mjt328 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 No, they do not have the power to stop it. The players are members of a labor union and their employment is subject to the terms of a collective bargaining agreement that prevents the owners from firing disciplining them for expressing their views in the ways that the protesters have done. But don't feel bad; that is a concept that our president apparently does not grasp, either. Dozens of legal opinions have been published today (on both sides of the fence), and they almost unanimously agree that the NFL has the right to fire players for virtually any reason. The First Amendment does not apply to private business. I agree with Trump. Not necessarily because I'm against the protests or that I wish the players would get fired, but because the NFL should have instructed the players to keep their political opinions OFF THE FIELD. This whole thing has been nothing but a distraction, and very damaging to the league.
GETTOTHE50 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 politics has been entering into every facet of life. please let it end, cause no one wins when it gets to that point asides from the politicians. and !@#$ allllll the politicians.
stony Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You're right. They should listen to Kaeper- douche. Anybody who thought of this should look in the mirror.
Boatdrinks Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Anybody who thought of this should look in the mirror. Oh, you're a Kaep fan.
CardinalScotts Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Shady jumped to his feet to applaud during a military introduction....dont mention this Jim
SoCal Deek Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Let me see if I can simplify this. You should choose the target of your protest carefully. Protesting the National Anthem gives your audience the impression that you don't approve of the Country as a whole! If you don't like your employer, you go on strike. If you don't like a restaurant you complain to the Manager. If you feel a company has done you wrong you might picket in front of their headquarters. It makes ZERO sense to make the National Anthem the target of your protest....thus the confusion in both the message AND the response to it. Kapearnick is an idiot.
eball Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 you could say the same about the protesting players, too. Not if you understand the issue in the first place.
Numark3 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Oh, you're a Kaep fan. No hes probably not in third grade. There have been plenty of people I dont like, I dont think I change their names into insults. Its not offensive, just childish lol
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Not if you understand the issue in the first place. What issue is it again? I've heard about 5 different ones.
Boatdrinks Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 If "other methods had been used", no one would have noticed and no attention would have been brought to the problem. That was kind of the point of the protests, whether you agree with the concern or not. So it was a " look at me attention getter" . I think you drastically underestimate the liberal bent of the media and how they would gobble up any protest that the players decided to do. They could do it on the way to the locker room before the half or when they returned to the field after halftime or whatever. The media will gobble it up. They would make sure everyone knew about it.
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Funny part is people buy these guys jerseys and wear them in public... LoL... Betcha they get so butt hurt when their "hero" they just spent 200 bucks endorsing is on the other side of their douchebag line... LMAO! Edited September 25, 2017 by ExiledInIllinois
Boatdrinks Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 No hes probably not in third grade. There have been plenty of people I dont like, I dont think I change their names into insults. Its not offensive, just childish lol You should see the names used to describe Trump.
Fadingpain Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 As I've said many times here, just get rid of all the pre-game BS involving the National Anthem, Honor Guards, giant field-sized US flags, military flyovers and all of it. Let the military spend their marketing dollars on TV commercials instead. Get this **** out of the game of football. It has no place before a football game. At all!
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 https://twitter.com/justinshanes/status/912026157419077633
stony Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Oh, you're a Kaep fan. I'm team content. That's bad content.
nucci Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 As I've said many times here, just get rid of all the pre-game BS involving the National Anthem, Honor Guards, giant field-sized US flags, military flyovers and all of it. Let the military spend their marketing dollars on TV commercials instead. Get this **** out of the game of football. It has no place before a football game. At all! I concur
4_kidd_4 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 I think that last WGR caller brought up a very good point. He's a disabled vet. He stated that he doesn't like what the players are doing but he also defends the right they have to do it. No one and I repeat no one, has ever died for a flag. They may have died for freedom, but that is also the right to burn flags if you want to. -Bill Hicks
Numark3 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You should see the names used to describe Trump. Its on both sides! Doesnt mean you should join one of them. Just because he has nicknames for Hillary or NK leader doesnt mean its above that third grade level. Its all baby talk, no matter who says it
4_kidd_4 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You should see the names used to describe Trump. Wait....are we now sensitive to locker room talk? I mean make up your minds guys.
mannc Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Dozens of legal opinions have been published today (on both sides of the fence), and they almost unanimously agree that the NFL has the right to fire players for virtually any reason. The First Amendment does not apply to private business.I've read quite a few of those opinions. It's true that the US Constitution does not protect the players from being fired by their teams or by the league, but that's not really the issue. The players are union members who are protected by a collective bargaining agreement that sheilds them from being fired, except under certain circumstances. Under the CBA, a team could release a player for participating in peaceful protests, but the player could file a grievance that would be decided by a neutral arbitrator and could be reinstated. I've seen the language in the CBA that the owners might try to rely upon, and I think its unlikely that the owners would prevail, but I will admit that the ultimate result would depend on a lot of other previous arbitrators' decisions (and other factors) that I'm not privy to. There are also state and local laws in many of the jurisdictions where NFL teams are located that protect workers from being fired for engaging in rights that are protected by the state or federal constitution. Whether those laws apply will vary, of course, depending on where the team is located. Edited September 25, 2017 by mannc
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