/dev/null Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Well, Steve Kerr probably should get a free ride on his political statements considering his dad was executed by terrorists with a shot to the head in Beirut when he was 18. So youre in favor of bestowing hereditary entitlements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) So you approve of keeping the black community in the ghetto. Good to know. So you approve of keeping the black community in the ghetto. Good to know. Huh? How did you get that from everything I typed? What I was saying is that I don't approve of corporate welfare and that it is costs the average taxpayer much more than poor people on welfare and food stamps. Way to just totally skip over and not address any the information I presented you though. Edit - actually, I didn't even realize that you were referring to "the ghetto" with your comment below. So you are saying that all the people who don't pay taxes live in the ghetto and are black? Sure sound like it... yikes! Actually, a large percentage of people get a free ride in this country. What percentage of people don't pay taxes? And how many of them are able bodied workers who refuse to find work? It's amazing how when you cut off the free ride, people are able to find jobs. Edited September 25, 2017 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So youre in favor of bestowing hereditary entitlements? Nope. Each case is its own entity. Steve Kerr has always been very involved in politics. He has a unique experience and is a thinking man's type. He shouldn't be lumped into the asssinine "oh, he's just another dumb jock and he should keep his mouth shut" azzholiness that has pervaded this board and the national conversation lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Nope. Each case is its own entity. Steve Kerr has always been very involved in politics. He has a unique experience and is a thinking man's type. He shouldn't be lumped into the asssinine "oh, he's just another dumb jock and he should keep his mouth shut" azzholiness that has pervaded this board and the national conversation lately. Jock's, by and large, are stupid. Even the "smart" jocks. Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Jock's, by and large, are stupid. Even the "smart" jocks. Stupid. Prove it. I can prove jmc12290 is stupid about 2799 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Prove it. I can prove jmc12290 is stupid about 2799 times.his next post, though, that'll be intellectual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Look up corporate welfare before you go getting mad about people not paying taxes. Bet you also don't care Trump hasn't paid taxes in years. He said it himself, that he used a $918M loss in 1995 to avoid paying federal taxes for years (up to 18yrs he can use it, but he wouldn't say how long it's been and he won't release his tax returns, so...) The rich get far far more tax breaks than the middle class and poor. There are some massive corporations that don't pay any taxes! Here's a list of corporations in the US that did and didn't didn't pay federal taxes. 18 of the largest corporations in the US didn't pay any federal taxes from 2008-2015. Rhere were 100 that didn't pay any federal taxes in a single year between that time period. You are talking Billions of dollars of federal tax revenue lost from just 1 corporation alone, let alone what's lost from all of them combined over this 8 year period. https://itep.org/the-35-percent-corporate-tax-myth/#.WMGvmBIrLUZ Oh, and welfare + food stamps only cost the average tax payer around $40 dollars per year. Where as the most conservative estimate I could find on what corporate subsidies cost the average tax payer shows a cost of $2436 per average taxpayer, per year. http://thefederalist.com/2013/09/30/calculating-the-real-cost-of-corporate-welfare/ Why do leftists always bring up corporate welfare? That's a left-wing policy. That's like Philip Morris selling alcohol and then saying "before you go bashing alcohol producers you should take a look at the ass holes selling cigarettes. Nope. Each case is its own entity. Steve Kerr has always been very involved in politics. He has a unique experience and is a thinking man's type. He shouldn't be lumped into the asssinine "oh, he's just another dumb jock and he should keep his mouth shut" azzholiness that has pervaded this board and the national conversation lately. In fairness, his statement was pretty stupid. His dad's fate is unfortunate but I don't see how it's related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 In fairness, his statement was pretty stupid. His dad's fate is unfortunate but I don't see how it's related. https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/24/steve-kerr-warriors-donald-trump-white-house-stephen-curry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Prove it. I can prove jmc12290 is stupid about 2799 times. At least a quarter of those wouldn't support that claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/24/steve-kerr-warriors-donald-trump-white-house-stephen-curry From Steve Kerr Theyre protesting excessive police violence and racial inequality. Those are really good things to fight against. I honestly think this is pathetic. They're protesting a strawman and doing so in an idiotic way. They haven't studied the issue or researched the facts. Kaepernick said he's doing this because America is a racist country that oppresses black people. That is the foundation of this movement. My question is, compared to where? Where are these countries that treat minorities as well