C.Biscuit97 Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Passer rating is computed from 4 stats. Completion %, YPA, TD%, and INT%. Tyrod currently has a better Completion % than all 3 of the guys you listed; a better YPA than all but Rodgers, whom he is .11 behind; a higher TD% than all of them; and is only ahead of Rodgers for INT% I personally use a different blend of stats for my ratings (and factor in attempts per game), which would place Tyrod last among the 3 you listed plus him. (Rodgers is 6, Wilson is 9, Ben is 15, Tyrod is 21 currently) I like your system much better than qbr. You should post your rankings. I think Tyrod had one of his best games on Sunday and dont want to take that away from him. I just dont think he can ever consistently string games like that together.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Taylor's 3rd down conversion % on 3rd down passes is 42.3% (guess you ignored my post above) and he's just about middle of the pack in the NFL. But that number is actually an improvement over the last 2 years. TT and the team have made improvements to 3rd down conversion %. That is kind of what I was trying to say, but things got misinterpreted. I would like to see the 50% 3rd down conversion % more consistently over those bad days when single games did get very low. That doesn't mean I was incorrect in saying that there were a number of games in the past 2 seasons where 3rd down conversion % WAS an issue.
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 You put Russell Wilson ahead of Tyrod this season? Try watching the games instead of looking up pass attempts. Is that seriously the metric you're using?? Not even pass yards, pass attempts?? Um, every non Bulls homer would put Wilson ahead of Tyrod. Are you even being serious?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Passer rating is computed from 4 stats. Completion %, YPA, TD%, and INT%. Tyrod currently has a better Completion % than all 3 of the guys you listed; a better YPA than all but Rodgers, whom he is .11 behind; a higher TD% than all of them; and is only ahead of Rodgers for INT% I personally use a different blend of stats for my ratings (and factor in attempts per game), which would place Tyrod last among the 3 you listed plus him. (Rodgers is 6, Wilson is 9, Ben is 15, Tyrod is 21 currently) not to keep beating this poor horse .... The stats LOOK GREAT. YET In a clutch game with 1:22 seconds on the clock and 60 yards to go ..... Which QB would you choose to be under center? Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben?
26CornerBlitz Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 not to keep beating this poor horse .... The stats LOOK GREAT. YET In a clutch game with 1:22 seconds on the clock and 60 yards to go ..... Which QB would you choose to be under center? Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Which would you fellow Bills fans rather see? 15 completions on 20 attempts or 30 completions on 40 attempts
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 not to keep beating this poor horse .... The stats LOOK GREAT. YET In a clutch game with 1:22 seconds on the clock and 60 yards to go ..... Which QB would you choose to be under center? Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben? Would a thread comparing Tyrod to Big Ben, Rodgers, Wilson exist besides here? Its kinda crazy. We limit the amount of times Tyrod passes. Its been 3 OCs now. He is what he is. Where do you get those wonderful toys?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 can you answer the question please? In a clutch game with 1:22 seconds on the clock and 60 yards to go ..... Which QB would you choose to be under center? Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben or Tyrod? Where do you get those wonderful toys? the internet. Use Google, Bing or Yahoo then search Beat Dead Horse Gif
26CornerBlitz Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 can you answer the question please? In a clutch game with 1:22 seconds on the clock and 60 yards to go ..... Which QB would you choose to be under center? Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben or Tyrod? the internet. Use Google, Bing or Yahoo then search Beat Dead Horse Gif It's not a real question. Everyone would take any of the other three before Tyrod....obviously.
GoBills808 Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Passer rating is computed from 4 stats. Completion %, YPA, TD%, and INT%. Tyrod currently has a better Completion % than all 3 of the guys you listed; a better YPA than all but Rodgers, whom he is .11 behind; a higher TD% than all of them; and is only ahead of Rodgers for INT% I personally use a different blend of stats for my ratings (and factor in attempts per game), which would place Tyrod last among the 3 you listed plus him. (Rodgers is 6, Wilson is 9, Ben is 15, Tyrod is 21 currently) Passer rating definitely favors quarterbacks who complete a lot of passes. The calculation actually counts completions twice in the formula, because completion % and YPA both factor in completions.
