I'm a Taylor Fan........ But again 213 yards passing

[C.Biscuit97]

I'm not saying that they will pass on a guy. I'm saying that there is a chance that Tyrod could be the guy. They like his game, leadership, etc... As outsiders I think that they looked at him as a bridge and now they are saying "let's let this play out." That's the right thing to do. There is no reason to make a decision that you don't yet need to make.

 

In terms of Watson this NE defense is a shell of the defense they were even a year ago. Every offense has torched them!!! They are giving up 461 yards a game, by far the most in the league. I wouldn't be using the "strength of the Pats D" to support any argument.

I dont know Boss. I think if Tyrod or Peterman had that type of game against NE and it took a last second drive by Brady to beat us, wed be losing our minds with excitement.

[John from Riverside]

No I want to see them win. Also am disgusted with myself wasting 3 hours watching a terrible game because I am a fan.

 

New Orleans vs. Buffalo, I'd rather watch NO everytime given the same level of interest.

 

NO 7-9 3 straight seasons, but a ton of fun games. I can't remember the last fun game the Bills played.

So let me see if I have this straight

 

You would rather be entertained and lose....rather then watching a defensive matchup and win

[Billsfan1972]

No. The poster said specifically he'd rather see the team be 7-9 and pass more than 9-7 with a game more like they're playing now.

Last year against Seattle would be your cup of tea then. They had a big day on offense and lost. I'll bet you were jumping for joy that your supposed team lost.

Absolutely right an exciting game. Win it 10-7 & go 8-8 in the big picture no thanks.

 

I was at least entertained in that loss.

So let me see if I have this straight

 

You would rather be entertained and lose....rather then watching a defensive matchup and win

When the end result is mediocrity absolutely. The amount of time watching games like the Tennessee 14-13 stinker or Carolina 9-3 loss is a waste.

 

Answer this one........ Choose one......

10-7 win week 17 to go 8-8 where nothing happens

35-31 loss week 17 to go 7-9 where it come down to the last drive.....

 

Now extrapolate it the full season knowing the same choices and you have 17 weeks of compelling football and going 7-9 or 17 weeks of boring football to go 8-8.....

 

Sorry I take the 7-9 exciting season every single time.

[Kirby Jackson]

I dont know Boss. I think if Tyrod or Peterman had that type of game against NE and it took a last second drive by Brady to beat us, wed be losing our minds with excitement.

That is the worst defense in the league right now. 461 yards a game!!! If we are losing our minds about torching that team it's because we aren't paying attention to how truly awful their defense has been. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netYardsPerGame/position/defense

[John from Riverside]

Absolutely right an exciting game. Win it 10-7 & go 8-8 in the big picture no thanks.

 

I was at least entertained in that loss.

When the end result is mediocrity absolutely. The amount of time watching games like the Tennessee 14-13 stinker or Carolina 9-3 loss is a waste.

 

Answer this one........ Choose one......

10-7 win week 17 to go 8-8 where nothing happens

35-31 loss week 17 to go 7-9 where it come down to the last drive.....

 

Now extrapolate it the full season knowing the same choices and you have 17 weeks of compelling football and going 7-9 or 17 weeks of boring football to go 8-8.....

 

Sorry I take the 7-9 exciting season every single time.

OK....well...it is a free country lol

[Alphadawg7]

Not a single team you mentioned is a pop gun offense. The Bills passing offense hasn't shown that it isn't....... How far back you going with Dilfer & Grossman..... Yep Payton is a lousy QB that scares no one, nor does Russel Wilson, nor Keapernick the year they made the SB.

 

Guess what they too all threw multiple times for over 300, which the Bills haven't done in Regulation since 2014!!!!!! That was the point.

 

Oh and keep ignoring Matt Ryan, Ben Rothliesberger (sp.?) oh and that Tom Brady fellow in order to make your point......

 

Man, you are a terrible reader, poster, and are awful at even understanding what YOU WROTE.

 

I did NOT say all teams have been pop-gun or weak passing attacks. YOU...and I repeat YOU are the ONLY one that said NO TEAM has done anything in the last 15 years with a pop gun passing attack. So what does Ryan, Brady, etc have to do with me showing YOU that there are SOME TEAMS that have had SUCCESS without a POTENT passing attack? The ONLY person ignoring anything here is YOU.

 

So if you can't read...if you can't even remember your own claims and statements and then understand the response to your post...then maybe best you stop posting about it.