as in America and the west? Black Americans are the wealthiest and most privileged black people in the world. Do they still have grievances? Maybe. I think you can argue it either way. But the idea that America is what Kaepernick says it is is offensive. Not because it's unpatriotic (which it is) and not because it's racist (which it also is), but because it is an affront to truth. It's also the difference between saying "I don't like your behavior" and saying "I don't like you." I have no respect for any of these people. They insult me and expect me to support them and their cause in turn. Show me legitimate evidence of real injustice and I'll stand and fight with you. Pout on the sideline because you have unsubstantiated feelings of injustice and I mock you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 From Steve Kerr I honestly think this is pathetic. They're protesting a strawman and doing so in an idiotic way. They haven't studied the issue or researched the facts. Kaepernick said he's doing this because America is a racist country that oppresses black people. That is the foundation of this movement. My question is, compared to where? Where are these countries that treat minorities as well as in America and the west? Black Americans are the wealthiest and most privileged black people in the world. Do they still have grievances? Maybe. I think you can argue it either way. But the idea that America is what Kaepernick says it is is offensive. Not because it's unpatriotic (which it is) and not because it's racist (which it also is), but because it is an affront to truth. It's also the difference between saying "I don't like your behavior" and saying "I don't like you." I have no respect for any of these people. They insult me and expect me to support them and their cause in turn. Show me legitimate evidence of real injustice and I'll stand and fight with you. Pout on the sideline because you have unsubstantiated feelings of injustice and I mock you. From Steve Kerr I honestly think this is pathetic. They're protesting a strawman and doing so in an idiotic way. They haven't studied the issue or researched the facts. Kaepernick said he's doing this because America is a racist country that oppresses black people. That is the foundation of this movement. My question is, compared to where? Where are these countries that treat minorities as well as in America and the west? Black Americans are the wealthiest and most privileged black people in the world. Do they still have grievances? Maybe. I think you can argue it either way. But the idea that America is what Kaepernick says it is is offensive. Not because it's unpatriotic (which it is) and not because it's racist (which it also is), but because it is an affront to truth. It's also the difference between saying "I don't like your behavior" and saying "I don't like you." I have no respect for any of these people. They insult me and expect me to support them and their cause in turn. Show me legitimate evidence of real injustice and I'll stand and fight with you. Pout on the sideline because you have unsubstantiated feelings of injustice and I mock you. You are never going to get " legitimate evidence" you are asking before because the actual statistics are coming from people with agendas from both sides. It's easy to tear apart or at least highly question most of these numbers and studies from both sides. You cling to ones and believe in ones that support yours and yet you claim "confirmation bias" to refute the opposite, a term that is quickly becoming the most overused and misused and therefore meaningless term in all of world blather. But you are asking me and others to believe that the ones who feel or act or claim to be replaced are reading about this from fake news and liberal media rather than it actually happening to people they know or themselves. That's crazy imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 A bunch of 1%-ers protesting inequality seems kind of jejune to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 You are never going to get " legitimate evidence" you are asking before because the actual statistics are coming from people with agendas from both sides. It's easy to tear apart or at least highly question most of these numbers and studies from both sides. You cling to ones and believe in ones that support yours and yet you claim "confirmation bias" to refute the opposite, a term that is quickly becoming the most overused and misused and therefore meaningless term in all of world blather. But you are asking me and others to believe that the ones who feel or act or claim to be replaced are reading about this from fake news and liberal media rather than it actually happening to people they know or themselves. That's crazy imo. So anecdotal evidence = truth? Because those involved ( especially on the wrong end) couldn't possibly embellish the story, minimize what they did to contribute to the situation or eggagerate? Some people like to punk off Cops , act like a tough guy, then quickly realize they have bitten off more than they can handle. Then cry about " excessive force" being used. Use of force allows the minimum amount of force required to control the subject. In other words it is relative to what the subject is doing. Kind of a " sliding scale" . That's just one example. It just comes down to who you want to believe. I get it, it's " cool" to dislike Cops in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 You are never going to get " legitimate evidence" you are asking before because the actual statistics are coming from people with agendas from