transplantbillsfan Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 @DOrlandoAJC Analytics: #Bills Tyrod Taylor 16th best quarterback in the NFL: https://www.myajc.com/sports/football/analytics-taylor-16th-best-quarterback-the-nfl/GaXkostfxozdeIaYg2hWgL/ Sounds about right I'd say. For now... think of that as a figure of speech and not literally factual please. We've seen some bad games in the last 32 wrt 3rd down. The good thing is we have seen improvement. It's convenient the way you do this. And you do it a lot. And this is where advance stats completely miss the boat. TT has a better qb than Rodgers, BigBen, and Wilson. It's about how they're playing right now. This season. That PFF figure isn't recognizing Taylor as the 3rd best QB in all of the NFL. It's saying that through 3 games, they grade him as having the 3rd best (by their standards) this season, through only 3 games. Why is it so hard to understand that saying Taylor is playing better than Wilson or Rivers right now doesn't equal saying he's a better QB?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) think of that as a figure of speech and not literally factual please. It's convenient the way you do this. And you do it a lot. I said I had seen the conversion rate below 30 a few times I have also seen games where the Bills went three and out on 3, 4 and 5 straight drives. I'm not going to do 20 minutes of research to give out an exact stat to the Nth decimal point. I'll read a post and then respond from memory. Some times I remember correctly some times I don't. If people want to get bent out of shape because I generalize then that's on them for being more anal than I am. Do what? Praise TT when praise is warranted and offer criticism where criticism is warranted? I do it every day. The problem is people tend to read my posts as Anti TT and not what they actually are. Would you not prefer to see the Bills be consistently 50% on 3rd down conversion over a 30% rate? Edited September 28, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
transplantbillsfan Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Which would you fellow Bills fans rather see? 15 completions on 20 attempts or 30 completions on 40 attempts Depends on what he's doing with those completions and attempts
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 I like your system much better than qbr. You should post your rankings. I think Tyrod had one of his best games on Sunday and dont want to take that away from him. I just dont think he can ever consistently string games like that together. Should I include players with 1 game (i.e. Bradford)? Or nah?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Which would you fellow Bills fans rather see? 15 completions on 20 attempts or 30 completions on 40 attempts ...a WIN PERIOD.......who gives a rat's azz about stats?.....1 for 2 and 22 yds WITH the W works for me.....the stat rats around here are...._____.........I'll leave it right there..............
Bangarang Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Hey guys, what are we arguing about today?
Scott7975 Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 Hey guys, what are we arguing about today? I think its about if its more important to have 300 passing yards or win a football game.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Hey guys, what are we arguing about today? I think its about if its more important to have 300 passing yards or win a football game. That was so yesterday. Or not. Edited September 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
grb Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Would you not prefer to see the Bills be consistently 50% on 3rd down conversion over a 30% rate? The Bills were 13th in the NFL in third down conversion percentage in 2016, ahead of Arizona & Seattle, behind Pittsburgh, the Chargers and Detroit. This year they're 15th, though the sample size probably isn't adequate yet. The percentages? 40.95% in 2016. 39.13% so far this year. A conversion rate of fifty percent was achieved by zero teams last year, the highest number being New Orleans's 48.64%. The numbers are in a fairly tight group, from the Saint's best to the Ram's worst, at 31.46%. Given a team has plus-minus 13 third downs per game, that means the difference between highest success and most humiliating failure is a couple of third down plays per game. With the majority of teams in the middle, a single play per game swings them way up or down the chart. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2017-02-06 https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-downs-per-game Edited September 29, 2017 by grb
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 The Bills were 13th in the NFL in third down conversion percentage in 2016, ahead of Arizona & Seattle, behind Pittsburgh, the Chargers and Detroit. This year they're 15th, though the sample size probably isn't adequate yet. The percentages? 40.95% in 2016. 39.13% so far this year. A conversion rate of fifty percent was achieved by zero teams last year, the highest number being New Orleans's 48.64%. The numbers are in a fairly tight group, from the Saint's best to the Ram's worst, at 31.46%. Given a team has plus-minus 13 third downs per game, that means the difference between highest success and most humiliating failure is a couple of third down plays per game. With the majority of teams in the middle, a single play per game swings them way up or down the chart. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2017-02-06 https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-downs-per-game They have been making improvements in this area. My worry is that they might fall back into that rut.
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