Yards Per Pass Twitter - Early All 22 footage

[bobobonators]

 

I know - its not like any of the other qbs in the league can get the ball out quickly when facing pressure

How many QB's get the ball out in 1.5 seconds? sorry hes not Tom Brady. We know that.

 

Furthermore to be that confident to get the ball out in 1.5 seconds requires reps with your WR. Something TT doesnt have. It requires chemsitry as an offense. Something we dont have yet.

[Crusher]

Have you ever tried, say, going through Cam's film and looking for the same things? I always wonder how many "open receivers" get missed by other QBs. I had never seen this type of analysis about anyone in the NFL until Tyrod Taylor came to town. Other team forums post All-22s but I never see fans outside of Buffalo trying to find open receivers the QB missed. There are people criticizing our best play of the game, a strike over the middle to Jordan Matthews, because on the right-most side of the field Kaelin Clay is running a vertical route and appears to come open in 1-on-1 coverage. I think you are smart enough to know the vertical route was the last progression and Tyrod was never going there once he saw Matthews had a window. But the average fan doesn't know that.

****NEWSFLASH****

 

You are the average fan

[K-9]

If they are going to insist on trying to make him a pocket passer who must throw into traffic - then start Peterman. Tyrod isn't and probably never will be that guy.

 

And then deal with the consequences of that decision many of which will probably be extremely negative.

 

If they want to actually win football games this year, you adjust the play calling to try more plays that allow the starters to shine by using their superior talents. As I suggested above.

I was just asking for specifics; what play calls would allow TT to shine? Because if it's a steady diet of bootlegs, rollouts, moving pockets, read options, and deep balls, we will be in an even deeper world of crap than we are now.

 

The idea behind a passing game from the pocket is to utilize the entire field and force a defense to defend more area. The play designs I describe above actually make it easier on a defense in that regard. Once in a while, sure, we can catch a D unaware. But over the course of an entire game? No chance. Especially when playing from behind.

Edited September 19, 2017 by K-9

[PolishDave]

 

But we don't know what the full extent of the play calls were. We only see the plays that Tyrod ran and where he threw the ball.

 

My review of his passes showed a bi-polar tendency - he either went with his first read or he bailed on the play completely when it broke down. Unless someone can correct me on the plays, but I did not see him throwing to a second read. (I'm not counting dump off passes after 3 seconds as second reads)

 

So if you are the OC and are dealing with a QB who's clearly struggling to pick up your offense, what kind of plays do you call - keep the routes short and safe to build up his confidence or dial up the aggressiveness to move the ball? That's a dilemma they're going through right now. But having said that, there were many, many options for long gains where Tyrod never pulled the trigger.

 

Tyrod doesn't like to throw into traffic - That is why people say he won't throw unless a player is college open. They are wrong about that, but he does not like to pull the trigger when the receiver is closer to traffic, especially between two defenders.

 

I don't think you can fix that. (my opinion) That is his style. He will throw to guys who are one on one. He will give a covered receiver a chance to make a play. But he is very, very hesitant when that guy is in traffic. That is why you see him throwing more of those types of passes outside. It is a safer pass. He is the safest passer the Bills have had in somewhere around forever.

 

So, if you want him (and the Bills as a team) to succeed this year or any year he is QB, I would put him in situations where he gets to hold the ball longer and receivers spread the field out more and more forcing separation. Tyrod has shown the ability again and again and again to be able to escape pressure after a few seconds - thereby extending the play to about 5 seconds or so - which completely screws corners and safeties trying to maintain coverage. And he has the arm and accuracy to deliver those deep balls to whoever the receiver happens to be.

 

I would have him in shotgun a lot and have the receivers always spreading the defense out instead of crossing more often. He is so talented in those situations (in my opinion) that he could and would routinely destroy defenses in the passing game doing that.

 

But you have to design it to be that way. Call those plays.

 

Don't make him stand in a tight pocket for more than 3 seconds. He isn't comfortable doing that. It is a weakness. He will bail. Don't expect him to throw into traffic regularly. He isn't comfortable doing that. It is a weakness.

 

Do what he is best at.

 

Run zone reads.

 

Run more bootlegs.

 

On designed passing plays - always spread the field instead of bunching it. Put the receivers in positions where Tyrod will throw them the ball without hesitation and you have a chance to make a big play.

