Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 So would Jim Kelly for Chris Watson at this point. Good point. When you think about it, Jeff Tuel for Art Donovan would be a steal.
HappyDays Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 The first INT was almost as bad. Leaning backwards, throwing sidearm, 20 yards downfield into the middle of about four defenders. That was awful. There were two reasons I thought the Bills had a chance today. The heat and humidity with Denver having to play on the road across the country where they aren't as good as at home, and that Seimien just isn't that good. And he wasn't. He made a few nice throws but every NFL QB can do that. I thought the Bills had a good chance today because Vegas only had them as 3 point underdogs and you never argue with Vegas when you are sure the spread is too low.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 No. Siemian isn't a 7th year player with 3 years as a starter. Players with worse physical tools than him have gone on to be better QB's than both him and TT in their career. He's 10-7 as a starter, in his third year in the league, and second year starter, at 25 years old. Before today, he was tied for first in TD passes thrown. He's got room to grow and has already demonstrated to have grown A TON since last season. When this season shakes out, Siemian will be considered a better QB than TT. Osweiler had a winning record on that team, too, and he's terrible.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 No. Siemian isn't a 7th year player with 3 years as a starter. Players with worse physical tools than him have gone on to be better QB's than both him and TT in their career. He's 10-7 as a starter, in his third year in the league, and second year starter, at 25 years old. Before today, he was tied for first in TD passes thrown. He's got room to grow and has already demonstrated to have grown A TON since last season. When this season shakes out, Siemian will be considered a better QB than TT. He's a 7th round pick in year 2 as a starter. He is what he is, an incredibly limited player with an AMAZING offensive coach (that we almost landed). He won't be a better player because he can't get much better. He's a smart kid in a great system with limited tools. He is a high floor and low ceiling guy. You can do worse than Siemian but his ceiling is nowhere near Tyrod's. He can't do one thing physically that Taylor can't.
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. Get my drift?
bobobonators Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 No. Siemian isn't a 7th year player with 3 years as a starter. Players with worse physical tools than him have gone on to be better QB's than both him and TT in their career. He's 10-7 as a starter, in his third year in the league, and second year starter, at 25 years old. Before today, he was tied for first in TD passes thrown. He's got room to grow and has already demonstrated to have grown A TON since last season. When this season shakes out, Siemian will be considered a better QB than TT. What do you do with yourself on a day like today? You're a sad individual.
BringBackOrton Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) 10-7 record.... behind one of the best defenses in the league for the past two years. Siemian is OK. I'll take Tyrod any day over him. And one of the worst rushing attacks. So... Osweiler had a winning record on that team, too, and he's terrible. Well, that was the 2015 team, which was actually better than the 2016 team. Rushing attack was way better. Defense was better. And clearly we can all agree Siemian is better than the Brocketship, right? He's a 7th round pick in year 2 as a starter. He is what he is, an incredibly limited player with an AMAZING offensive coach (that we almost landed). He won't be a better player because he can't get much better. He's a smart kid in a great system with limited tools. He is a high floor and low ceiling guy. You can do worse than Siemian but his ceiling is nowhere near Tyrod's. He can't do one thing physically that Taylor can't. Dude, who cares? You sound like the ghost of Al Davis. There have been plenty of QB's who can't run as fast as TT or have as strong of an arm who are a million times the QB he is. Brady doesn't have TT's arm at this point. Neither did Peyton in 2014. Siemian may never scramble for a first like TT can. But what he can do is get better between the ears. I think he already has, unlike TT. And you'll see that this season. That's why being in your third season instead of your seventh matters. Edited September 24, 2017 by jmc12290
Section242 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 A Bronco's "insider," or what not was on GR this week and said the Bills had a deal in place for Siemian if they were to get Romo. I hate that idea more than I hated the idea of bringing Taylor back.