Koko78 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 The issues are that the proposed legislation only says you get access to care and not care. Insurers could set premiums so high you can't afford them. And states can apply for waivers, meaning they can restrict coverage. They could set premiums so high that no one could afford them... and very quickly be out of business. They could apply for waivers and could seek to restrict coverage, and could not be granted those waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They could set premiums so high that no one could afford them... and very quickly be out of business. They could apply for waivers and could seek to restrict coverage, and could not be granted those waivers. That is the issue. No one knows for sure what would take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 That is the issue. No one knows for sure what would take place. Chances are insurance companies will give sick people the benefit of the doubt, and go way out of their way to make it as cheap as possible and as easy to do because they care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Chances are insurance companies will give sick people the benefit of the doubt, and go way out of their way to make it as cheap as possible and as easy to do because they care. Right. People tend to forget how things were ten years ago. No coverage for pre-existing conditions. My office would fight with insurers daily to get simple things covered. It was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 That is the issue. No one knows for sure what would take place. if you don't know what would take place why are you spouting off on it? du. du duuuu dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 if you don't know what would take place why are you spouting off on it? du. du duuuu dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 if you don't know what would take place why are you spouting off on it? du. du duuuu dumbass Because it could take away care people currently have. It is abundantly clear you do not understand the issue. I work for a large health care organization. I take care of patients. That is our job. When legislation could threaten our ability to do that I get concerned. And that is the issue. If the barn door gets opened and the horse runs out, it's too late to close the barn door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Because it could take away care people currently have. It is abundantly clear you do not understand the issue. I work for a large health care organization. I take care of patients. That is our job. When legislation could threaten our ability to do that I get concerned. And that is the issue. If the barn door gets opened and the horse runs out, it's too late to close the barn door. but you don't know that for sure but here you are. And as an expert on the civil rights of those in this country I want to chime in. I've been practicing law in Bridgeport for 33 years as a constitutional lawyer and have seen the destructive path of our nation. as a psychologist who spent time dabbling in arts over the last 16 yrs I find these emogies to be a downfall in conversation and emotional well being. They do not take in to account the colors of all Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) but you don't know that for sure but here you are. And as an expert on the civil rights of those in this country I want to chime in. I've been practicing law in Bridgeport for 33 years as a constitutional lawyer and have seen the destructive path of our nation. as a psychologist who spent time dabbling in arts over the last 16 yrs I find these emogies to be a downfall in conversation and emotional well being. They do not take in to account the colors of all Americans. Well Dr. Boyst, Esq., I'm still waiting for you to deliver my pizza. Tick Tock. It's been 28 minutes already, that mother!@#$er better not be cold! Edited September 24, 2017 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Well Dr. Boyst, Esq., I'm still waiting for you to deliver my pizza. Tick Tock. It's been 28 minutes already, that mother!@#$er better not be cold! as a psychologist, I sense your anger is misdirected. What did your father do to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 as a psychologist, I sense your anger is misdirected. What did your father do to you? Well, for one: you delivered my !@#$ing pizza late and cold. Thanks Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Adam Carolla > Jimmy Kimmel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 That would explain why you have no understanding of health care. Health care isn't exempt from the basic laws of economics. You can't increase demand while holding supply relatively constant without a corresponding increase in price. And prices are soaring. A catastrophic plan costs more now than a standard plan did 10 years ago. The costs are hurting a lot of people in a very real way. This is by design. If the mechanism in place is allowed to continue it will collapse. At this point single payer would be better. The quality of service will suffer, but middle class people will be able to live without being slaves to the medical industrial complex. When your medical insurance costs as much as your mortgage something is very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 The same Kimmel who approached women on the street and asked them to guess what was in his pants, maybe put their mouth on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Health care isn't exempt from the basic laws of economics. You can't increase demand while holding supply relatively constant without a corresponding increase in price. And prices are soaring. A catastrophic plan costs more now than a standard plan did 10 years ago. The costs are hurting a lot of people in a very real way. This is by design. If the mechanism in place is allowed to continue it will collapse. At this point single payer would be better. The quality of service will suffer, but middle class people will be able to live without being slaves to the medical industrial complex. When your medical insurance costs as much as your mortgage something is very wrong. That was the entire point of Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Well Dr. Boyst, Esq., I'm still waiting for you to deliver my pizza. Tick Tock. It's been 28 minutes already, that mother!@#$er better not be cold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 As I said, Kimmel wasn't sincere and that he's a fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Health care isn't exempt from the basic laws of economics. You can't increase demand while holding supply relatively constant without a corresponding increase in price. And prices are soaring. A catastrophic plan costs more now than a standard plan did 10 years ago. The costs are hurting a lot of people in a very real way. This is by design. If the mechanism in place is allowed to continue it will collapse. At this point single payer would be better. The quality of service will suffer, but middle class people will be able to live without being slaves to the medical industrial complex. When your medical insurance costs as much as your mortgage something is very wrong. Yes, because further government intervention obviously leads to affordability. Overwhelming historical track record be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yes, because further government intervention obviously leads to affordability. Overwhelming historical track record be damned. Government intervention has a pretty awesome track record of making health care available, innovative and preventive. Without it the many of the elderly would go back to living in poverty instead of being some of the best off of citizens, life saving techniques, technologies and institutions would not exist and there would be a lot more misery and suffering in the country. The government has been nothing short of awesome in this regards. Just shows how people can be riled up into hating something that is wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yes, because further government intervention obviously leads to affordability. Overwhelming historical track record be damned. Just to clarify, I think single payer would be a disaster. I'm just getting to the point that I'd rather do away with the whole medical industry and risk death rather than sacrifice all else for !@#$ing medical insurance. Government intervention has a pretty awesome track record of making health care available, innovative and preventive. Without it the many of the elderly would go back to living in poverty instead of being some of the best off of citizens, life saving techniques, technologies and institutions would not exist and there would be a lot more misery and suffering in the country. The government has been nothing short of awesome in this regards. Just shows how people can be riled up into hating something that is wonderful. Anything can look awesome if you only look at one side of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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