Chef Jim Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 As a parent of a child who'd been bullied for 5 years straight ... yes. I'm dead serious. Kids are ass holes because their parents raise them to be ass holes. No one should have to teach an 18 year old, or any child, to not stab people. Incidentally, I've been teaching my son to not throw a punch unless he's either been hit, or feels that getting hit is imminent; and to ignore/walk away. It doesn't work. So now, I've told him the next kid to !@#$ with him, even if it's just words, to punch him in the face. And to keep punching him in the face until the other kid asks him to stop, or until someone pulls him off. Good !@#$ing job dad. Teach your son to end up in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Okay... Maybe dicretion isn't a better part of valor. Let's rethink this. If the kid gets up and leaves. Then, said other kid flicks pencil @ him and misses. Then first kid stares pencil tosser down. Then pencil tosser stands up and gets in grill of first kid... ...Don't you all conclude that first kid should shiv the MOFO pencil thrower. Yep, he shived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Okay... Maybe dicretion isn't a better part of valor. Let's rethink this. If the kid gets up and leaves. Then, said other kid flicks pencil @ him and misses. Then first kid stares pencil tosser down. Then pencil tosser stands up and gets in grill of first kid... ...Don't you all conclude that first kid should shiv the MOFO pencil thrower. Yep, he shived Hell yeah. Don't !@#$in step to him unless you're prepared for what could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Hell yeah. Don't !@#$in step to him unless you're prepared for what could happen. Yep! Kid will do well @ Rikers! Edited September 28, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 So teaching your kid to be the adult in the room and say "whatever" and walk away is not an option here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 As a parent of a child who'd been bullied for 5 years straight ... yes. I'm dead serious. Kids are ass holes because their parents raise them to be ass holes. No one should have to teach an 18 year old, or any child, to not stab people. Incidentally, I've been teaching my son to not throw a punch unless he's either been hit, or feels that getting hit is imminent; and to ignore/walk away. It doesn't work. So now, I've told him the next kid to !@#$ with him, even if it's just words, to punch him in the face. And to keep punching him in the face until the other kid asks him to stop, or until someone pulls him off. Send him to a Brazilian jiu jitsu school. Tie the guy up and you don't have to punch. BJJ is extremely effective....extremely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 So teaching your kid to be the adult in the room and say "whatever" and walk away is not an option here? Honestly? No. Stabbing shouldn't be either but like I said upthread, if someone taught the kid how to fight that definitely would be. Send him to a Brazilian jiu jitsu school. Tie the guy up and you don't have to punch. BJJ is extremely effective....extremely. This. Bullying is hard when you have torn ligaments in your shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 So teaching your kid to be the adult in the room and say "whatever" and walk away is not an option here? If you'd read what I wrote, you'd see that my son has been instructed to be the adult in the room/walk away for years. Here's the results: Two times, he's been cold-cocked from behind, with the other kid hitting him in the face, then running away. Another time, a kid ... again, in motion, pushed his head into a wall ... then continued to run away. All year long .. select kids talk constant schit to him, then say, "what are you gonna do, p u ss y?" And he was the adult in the room and walked away. Guess how middle school onlookers view that .... yup, my son's the p us sy. Guess what bullies do with that ... they don't !@#$ing stop. So yes ... I am teaching my 14-year-old son to beat the ever living schit out of someone else's 14 year old son. And yes - I am instructing him to beat the little bastard bloody. And yes ... I am one hell of a great dad. That's one thing I know with certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If you'd read what I wrote, you'd see that my son has been instructed to be the adult in the room/walk away for years. Here's the results: Two times, he's been cold-cocked from behind, with the other kid hitting him in the face, then running away. Another time, a kid ... again, in motion, pushed his head into a wall ... then continued to run away. All year long .. select kids talk constant schit to him, then say, "what are you gonna do, p u ss y?" And he was the adult in the room and walked away. Guess how middle school onlookers view that .... yup, my son's the p us sy. Guess what bullies do with that ... they don't !@#$ing stop. So yes ... I am teaching my 14-year-old son to beat the ever living schit out of someone else's 14 year old son. And yes - I am instructing him to beat the little bastard bloody. And yes ... I am one hell of a great dad. That's one thing I know with certainty. No great dad's don't instruct their kids to potentially beat someone to death because they called them a name. Defending themselves in one thing but telling your kid it's ok to commit assault because they were called a name is asinine. Hope you have a bail bond fund set up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 As a parent of a child who'd been bullied for 5 years straight ... yes. I'm dead serious. Kids are ass holes because their parents raise them to be ass holes. No one should have to teach an 18 year old, or any child, to not stab people. Incidentally, I've been teaching my son to not throw a punch unless he's either been hit, or feels that getting hit is imminent; and to ignore/walk away. It doesn't work. So now, I've told him the next kid to !