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) And one of the worst rushing attacks. So... Well, that was the 2015 team, which was actually better than the 2016 team. Rushing attack was way better. Defense was better. And clearly we can all agree Siemian is better than the Brocketship, right? Dude, who cares? You sound like the ghost of Al Davis. There have been plenty of QB's who can't run as fast as TT or have as strong of an arm who are a million times the QB he is. Brady doesn't have TT's arm at this point. Neither did Peyton in 2014. Siemian may never scramble for a first like TT can. But what he can do is get better between the ears. I think he already has, unlike TT. And you'll see that this season. That's why being in your third season instead of your seventh matters. You are the one that said "his ceiling is higher." If he can't do anything better his ceiling isn't higher. His floor may be higher but one would argue that Tyrod was on pace to lead the offense to have the fewest turnovers in NFL history last year. I'd argue his floor is pretty high. A high ceiling guy makes a lot of plays that others can't. A low floor is a guy that makes mistakes. You made a claim that's just not true. No guy with limited physical tools has a high ceiling. Edited September 25, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You are the one that said "his ceiling is higher." If he can't do anything better his ceiling isn't higher. His floor may be higher but one would argue that Tyrod was on pace to lead the offense to have the fewest turnovers in NFL history last year. I'd argue his floor is pretty high. A high ceiling guy makes a lot of plays that others can't. A low floor is a guy that makes mistakes. You made a claim that's just not true. No guy with limited physics tools has a high ceiling. High ceiling is relative. Because potential has a shelf life. Tyrod's ceiling is, well, what we've seen from TT the last three years. That's not "high." Siemian's ceiling is Montana. Case closed.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) High ceiling is relative. Because potential has a shelf life. Tyrod's ceiling is, well, what we've seen from TT the last three years. That's not "high." Siemian's ceiling is Montana. Case closed. Oh, Siemian's ceiling is Montana but Tyrod can't get better? You make a strong argument there!! Good stuff, keep bringing it!! I'm going to screenshot that so that it never disappears. Edited September 25, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Oh, Siemian's ceiling is Montana but Tyrod can't get better? You make a strong argument there!! Good stuff, keep bringing it What's your argument again? There's not one physical thing Trevor does better than Vince Young! Denver should give him a call! Edited September 25, 2017 by jmc12290
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Oh, Siemian's ceiling is Montana but Tyrod can't get better? You make a strong argument there!! Good stuff, keep bringing it!! I'm going to screenshot that so that it never disappears. Oh the inanity! Save your keystrokes for a better and more sane argument. Montana.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 What's your argument again? There's not one physical thing Trevor does better than Vince Young! Denver should give him a call! Go home you're drunk
K D Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 He played better than he has and did what they asked of him. Let's not get too crazy though. He only had 200 yards passing. Brady had half that on the final drive of the game alone. We will see next week that we still need a QB to keep up with teams that have one
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Go home you're drunk Dwight Howard can be Shaq! Who cares how long he's been in the league!
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Oh the inanity! Save your keystrokes for a better and more sane argument. Montana. Ha ha, how great was that?!? Tyrod can't get ANY better but Siemian may be Montana!!!! Ha ha ha haHe played better than he has and did what they asked of him. Let's not get too crazy though. He only had 200 yards passing. Brady had half that on the final drive of the game alone. We will see next week that we still need a QB to keep up with teams that have oneYou forgot the part about "single handidly carried the offense to victory against an elite defense." But pass yards....
K D Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You forgot the part about "single handidly carried the offense to victory against an elite defense." But pass yards.... He did what he needed to do today. He still can't put up 300+ yards in the air and keep up with teams like Atlanta and NE. He is what he is and this isn't any special performance that we haven't seen from him in the past. This is his ceiling and luckily we didn't need anything more from him thanks to the way our defense played
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Ha ha, how great was that?!? Tyrod can't get ANY better but Siemian may be Montana!!!! Ha ha ha ha You forgot the part about "single handidly carried the offense to victory against an elite defense." But pass yards.... This was good. Kirby, who has more TD's and total yards (passing and rushing) this year, TT or Trevor?
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 He did what he needed to do today. He still can't put up 300+ yards in the air and keep up with teams like Atlanta and NE. He is what he is and this isn't any special performance that we haven't seen from him in the past. This is his ceiling and luckily we didn't need anything more from him thanks to the way our defense playedI don't disagree that the Bills can't keep up with the track meet teams. I'd say that it comes from a lack of skill players all around. Tyrod is never going to be Aaron Rodgers but he's certainly not going to be with a bottom 3 receiving group. You can't score every possession without playmakers. At the same time the Bills will always compete with good teams that play solid defense and control the clock. The Bills don't make mistakes either. The Raiders, Falcons, Patriots and Lions are the toughest match-ups in the NFL for the Bills imo.
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