 

I have shown JUST IN THE SUPER BOWL ALONE teams that have had great success with average or worse Passing attacks. And Russel Wilson was on a pop gun passing attack that was a RUN first team with a TOP defense both SB appearance. Kapernick SAME THING. Big Ben...same thing in his early SB days. Rex Grossman...same thing. Trent Dilfer...same thing. 2015 Broncos SAME THING. MANY MANY examples completely disproving your baseless and illogical nonsense comment that NO TEAM in the last 15 years has done anything without a good passing attack. And again, I ONLY used SB examples...the teams GREATLY expand when you go into just Playoff teams.

 

This isn't even a discussable argument, its 1000% fact. And don't even get me started on how OFTEN teams with TOP passing attacks don't even make the playoffs...including Ryan, Stafford, Brees, Luck, and Rivers who combined for just THREE playoff appearances in the last 3 years out of FIFTEEN possible chances.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[oldmanfan]

Absolutely right an exciting game. Win it 10-7 & go 8-8 in the big picture no thanks.

 

I was at least entertained in that loss.

When the end result is mediocrity absolutely. The amount of time watching games like the Tennessee 14-13 stinker or Carolina 9-3 loss is a waste.

 

Answer this one........ Choose one......

10-7 win week 17 to go 8-8 where nothing happens

35-31 loss week 17 to go 7-9 where it come down to the last drive.....

 

Now extrapolate it the full season knowing the same choices and you have 17 weeks of compelling football and going 7-9 or 17 weeks of boring football to go 8-8.....

 

Sorry I take the 7-9 exciting season every single time.

This is just extraordinarily sad.

[Billsmovinup]

 

 

You can't complete in this league being at the BOTTOM of the league in passing yards every year.

You might be able to compete if your offense never turns the ball over, you average 20 plus point a game like they did last year and two out of three games this year, and you play great defense. If they continue to play the way they did against Denver they will probably win 10-11 games this year. Old school Bill Parcells football. Players doing the right thing most of the time. His words not mine. Edited September 29, 2017 by Billsmovinup

[Billsfan1972]

 

Man, you are a terrible reader, poster, and are awful at even understanding what YOU WROTE.

 

I did NOT say all teams have been pop-gun or weak passing attacks. YOU...and I repeat YOU are the ONLY one that said NO TEAM has done anything in the last 15 years with a pop gun passing attack. So what does Ryan, Brady, etc have to do with me showing YOU that there are SOME TEAMS that have had SUCCESS without a POTENT passing attack? The ONLY person ignoring anything here is YOU.

 

So if you can't read...if you can't even remember your own claims and statements and then understand the response to your post...then maybe best you stop posting about it.

 

I have shown JUST IN THE SUPER BOWL ALONE teams that have had great success with average or worse Passing attacks. And Russel Wilson was on a pop gun passing attack that was a RUN first team with a TOP defense both SB appearance. Kapernick SAME THING. Big Ben...same thing in his early SB days. Rex Grossman...same thing. Trent Dilfer...same thing. 2015 Broncos SAME THING. MANY MANY examples completely disproving your baseless and illogical nonsense comment that NO TEAM in the last 15 years has done anything without a good passing attack. And again, I ONLY used SB examples...the teams GREATLY expand when you go into just Playoff teams.

 

This isn't even a discussable argument, its 1000% fact. And don't even get me started on how OFTEN teams with TOP passing attacks don't even make the playoffs...including Ryan, Stafford, Brees, Luck, and Rivers who combined for just THREE playoff appearances in the last 3 years out of FIFTEEN possible chances.

And no you can't read!!!! Boy let's both sound like 10 year olds.....

 

Still Grossman & Dilfer???? Get off that soapbox.

 

I said all SB teams had QB's who are capable and do throw 300 yard games (my yardstick) and keep defenses honest. Oh yea and engineer comebacks.....

 

Keep telling me Big Ben & Russell Wilson are not dangerous QB's and that no one feared Peyton Manning or that Eli did not have 9 300 yard games in the season the second time he beat NE.......

Edited September 29, 2017 by Billsfan1972

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

His QB rating in his last 6 games is like 109.

 

While true, does it really mean he is as good as Brady, Rodgers, Brees or Ryan?

correlated to winning..

 

50 yards and a score is 50 yards and a score. Passing and Rushing s/b equally valued. But hey, that is just me

 

I think a balanced attack is highly valued by coaches and OCs and highly hated by DCs. And you're right the points count the same.

 

What I mean by correlated to winning:

Back in Da Day - maybe 5, maybe 3 years ago - I collected a season's data on offense and on Ws, and looked for statistical correlations using regression analysis. I'm not a statistician, but I used statistics a lot for my job, so easy peasy 4 me.