@#$ with him, even if it's just words, to punch him in the face. And to keep punching him in the face until the other kid asks him to stop, or until someone pulls him off. I agree with a lot of what you are saying to a certain extent. But there are a lot of a$$hole kids out there with good parents just like there are a lot of good kids out there with terrible parents. I think parenting plays a huge role in shaping kids but I don't think it's the always the deciding factor. It's the whole nature versus nurture argument. As far as raising kids go I'm teaching mine to stand up for themselves if somebody throws a stone I tell them to throw a boulder back. Bullies prey on the weak. As soon as they find out somebody will stand up for themselves they'll move on to the next person who won't for Better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Seriously? You're going with the "if the parents had taught him not to be a dick.." vs "if the kid had been taught you don't !@#$ing stab people??" WFT?? Teaching your kids both should be considered table stakes for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) So teaching your kid to be the adult in the room and say "whatever" and walk away is not an option here? The kid did walk away, he was walking out of the room. The other kid that got stabbed got up and stepped into him. That's when he stabbed him. Fling the pencil, stay seated when the kid stares him down... Don't get up and get in his grill. That's How You Get Shived in The Bronx: 101 That's how I read the details of the incident. It should play a part in how much time he serves. Edited September 28, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 So teaching your kid to be the adult in the room and say "whatever" and walk away is not an option here? Kids brains arent fully wired yet, makes that option difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Kids brains arent fully wired yet, makes that option difficult. Especially when somebody instigated the incident and steps into you as you are leaving the the room. Mix in the Bronx and urban wildlife conservation school or not, it becomes hunting season! The hunter just became the hunted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 No great dad's don't instruct their kids to potentially beat someone to death because they called them a name. Defending themselves in one thing but telling your kid it's ok to commit assault because they were called a name is asinine. Hope you have a bail bond fund set up for him. My son isn't Mike Tyson, and I'm using hyperbole. I told him to punch him in the face. If he keeps running his mouth, then hit him again. Wash, rinse, repeat. I have zero shame in giving these instructions. Five years is a long time to put up with that schit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 The kid did walk away, he was walking out of the room. The other kid that got stabbed got up and stepped into him. That's when he stabbed him. Oh well then I guess the murder was justified. My son isn't Mike Tyson, and I'm using hyperbole. I told him to punch him in the face. If he keeps running his mouth, then hit him again. Wash, rinse, repeat. I have zero shame in giving these instructions. Five years is a long time to put up with that schit. So once again you're advocating assault against a kid who's calling your kid names. I have a huge problem with that. Is this happening at school? If so how about having the school admins grow a set and put the bully in his place. Nothing scares a kid more than an adult authority figure who goes ape **** in their face but doesn't touch them. How about you have a word with the bully. Or are you scared of the big bully too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KermitMcDermott Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 There's better ways to deal with bullies. I was bullied in school growing up by a guy who was a lot bigger than me. I didn't stand chance in a fight with him. So I got creative. This guy was so arrogant that he didn't put a lock on his door because he was so sure that nobody would touch his stuff. Well I did. At the end of the year he ended up having to pay for some missing books. Its all water under the bridge, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 No. The murder wasn't justified. He'll do time, and rightly so. I say, let him out before he's 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Oh well then I guess the murder was justified. So once again you're advocating assault against a kid who's calling your kid names. I have a huge problem with that. Is this happening at school? If so how about having the school admins grow a set and put the bully in his place. Nothing scares a kid more than an adult authority figure who goes ape **** in their face but doesn't touch them. How about you have a word with the bully. Or are you scared of the big bully too? There are so many examples of reported bullying that go unaddressed by school administrators. Sometimes relying on the chain of command isn't a viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 There are so many examples of reported bullying that go unaddressed by school administrators. Sometimes relying on the chain of command isn't a viable option. Not a viable option? Well that's some !@#$ed up **** right there. If I were a parent and my child was bullied at school and the school did nothing I'd be all over the administrations ass until they did something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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