Kimmell calls out Sen. Cassidy

[Boatdrinks]

I had an inkling that Kimmel collaborated with a politician because of the way he framed his monologue where he referenced potential loopholes in the bill and then presented them as a fact that they will happen. He's obviously passionate about the subject because of his kid, but he should just stick to girls jumping on trampolines.

 

Bankruptcies due to medical reasons have been estimated to have been cut in half since the ACA went into effect. It's obviously still a deeply flawed bill though.

Bankruptcy is there as a tool to protect one from ruin if need be. I don't think reducing medical bankruptcies is a very good end game to justify existence of Obamacare. It's a very expensive ( and painful for many) way to " solve" that issue.

[oldmanfan]

I'd say it would look similar to the system in place before Obamacare. Just what did Obamacare " fix " exactly? Seems like it spends a lot more money to " cover" those who were already getting treatment.

It's how they were getting treatment. Visiting ERs which made their care an enormous expense on the system. I work for a non-profit health care organization. I don't have the exact number but we have provided thousands of people with health care who did not have it before ACA. And I'm not a big fan of ACA, a lot of changes are needed assuming it stays the law of the land. Which it likely will since it my appears the Graham bill won't get the votes.

[boyst]

It's how they were getting treatment. Visiting ERs which made their care an enormous expense on the system. I work for a non-profit health care organization. I don't have the exact number but we have provided thousands of people with health care who did not have it before ACA. And I'm not a big fan of ACA, a lot of changes are needed assuming it stays the law of the land. Which it likely will since it my appears the Graham bill won't get the votes.

that explains a lot. A non profit health organization means you deal with a lot of irresponsible idiots who cannot function in life therefore heading your opinion that handouts are justified.

 

It all makes sense now.

[oldmanfan]

that explains a lot. A non profit health organization means you deal with a lot of irresponsible idiots who cannot function in life therefore heading your opinion that handouts are justified.

 

It all makes sense now.

You are completely clueless. Our organization has 8 hospitals, 5 surgery centers, the largest number of primary care providers in the state, and manages over 500,000 lives yearly.

 

Who are the irresponsible idiots? People that need health care? You probably work for an insurance company where the CEO makes millions a year by denying people care?

[Domdab99]

I'm just going to leave this here...

 

[boyst]

You are completely clueless. Our organization has 8 hospitals, 5 surgery centers, the largest number of primary care providers in the state, and manages over 500,000 lives yearly.

 

Who are the irresponsible idiots? People that need health care? You probably work for an insurance company where the CEO makes millions a year by denying people care?

Baptist is considered one of the best colleges in the country. I am also a member of a national black healthcare program to advance the causes of insurance for everyone. I realize I am part of the problem in insurance. It's not healthcare that is the issue.

 

To force people in to the ACA isn't possible. It won't work and hasnt worked. Pre ex is still covered and will always be covered.

I'm just going to leave this here...

 

dude. They just haven't read it yet. We have to pass it first.

 

Dumbass

[Boatdrinks]

It's how they were getting treatment. Visiting ERs which made their care an enormous expense on the system. I work for a non-profit health care organization. I don't have the exact number but we have provided thousands of people with health care who did not have it before ACA. And I'm not a big fan of ACA, a lot of changes are needed assuming it stays the law of the land. Which it likely will since it my appears the Graham bill won't get the votes.

I'd bet that the ACA is more expensive. Just lines different pockets and makes things more expensive for middle class people who have to buy it's overpriced policies. If the companies want the ACA, it must be a win for them. Not a win for the middle class.

[oldmanfan]

Baptist is considered one of the best colleges in the country. I am also a member of a national black healthcare program to advance the causes of insurance for everyone. I realize I am part of the problem in insurance. It's not healthcare that is the issue.

 

To force people in to the ACA isn't possible. It won't work and hasnt worked. Pre ex is still covered and will always be covered.

dude. They just haven't read it yet. We have to pass it first.

 

Dumbass

You refuse to accept the pre-existing concern. And what the language in the bill could cause.

