Kirby Jackson Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Tolbert is on-pace for 8 TD's, which is what MG got last year. He always steals TDs. That's how he earned the nickname the touchdown vulture. Edited September 24, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
NoSaint Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 Tolbert is on-pace for 8 TD's, which is what MG got last year. Do you believe he's as impactful a player?
Billsmovinup Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 Hogan would be on the bench. I mean in the world of what if...we would still have Watkins, Woods and Goodwin who each clinched the HoF Thursday night...or so I've basically read here. You need to learn to read.
ganesh Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 Matthews isn't a 1 but Hogan is? Alrighty. +1. This team needs Mathews to be part of the game plan in a big way. He can be a game changer. His injury during TC was unfortunate. Tyrod needs to look for Clay and Mathews more often. Then he will get Jones on a 1-on-1 matchup.
Doc Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 Do you believe he's as impactful a player? Backup RBs rarely are.
bigduke6 Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 what if we still had 2 marginal skill players who became overpayed while still having a mediocre QB distributing the ball to them? probably win the superbowl!!!
Fadingpain Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 If we still had Hogan and Gillislee, we would be unstoppable.
Webster Guy Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 TD Mike got let go over $1M. Dareus gets $16M. Nice job Doug.
GG Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 TD Mike got let go over $1M. Dareus gets $16M. Nice job Doug. Do you pay $4 million to a RB with a sub 3.5 ypc average?
NoSaint Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Do you pay $4 million to a RB with a sub 3.5 ypc average? Perhaps. Really not a great framing of the discussion. I am a fan of not overthinking situations but that's an incredible lack of thought put into it.
GG Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Perhaps. Really not a great framing of the discussion. I am a fan of not overthinking situations but that's an incredible lack of thought put into it. That's exactly the thought. MG was a three time cast off with a 3.5 ypc until he got to Buffalo. He's right back to his natural average, which is probably what he'd produce in Buffalo this year with defenses keying in on the run so far. So from a team's perspective, do you allocate $4 million to a guy whose replacement value is vet minimum?
CommonCents Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 That's exactly the thought. MG was a three time cast off with a 3.5 ypc until he got to Buffalo. He's right back to his natural average, which is probably what he'd produce in Buffalo this year with defenses keying in on the run so far. So from a team's perspective, do you allocate $4 million to a guy whose replacement value is vet minimum? Ask me when Shady inevitably goes down and Tolbert is carrying the load.
NoSaint Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 That's exactly the thought. MG was a three time cast off with a 3.5 ypc until he got to Buffalo. He's right back to his natural average, which is probably what he'd produce in Buffalo this year with defenses keying in on the run so far. So from a team's perspective, do you allocate $4 million to a guy whose replacement value is vet minimum? I believe he's the second best back on our roster. I'd venture JWill would be 3rd. If his replacement cost is vet minimum, where do we find a couple of those guys that are better than our current depth? I don't think he's some great back but I think we created a hole and didn't actually fill it back in.
GG Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Ask me when Shady inevitably goes down and Tolbert is carrying the load. Highly unlikely that Tolbert is the primary back if Shady goes down. I believe he's the second best back on our roster. I'd venture JWill would be 3rd. If his replacement cost is vet minimum, where do we find a couple of those guys that are better than our current depth? I don't think he's some great back but I think we created a hole and didn't actually fill it back in. For all the tooth gnashing, Tolbert's stats are nearly identical to MG's after three games. MG is supposed to be Pats* feature back, but his alleged strength was picking up the tough yards. So far, on his 4 carries on 3rd & 4th downs, he's gained a total of 2 yards.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Ask me when Shady inevitably goes down and Tolbert is carrying the load. Commonsense says that Tolbert would still be the #2 back with Banyard likely being the featured back.