 

Exploit defenses with his running ability and his ability to throw beautiful deep passes 4-5 seconds after the snap. That is where most of Buffalo's big pass plays have come from in recent years.

 

If defenses start blitzing him - start utilizing McCoy in the screen game more or let Tyrod beat them with his legs.

[Rochesterfan]

That is becoming more and more evident.

 

The more plays I re-watch of this team, the more convinced I am becoming of the fact that Dennison is an inferior coordinator who thinks it is more important to run his system (Hell be damned) rather than adjust to what his players can execute well. Not 100% convinced yet, but it is trending that way. It's still only game 2. Let's see if/how he adjusts.

 

I think some of this is right - Dennison is in this for the long haul not just what can we do this year.

 

If they felt TT was the long term answer - then you design an offense around him. If the plan is to build an offense and you plan on drafting a QB - then you design the offense and see what TT can do in it.

[PolishDave]

I was just asking for specifics; what play calls would allow TT to shine? Because if it's a steady diet of bootlegs, rollouts, moving pockets, read options, and deep balls, we will be in an even deeper world of crap than we are now.

 

 

History suggests you are dead wrong.

 

He has excelled in those areas the last two years. Why is this year going to be so different?

[QB Bills]

 

Tyrod doesn't like to throw into traffic - That is why people say he won't throw unless a player is college open. They are wrong about that, but he does not like to pull the trigger when the receiver is closer to traffic, especially between two defenders.

 

I don't think you can fix that. (my opinion) That is his style. He will throw to guys who are one on one. He will give a covered receiver a chance to make a play. But he is very, very hesitant when that guy is in traffic. That is why you see him throwing more of those types of passes outside. It is a safer pass. He is the safest passer the Bills have had in somewhere around forever.

 

So, if you want him (and the Bills as a team) to succeed this year or any year he is QB, I would put him in situations where he gets to hold the ball longer and receivers spread the field out more and more forcing separation. Tyrod has shown the ability again and again and again to be able to escape pressure after a few seconds - thereby extending the play to about 5 seconds or so - which completely screws corners and safeties trying to maintain coverage. And he has the arm and accuracy to deliver those deep balls to whoever the receiver happens to be.

 

I would have him in shotgun a lot and have the receivers always spreading the defense out instead of crossing more often. He is so talented in those situations (in my opinion) that he could and would routinely destroy defenses in the passing game doing that.

 

But you have to design it to be that way. Call those plays.

 

Don't make him stand in a tight pocket for more than 3 seconds. He isn't comfortable doing that. It is a weakness. He will bail. Don't expect him to throw into traffic regularly. He isn't comfortable doing that. It is a weakness.

 

Do what he is best at.

 

Run zone reads.

 

Run more bootlegs.

 

On designed passing plays - always spread the field instead of bunching it. Put the receivers in positions where Tyrod will throw them the ball without hesitation and you have a chance to make a big play.

 

Exploit defenses with his running ability and his ability to throw beautiful deep passes 4-5 seconds after the snap. That is where most of Buffalo's big pass plays have come from in recent years.

 

If defenses start blitzing him - start utilizing McCoy in the screen game more or let Tyrod beat them with his legs.

Just perfect.

 

I wish we could print this post out, wrap it around a rock and throw it through Dennison's office window.

[GoBills808]

I think some of this is right - Dennison is in this for the long haul not just what can we do this year.

 

If they felt TT was the long term answer - then you design an offense around him. If the plan is to build an offense and you plan on drafting a QB - then you design the offense and see what TT can do in it.

I think it's unrealistic to expect an OC to design a system around a guy like Taylor if he's thinking long-term.

[grb]

How many QB's get the ball out in 1.5 seconds? sorry hes not Tom Brady. We know that.

 

Furthermore to be that confident to get the ball out in 1.5 seconds requires reps with your WR. Something TT doesnt have. It requires chemsitry as an offense. Something we dont have yet.

 

No quarterback regularly gets the ball out in 1.5 seconds. The lowest averages tend to fall around 2.25, though Carr right now is 2.07. The next quickest is Siemian at 2.27. The slowest is Kizer at 3.03, meaning everyone in the league is bunched into a one second interval. Taylor, of course, had the highest number last year at somewhere around 3.3, though the bottom ranks are typically filled with extremely mobile quarterbacks, suggesting scrambling skews the numbers. Right now Brady is at 2.69 and Taylor is at 2.86.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

[bobobonators]

 

Tyrod doesn't like to throw into traffic - That is why people say he won't throw unless a player is college open. They are wrong about that, but he does not like to pull the trigger when the receiver is closer to traffic, especially between two defenders.