 

This bill won't pass. McCain, Paul, and Collins won't vote for it. There was a bipartisan effort led by Alexander and Murray to address this is a comprehensive manner but that got abandoned due to politics.

 

ACA should not have been passed based on a one party vote, neither should this bill. Time for these morons in Washington to do what they're elected to do.

[GoBills808]

I'd bet that the ACA is more expensive. Just lines different pockets and makes things more expensive for middle class people who have to buy it's overpriced policies. If the companies want the ACA, it must be a win for them. Not a win for the middle class.

I pay about $2500/mo for a plan that covers 6 employees w/ drug and dental. Granted it's a pooled discount but still...the idea that the ACA has made healthcare unaffordable for small businesses is not reflected in my coverage rates.

[oldmanfan]

I'd bet that the ACA is more expensive. Just lines different pockets and makes things more expensive for middle class people who have to buy it's overpriced policies. If the companies want the ACA, it must be a win for them. Not a win for the middle class.

What you're missing is there were people (perhaps in lower socioeconomic circumstances but not all) who had no health care. ACA allowed that. Far from a perfect solution but people who had no care now have it.

[boyst]

You refuse to accept the pre-existing concern. And what the language in the bill could cause.

 

This bill won't pass. McCain, Paul, and Collins won't vote for it. There was a bipartisan effort led by Alexander and Murray to address this is a comprehensive manner but that got abandoned due to politics.

 

ACA should not have been passed based on a one party vote, neither should this bill. Time for these morons in Washington to do what they're elected to do.

the ACA was not passed because of a one party vote. It was passed because Harry Reid ripped up the Constitution.

 

And the pre ex will continue to be an issue and Kimmel is wrong on it.

What you're missing is there were people (perhaps in lower socioeconomic circumstances but not all) who had no health care. ACA allowed that. Far from a perfect solution but people who had no care now have it.

why didn't they have lower health care in those situations? Did they need health care? We're they perfectly healthy 22 yr olds working low income jobs realizing they were better off without it than paying a company like yours far too much for something they don't need?

 

The numbers of how many got heslth care because of the ACA are way off

 

Also you forget medicare, medicare, etc etc. But of course that's because you're part of the problem, old man

[Boatdrinks]

What you're missing is there were people (perhaps in lower socioeconomic circumstances but not all) who had no health care. ACA allowed that. Far from a perfect solution but people who had no care now have it.

They didn't have no health " care". They just had no " insurance". There is a difference.

[boyst]

They didn't have no health " care". They just had no " insurance". There is a difference.

Medicaid and medicare must not count also.

[oldmanfan]

the ACA was not passed because of a one party vote. It was passed because Harry Reid ripped up the Constitution.

 

And the pre ex will continue to be an issue and Kimmel is wrong on it.

why didn't they have lower health care in those situations? Did they need health care? We're they perfectly healthy 22 yr olds working low income jobs realizing they were better off without it than paying a company like yours far too much for something they don't need?

 

The numbers of how many got heslth care because of the ACA are way off

 

Also you forget medicare, medicare, etc etc. But of course that's because you're part of the problem, old man

. I did not forget Medicare and Medicaid. There are people who are not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid who could not afford insurance. And now they have access to a plan through the ACA. I am not arguing the ACA is great. It's not. But iur network is able to provide care too people that before did not have it. Our job is to promote health and we've been able to do that for more people.

 

If you think providing health care to people who need it is being part of a problem I would suggest that's ridiculous.

They didn't have no health " care". They just had no " insurance". There is a difference.

Yes there is. People would get "care" by going to ERs when they finally got so sick they had no choice. And that's because they had no insurance. We would rather get people regular checkups etc. and keep them from getting so sick they need more expensive care.

[boyst]

. I did not forget Medicare and Medicaid. There are people who are not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid who could not afford insurance. And now they have access to a plan through the ACA. I am not arguing the ACA is great. It's not. But iur network is able to provide care too people that before did not have it. Our job is to promote health and we've been able to do that for more people.