NoSaint Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Highly unlikely that Tolbert is the primary back if Shady goes down. For all the tooth gnashing, Tolbert's stats are nearly identical to MG's after three games. MG is supposed to be Pats* feature back, but his alleged strength was picking up the tough yards. So far, on his 4 carries on 3rd & 4th downs, he's gained a total of 2 yards. Purely on rushing ability (ignore cost) how do you rank MG, JWill, tolbert, banyard, jones. mccoy tweaks a hammy- what's your depth chart look like from there looking just at skill Commonsense says that Tolbert would still be the #2 back with Banyard likely being the featured back. I think it might be hazier than we all assume. I like to think the same thing but there have been a few spots where we assumed the plan and were surprised when it unfolded Tolbert and shady had equal carries at the half and only finished with McCoy up 3 carries yesterday. I think in case of injury we may see a by committee approach where tolbert remains up around 50% of the workload
GG Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Purely on rushing ability (ignore cost) how do you rank MG, JWill, tolbert, banyard, jones. mccoy tweaks a hammy- what's your depth chart look like from there looking just at skill I think it might be hazier than we all assume. I like to think the same thing but there have been a few spots where we assumed the plan and were surprised when it unfolded Tolbert and shady had equal carries at the half and only finished with McCoy up 3 carries yesterday. I think in case of injury we may see a by committee approach where tolbert remains up around 50% of the workload I think it will depend on the injury. If it's short term, then committee of Tolbert, Jones & Banyard. Longer term will be a FA pick up
BADOLBILZ Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Do you pay $4 million to a RB with a sub 3.5 ypc average? You complain because my takes are open ended but the takes in this thread are some of the more eggregious examples of trying to have it both ways I've ever seen. For apologists.......Tolbert is on pace for 8 TD's just like MG did last year.........and has a low ypc like MG has this year. But this year MG is on pace for 20-22 TD's............and last year MG had 5.7 ypc..........while Tolbert still sucked in both categories. It's pretty simple that MG is the better player and #2 option by a considerable margin and cherry picking just isn't helping the argument of you and Doc(it should concern you that you are arguing on Doc's side, btw ). I've pointed this out before..........numerous times..........but neither McCoy or MG is a 5.5 ypc running back.........the Roman offense alone added a half yard to their totals(see Frank Gore post Roman)...........and Tyrod Taylor added another half yard to their totals as long as he had SOME KIND of legitimate deep threat to throw to and keep the safeties from jumping up into the box. Tolbert in last years offense probably averages just a little over league average......about 4.3-4.5 ypc..........which wouldn't have sufficed under the circumstances and certainly does not now. Longtime admirer of his play but he's whipped as a regular RB....... and we will see more of the plays like him dropping the ball while losing his balance going into the end zone and fair catching a kickoff at the 10 yard line if he is continually asked to carry a significant load.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 You complain because my takes are open ended but the takes in this thread are some of the more eggregious examples of trying to have it both ways I've ever seen. For apologists.......Tolbert is on pace for 8 TD's just like MG did last year.........and has a low ypc like MG has this year. But this year MG is on pace for 20-22 TD's............and last year MG had 5.7 ypc..........while Tolbert still sucked in both categories. It's pretty simple that MG is the better player and #2 option by a considerable margin and cherry picking just isn't helping the argument of you and Doc(it should concern you that you are arguing on Doc's side, btw ). I've pointed this out before..........numerous times..........but neither McCoy or MG is a 5.5 ypc running back.........the Roman offense alone added a half yard to their totals(see Frank Gore post Roman)...........and Tyrod Taylor added another half yard to their totals as long as he had SOME KIND of legitimate deep threat to throw to and keep the safeties from jumping up into the box. Tolbert in last years offense probably averages just a little over league average......about 4.3-4.5 ypc..........which wouldn't have sufficed under the circumstances and certainly does not now. Longtime admirer of his play but he's whipped as a regular RB....... and we will see more of the plays like him dropping the ball while losing his balance going into the end zone and fair catching a kickoff at the 10 yard line if he is continually asked to carry a significant load. Someone here suggested a middle round pick on a RB from Toledo named Kareem Hunt. (Pats self on back)
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