 

Much to my surprise, passing yardage came out not at all statistically correlated to winning. Rushing yardage, OTOH, was statistically correlated to winning. I was surprised because we hear so much about "it's a passing league", so I went through about 5 years of data, same thing.

 

Now correlation is not causation, as statisticians and scientists like to point out. I think it's because teams that are behind, are often slinging it frantically to try to score quickly and catch up. OTOH, teams that are ahead, are usually handing off and grinding it out as the safer, more clock-eating option.

 

Anyway, it was an educational experience. Bunch of things that were correlated to winning: 3rd down conversion percentage, AY/A, sacks (negative correlation), nothing too startling there.

I'd post the data but that was three computers ago and it's long gone.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Alphadawg7]

And no you can't read!!!! Boy let's both sound like 10 year olds.....

 

Still Grossman & Dilfer???? Get off that soapbox.

 

I said all SB teams had QB's who are capable and do throw 300 yard games (my yardstick) and keep defenses honest. Oh yea and engineer comebacks.....

 

Keep telling me Big Ben & Russell Wilson are not dangerous QB's and that no one feared Peyton Manning or that Eli did not have 9 300 yard games in the season the second time he beat NE.......

 

Wait...so we are supposed to ignore Dilfer and Grossman because it doesn't fit your false statement? LMAO, now I have heard it all.

 

And you did NOT mention ALL SB teams...you said any team that has done anything. I AM the one who used JUST THE SB to point out that just in the SB alone there are teams that disprove your statements including 4 of the past 5 Super Bowls played.

 

And most importantly...you FALSELY are using what the QB's EVENTUALLY became to negate what they ACTUALLY WERE at the time of the reference. Seahawks were in NO WAY a passing attack team and fully built on the back of the D and bruising run game that also included Wilson as a runner when they made those SB runs. Big Ben was also young and the Steelers were completely built around the power run game and stout defense, not even close to what Big Ben EVENTUALLY became as he progressed as a passer.

 

So again, YOUR statement which you don't seem to even know what you wrote anymore was that NO ONE has done ANYTHING while I showed you SB participants that completely destroy that statement alone. And if you want me to start talking about the playoffs also, then all kinds of additional teams over the last 15 years enter that conversation like the Chiefs, Texans, etc.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Rodgers didn't even top 200 last night. I think the packers have some serious decisions to make.

[34-78-83]

Why are people bringing up EJ? Such a stupid point to make. Its like all the idiots who yell Liberal and Conservative to everything.

 

I want every Bills qb to succeed. I defended JP, Trent, EJ, Fitz, & whoever. Most rational people think Tyrod is fine. I dont want fine. I want a difference maker. I dont want to be excited if our qb puts up 200 yards passing.

 

Tyrod is an easy guy to root for. I just dont think he is the long term answer. Hes like a 6/10. It looks a lot better because weve had 4s and 3s.

Your whole problem (no I don't want to argue with you for 3 pages) is that you keep referencing yards passing per game. Attempts are decided by scheme, situation and coaches call. No Qb controls their # of attempts per game without it aligning with all that. Your approach would instantly force me to ask myself things like "how many would-be pass attempts turned into runs by TT? (sometimes these are 10-15 yard runs) and do those now count as pass attempts?" Then there's the Carson Wentz example - I'm gonna throw 50 passes and "achieve" 300 yds passing but only end up with 5.5 YPA. Oooooohhh wow impressive right? What you are trying to argue would reach a larger audience if you drop the passing yards per game having any meaning thing.

[JM2009]

Um I don't know...SMH

 

What was Fitz record in his power trip here? He had a stretch too and the exact same excuses many fans are pointing to with Tyrod, so Chan got on the Fitz wagon

The Fitz nonsense , again. Fitz was well below .500 here. Right now TT is two games over.

[The Wiz]

Rodgers didn't even top 200 last night. I think the packers have some serious decisions to make.

He did net 4 TD's though.

[JM2009]

Hey man all I want is better for my favorite team. I'm sick of the if the D just did it all and our QB just was average enough. I want a playoff run for once, I want playoff games to go to and expect to win. I am hopeful of a QB drafted early but sadly I'm starting to see excuses starting to mount to give them a excuse to not draft one and build around Tyrod. Just pointing that out is all.

 

Tyrod is Fitz, a backup QB from another team who got a raise with the Bills.

What's with the name calling dude, you don't like my opinion fine buy back off the name calling. Why so serious?