 

If you think providing health care to people who need it is being part of a problem I would suggest that's ridiculous.

 

Yes there is. People would get "care" by going to ERs when they finally got so sick they had no choice. And that's because they had no insurance. We would rather get people regular checkups etc. and keep them from getting so sick they need more expensive care.

you aren't providing health care you ignorant fool. You provided them access through insurance to meidcal treatment. They always had access to medical treatment and care. And could even get reductions and such to mitigate the cost

 

Yuge difference. Bigly, even.

 

You're out of touch.

Edited September 23, 2017 by Boyst62

[oldmanfan]

you aren't provided health care you ignorant fool. Your provided them access through insurance to meidcal treatment.

 

Yuge difference. Bigly, even.

 

You're out of touch.

You are being ridiculous. Health care is not medical treatment? Do you have any idea how absurd that is?

 

Yes, when patients have access to insurance they can come see a doctor who can examine them and perform screening tests. They can prescribe medication.

 

By any definition that is medical care.

[Boatdrinks]

. I did not forget Medicare and Medicaid. There are people who are not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid who could not afford insurance. And now they have access to a plan through the ACA. I am not arguing the ACA is great. It's not. But iur network is able to provide care too people that before did not have it. Our job is to promote health and we've been able to do that for more people.

If you think providing health care to people who need it is being part of a problem I would suggest that's ridiculous.

 

Yes there is. People would get "care" by going to ERs when they finally got so sick they had no choice. And that's because they had no insurance. We would rather get people regular checkups etc. and keep them from getting so sick they need more expensive care.

That is preventative care or primary care. You said " health" care. Please be more specific. To say these people got no care is not true. In an ideal world yes, that would happen. Also in an ideal world people would make better ( not necessarily easier) food choices , exercise etc.

[boyst]

You are being ridiculous. Health care is not medical treatment? Do you have any idea how absurd that is?

 

Yes, when patients have access to insurance they can come see a doctor who can examine them and perform screening tests. They can prescribe medication.

 

By any definition that is medical care.

when they don't have insurance they can't be? If I went to the hospital without insurance I can't get serviced? Am I better off to go to a truck stop? Wtf

 

Before getting in to this I was a resident in trauma for 3 yrs before coming over to the dark side. You have never actually seen a patient. You do nothin with health care. Just cover it.

[oldmanfan]

when they don't have insurance they can't be? If I went to the hospital without insurance I can't get serviced? Am I better off to go to a truck stop? Wtf

 

Before getting in to this I was a resident in trauma for 3 yrs before coming over to the dark side. You have never actually seen a patient. You do nothin with health care. Just cover it.

I see patients every single day. When patients do not have insurance they have to pay out of pocket if they do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. And when they can't afford it they don't come in

 

If you come to a hospital can you always get health care services? It depends. If you are told you have to work out a payment plan and you know you can't afford it, then you don't. Or you come into the ER where you have to take care of the patient, at much inflated cost because they are generally sicker, and even then hospitals are having to change their policies. We had to restrict ER treatments to zip codes that our network covers because hospitals several hours away were dumping patients on us because they did not want to cover the cost. So now if it's a true emergency we of course take care of the patient, but if they come into the ER and really need routine care we send them back to the referring hospital.

 

If you truly work in insurance you should know that insurance companies are making it even more difficult to pursue emergency care, because some still use the ER for primary care. Anthem for example will not allow us to treat a broken arm in the ER, they have to be seen at out urgent care center or medcheck because a broken arm isn't a life threatening emergency.

 

You know all this but you'd rather throw out gratuitous insults rather than have an actual discussion.

That is preventative care or primary care. You said " health" care. Please be more specific. To say these people got no care is not true. In an ideal world yes, that would happen. Also in an ideal world people would make better ( not necessarily easier) food choices , exercise etc.

Preventive care and primary care are health care. What exactly are you trying to say?

[Boatdrinks]

I'm saying that by using the umbrella term " health care" it sounds all encompassing. It could be interpreted as receiving no health care at all. That is not factual .