfan Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 For Taylor to throw for more yards, the D would likely have to play worse so we have to play from behind. I'd rather not have that scenario.
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Interesting take. Without Taylor, how does Clay get the football? Particularly on that long bomb with Taylor on the run from a collapsed pocket chucking the ball 50 yards in the air while rolling to his right? WITH Taylor, how does Clay usually get the football? Answer: he doesn't. So clearly, Clay had a monster game covering for the usual errors that Taylor makes. Really, all I'm asking is credit be given where due. Clay made Taylor look good. Without Clay, Taylor goes 7 for 15 for about 80 yards, which is horrible even by Taylor's usually awful standard. For Taylor to throw for more yards, the D would likely have to play worse so we have to play from behind. I'd rather not have that scenario. But if the defense played worse, we'd have better field position and the offense would be better.
oldmanfan Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 WITH Taylor, how does Clay usually get the football? Answer: he doesn't. So clearly, Clay had a monster game covering for the usual errors that Taylor makes. Really, all I'm asking is credit be given where due. Clay made Taylor look good. Without Clay, Taylor goes 7 for 15 for about 80 yards, which is horrible even by Taylor's usually awful standard. But if the defense played worse, we'd have better field position and the offense would be better. Disagree.
Big C Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 WITH Taylor, how does Clay usually get the football? Answer: he doesn't. So clearly, Clay had a monster game covering for the usual errors that Taylor makes. Really, all I'm asking is credit be given where due. Clay made Taylor look good. Without Clay, Taylor goes 7 for 15 for about 80 yards, which is horrible even by Taylor's usually awful standard. Tom, I regretfully have to correct your stats here. For Taylor's true net passing numbers, you have to deduct rushing yards as they signify a missed opportunity to throw. Deduct his 12 yards rushing and you get a dismal 68 yards!
transplantbillsfan Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 12-20 for 182 yards today. If Clay doesn't have a stellar game Taylor is 7-15 for less than 80 yards. There is no other way to put it: that is just awful, awful QB play. Stop crediting Taylor with Clay's stellar performance. Are you being satirical? The sad thing is that what I was posting was indistinguishable from a lot of the crap posted on the board. I was actually mocking the practice of "If you ignore all the good stuff, everything sucks" attitude. "Barry Sanders broke a few long runs; if you ignore those, he had a bad day." Good... glad you were being satirical
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Disagree. Doesn't matter. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Taylor's "production" yesterday was entirely due to Clay's performance. You take out Clay's performance, and Taylor was unbelievably bad. That's a fact.
grb Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Tom, I regretfully have to correct your stats here. For Taylor's true net passing numbers, you have to deduct rushing yards as they signify a missed opportunity to throw. Deduct his 12 yards rushing and you get a dismal 68 yards! Of course, you also have to deduct "plays left on the field" - and then it turns out - mathematically - that Atlanta won the game after all.... No doubt the Commissioner will soon issue a ruling.....
Scott7975 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Are you being satirical? Good... glad you were being satirical That guy is good. He got me twice now.
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 That guy is good. He got me twice now. That's because I'm basically parroting stupid **** I've read here before. I'm honestly surprised no one's agreed with me.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Doesn't matter. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Taylor's "production" yesterday was entirely due to Clay's performance. You take out Clay's performance, and Taylor was unbelievably bad. That's a fact. ...LMAO...now THERE'S a real objective analysis...the kid is making steady improvements but a QB still gets drafted in the 2018 1st.....as long as he plays pedestrian and gets the "W", what the hell is your problem?......Jesus this place is BBMB deja vu, that dreaded hole of refugees like me that showed up here only to read yips like this.....a fact my twin cheeks..........
PolishDave Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 That's because I'm basically parroting stupid **** I've read here before. I'm honestly surprised no one's agreed with me. ...LMAO...now THERE'S a real objective analysis...the kid is making steady improvements but a QB still gets drafted in the 2018 1st.....as long as he plays pedestrian and gets the "W", what the hell is your problem?......Jesus this place is BBMB deja vu, that dreaded hole of refugees like me that showed up here only to read yips like this.....a fact my twin cheeks.......... Looks like you nabbed another one!
Rockinon Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Matthews out with injury. Powell released after suspension. Zay has the dropsies. WR Clay and Tyrod seem to be off a bit. Damn...who is going catch now other than TE Clay? Anyway, I don't see how Tyrod can stay so consistant without some more options. Are we looking to pick someone up or just promote from the practice squad?
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 ...LMAO...now THERE'S a real objective analysis...the kid is making steady improvements but a QB still gets drafted in the 2018 1st.....as long as he plays pedestrian and gets the "W", what the hell is your problem?......Jesus this place is BBMB deja vu, that dreaded hole of refugees like me that showed up here only to read yips like this.....a fact my twin cheeks.......... Can you possibly deny that, without Clay's performance, Taylor sucked yesterday?
transplantbillsfan Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 For the season, TT has four TDs and one INT. Ryan has four TDs and three INTs. Huh? Taylor has 5 TDs and one INT. Ryan has 5 TDs and 5 INTs. Or did you mean going into this game?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Huh? Taylor has 5 TDs and one INT. Ryan has 5 TDs and 5 INTs. Or did you mean going into this game? He said yesterday
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Huh? Taylor has 5 TDs and one INT. Ryan has 5 TDs and 5 INTs. Or did you mean going into this game? What's funny about that is I first saw that stat after the game on Twitter. Then I went to ESPN stats, just because it was the first one that came up on the google search. And I made sure that the stats I looked at were from four games and not three. And the first two I saw were definitively four games. So I just assumed it had been updated. And that's what they showed. In retrospect maybe they were in the middle of updating the stats.
Scott7975 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 That's because I'm basically parroting stupid **** I've read here before. I'm honestly surprised no one's agreed with me. Yes I realize that. I say your good because I couldn't tell you were doing that. Totally took you as serious. Not once but twice. I am surprised as well.
Utah John Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 You fellow old timers can probably recall message boards reading just like this from 1999. Just substitute "Doug Flutie" for "Tyrod Taylor". I've been making the point for a while now that they're very similar in what they bring. Both short. Both extremely athletic and elusive. Both pretty good passers but not elite. Both focused on good down and distance, moving the chains, protect the ball. The difference is that Flutie actually had a lot better offensive weapons to work with. Eric Moulds and Andre Reed and Peerless Price. Thurman Thomas and Antowain Smith. Much better O line. And the defense still had Bruce Smith and Ted Washington. Taylor is winning with a very good D line, which is making the LBs and DBs look better than they probably are, an O line that hasn't figured out its blocking schemes yet, a great RB, a good TE, and the worst starting WRs we've had in a generation. Another big difference: Flutie was 37 in 1999, at the tail end of his career. Taylor is in his prime years as an NFL QB. Also -- In 1999, the Bills didn't have a single game with 300 yards passing. Enjoy the ride. Taylor will continue to show he's very good but not elite. He'll miss some critical plays, and you can choose either to remember those or the excellent plays he makes including some no other QB can make.
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