 

I'm mixed on the score prediction right now, I hope our D continues to be dominate so it could be a very low score game but they have so many weapons it could be a shootout that Tyrod won't keep up on so I have nothing on the prediction for this week. Eitherway like many I see it as a loss I just hope it isn't a blowout.

Yet you weren't sick of the bad defense last year when the offense did enough.

He did net 4 TD's though.

But it's a failure because he didn't top 300 yards.lol

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

I think a balanced attack is highly valued by coaches and OCs and highly hated by DCs. And you're right the points count the same.

 

What I mean by correlated to winning:

Back in Da Day - maybe 5, maybe 3 years ago - I collected a season's data on offense and on Ws, and looked for statistical correlations using regression analysis. I'm not a statistician, but I used statistics a lot for my job, so easy peasy 4 me.

 

Much to my surprise, passing yardage came out not at all statistically correlated to winning. Rushing yardage, OTOH, was statistically correlated to winning. I was surprised because we hear so much about "it's a passing league", so I went through about 5 years of data, same thing.

 

Now correlation is not causation, as statisticians and scientists like to point out. I think it's because teams that are behind, are often slinging it frantically to try to score quickly and catch up. OTOH, teams that are ahead, are usually handing off and grinding it out as the safer, more clock-eating option.

 

Anyway, it was an educational experience. Bunch of things that were correlated to winning: 3rd down conversion percentage, AY/A, sacks (negative correlation), nothing too startling there.

I'd post the data but that was three computers ago and it's long gone.

1 - I'm a balanced attack guy myself. and points is points

 

2- I agree. 500 yards passing in a game is no more a guarantee that 200 rushing yards is.

 

I don't want to see a 400 to 500 yard passing game every week. I would just like to know that my teams QB is capable of it so that when it is needed It can be put to good use.

Edited September 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[xRUSHx]

He did net 4 TD's though.

It makes chuckle when these guys try hard to point Tyrod into the Rogers/Brady category when if you really look at it those two win games regularly while always in the playoff hunt and make it happen when it counts while Tyrod is padding stats after a negative first half. Wow look at those stats in that loss. SMH

 

Tyrod did ok the first few games better then I expected from him but to lump him into that category with those 2 is the reason we still have some thinking it's everyone else at fault as to why this team isn't a playoff team.

 

The real season starts now, like it or not we will see where this team is going. Again I was surprised at Tyrod but since our D stood on their heads and we had a few lucky breaks we got those two wins not because Tyrod did anything a franchise worthy QB would have done just what a backup QB is trained to do, protect the ball and hope the rest of the team bails you out.

1 - I'm a balanced attack guy myself. and points is points

 

2- I agree. 500 yards passing in a game is no more a guarantee that 200 rushing yards is.

 

I don't want to see a 400 to 500 yard passing game every week. I would just like to know that my teams QB is capable of it so that when it is needed It can be put to good use.

After 2 years we know he isn't capable of doing it, that's why many want more because yes the QB is the one that either gets you to the playoffs or ends the playoff run.

 

Some day we will have a offense that teams fear but for now we have to wish the rest of the team plays so well they can cover for our QB that is trained to play as a backup.

[JM2009]

It makes chuckle when these guys try hard to point Tyrod into the Rogers/Brady category when if you really look at it those two win games regularly while always in the playoff hunt and make it happen when it counts while Tyrod is padding stats after a negative first half. Wow look at those stats in that loss. SMH

 

Tyrod did ok the first few games better then I expected from him but to lump him into that category with those 2 is the reason we still have some thinking it's everyone else at fault as to why this team isn't a playoff team.

 

The real season starts now, like it or not we will see where this team is going. Again I was surprised at Tyrod but since our D stood on their heads and we had a few lucky breaks we got those two wins not because Tyrod did anything a franchise worthy QB would have done just what a backup QB is trained to do, protect the ball and hope the rest of the team bails you out.

 

After 2 years we know he isn't capable of doing it, that's why many want more because yes the QB is the one that either gets you to the playoffs or ends the playoff run.

 

Some day we will have a offense that teams fear but for now we have to wish the rest of the team plays so well they can cover for our QB that is trained to play as a backup.

So the Denver game wasn't a real game because the Bills won with TT. Denver is over rated , right? Just like I said yesterday about the Atlanta game-chomping at the bit because we all know the Bills will probably lose this one. newsflash: Most teams would lose in Atlanta, even those with elite QBs.

[The Wiz]

But it's a failure because he didn't top 300 yards.lol

In some peoples minds, yes. That would be correct.