both sides. It's easy to tear apart or at least highly question most of these numbers and studies from both sides. You cling to ones and believe in ones that support yours and yet you claim "confirmation bias" to refute the opposite, a term that is quickly becoming the most overused and misused and therefore meaningless term in all of world blather. But you are asking me and others to believe that the ones who feel or act or claim to be replaced are reading about this from fake news and liberal media rather than it actually happening to people they know or themselves. That's crazy imo. That's not accurate. I'm asking for any empirical evidence supporting this narrative and getting nothing. I have seen plenty of solid evidence that argues the contrary. You're suggesting that the anecdotal evidence is more reliable than empirical evidence. That's a poor method for finding truth but a great one for supporting a false narrative. Where confirmation bias comes in is where black kids are taught from a young age that cops (and white people generally) are out to get them (see "the talk"). Whenever they have a negative interaction with a person from the oppressor group they attribute it to racism even when racism is not in play. I've seen very few acts of genuine racial discrimination but I've seen countless baseless accusations where the accuser was convinced beyond doubt that he was right. You brush off media influence out of hand, but look how this got started. Not organically by an oppressed people rising up, but in response to a few high profile news stories, most of which proved baseless, but not until after the masses were stirred up. And psychological studies show us that once a belief has formed it will subsist even after the foundation upon which it was formed is proven false. I also think the burden falls upon the people demanding action be taken to make the case that their cause is legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So anecdotal evidence = truth? Because those involved ( especially on the wrong end) couldn't possibly embellish the story, minimize what they did to contribute to the situation or eggagerate? Some people like to punk off Cops , act like a tough guy, then quickly realize they have bitten off more than they can handle. Then cry about " excessive force" being used. Use of force allows the minimum amount of force required to control the subject. In other words it is relative to what the subject is doing. Kind of a " sliding scale" . That's just one example. It just comes down to who you want to believe. I get it, it's " cool" to dislike Cops in society. Like the Michael Bennett story, which was nearly a complete fabrication, and disappeared from view as soon as video showed up to refute his claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Like the Michael Bennett story, which was nearly a complete fabrication, and disappeared from view as soon as video showed up to refute his claims? But Bennett "felt" like he got discriminated against. So it still counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 A bunch of 1%-ers protesting inequality seems kind of jejune to me... It's better than Republicans screaming about how they can improve health care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So anecdotal evidence = truth? Because those involved ( especially on the wrong end) couldn't possibly embellish the story, minimize what they did to contribute to the situation or eggagerate? Some people like to punk off Cops , act like a tough guy, then quickly realize they have bitten off more than they can handle. Then cry about " excessive force" being used. Use of force allows the minimum amount of force required to control the subject. In other words it is relative to what the subject is doing. Kind of a " sliding scale" . That's just one example. It just comes down to who you want to believe. I get it, it's " cool" to dislike Cops in society. Anecdotal evidence from millions of people could be considered to have a modicum of truth, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Why do leftists always bring up corporate welfare? That's a left-wing policy. That's like Philip Morris selling alcohol and then saying "before you go bashing alcohol producers you should take a look at the ass holes selling cigarettes. In fairness, his statement was pretty stupid. His dad's fate is unfortunate but I don't see how it's related. That's not true. Corporate subsidies are bipartisan. Both sides seem to like to blame the other but there's a long history of both parties supporting it. Trump himself used it to keep companies like Carrier here. He is actually a big (and vocal) supporter of corporate subsidies and tax loopholes, and has been for decades. The massive bank bailout happened under George W Bush, as well as the TARP program (which he signed into law). Republicans in congress have voted plenty of times to give out or continue corporate subsidies. Both parties have. Like in 2013 where the republican controlled house voted to slash $40B from food stamps while also voting to preserve massive corporate subsidies. At least the democrats try to help the poor as well. The Republican Party bases much of their current platform on giving massive tax breaks to the rich. Just look at their voting record in congress and the senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Anecdotal evidence from millions of people could be considered to have a modicum of truth, sure. You don't know a million people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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