 

I don't think you can fix that. (my opinion) That is his style. He will throw to guys who are one on one. He will give a covered receiver a chance to make a play. But he is very, very hesitant when that guy is in traffic. That is why you see him throwing more of those types of passes outside. It is a safer pass. He is the safest passer the Bills have had in somewhere around forever.

 

So, if you want him (and the Bills as a team) to succeed this year or any year he is QB, I would put him in situations where he gets to hold the ball longer and receivers spread the field out more and more forcing separation. Tyrod has shown the ability again and again and again to be able to escape pressure after a few seconds - thereby extending the play to about 5 seconds or so - which completely screws corners and safeties trying to maintain coverage. And he has the arm and accuracy to deliver those deep balls to whoever the receiver happens to be.

 

I would have him in shotgun a lot and have the receivers always spreading the defense out instead of crossing more often. He is so talented in those situations (in my opinion) that he could and would routinely destroy defenses in the passing game doing that.

 

But you have to design it to be that way. Call those plays.

 

Don't make him stand in a tight pocket for more than 3 seconds. He isn't comfortable doing that. It is a weakness. He will bail. Don't expect him to throw into traffic regularly. He isn't comfortable doing that. It is a weakness.

 

Do what he is best at.

 

Run zone reads.

 

Run more bootlegs.

 

On designed passing plays - always spread the field instead of bunching it. Put the receivers in positions where Tyrod will throw them the ball without hesitation and you have a chance to make a big play.

 

Exploit defenses with his running ability and his ability to throw beautiful deep passes 4-5 seconds after the snap. That is where most of Buffalo's big pass plays have come from in recent years.

 

If defenses start blitzing him - start utilizing McCoy in the screen game more or let Tyrod beat them with his legs.

Perfectly stated.

 

No quarterback regularly gets the ball out in 1.5 seconds. The lowest averages tend to fall around 2.25, though Carr right now is 2.07. The next quickest is Siemian at 2.27. The slowest is Kizer at 3.03, meaning everyone in the league is bunched into a one second interval. Taylor, of course, had the highest number last year at somewhere around 3.3, though the bottom ranks are typically filled with extremely mobile quarterbacks, suggesting scrambling skews the numbers. Right now Brady is at 2.69 and Taylor is at 2.86.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

Thank you. That one post i referenced 1.5 seconds specifically referenced one play of the Carolina game where posters stated "typical tyrod". From the time Tyrod took his first step back, to the time Tyrod got tackled by the Carolina defender, approximately 1.5 seconds went by.

The 1.5 seconds wasnt meant to reflect his avg time to throw on all passes. Just that one play.

 

Though im sure if people cared, they could easily use the All22 and figure out how muuch time Tyrod had in the pocket in the Panthers game before he got sacked or rushed. Id say average of probably 2 seconds last week

[Perk71]

22. Bills (1-1; No. 20): Sean McDermott will keep telling us Tyrod Taylor is the quarterback until the precise moment McDermott decides Taylor isn’t.

[K-9]

History suggests you are dead wrong.

 

He has excelled in those areas the last two years. Why is this year going to be so different?

History suggests I'm wrong about why a QB needs to operate from the pocket to be successful?

 

Look, it's basic geometry and people who understand the geometrics of a football field have long understood that and why passing from the pocket affords the most opportunity.

 

But hey, if you want to deliberately limit your space options by having your QB roll out every time he attempts a pass, more power to you. Good luck with that.

[Rochesterfan]

I think it's unrealistic to expect an OC to design a system around a guy like Taylor if he's thinking long-term.

 

Not only is it unrealistic, but it requires very different players for a TT designed offense versus a WCO.

 

If the team is looking long term (and I think they are) then you bring in WCO style WRs - guys like Zay and Jordan and you utilize RBs and FBs and TEs that can run patterns to the flat and the seam.

 

If you think TT is your QB - you want taller, faster WRs so you can throw the go routes and deep routes.

 

The Bills allowed the taller, faster receivers to leave and brought in specific WCO WRs - I think they are looking long term and are asking TT to do his best in what is not an ideal system.

[MAJBobby]

This is all about 2018. There is a pretty big financial decision come January on TT. Are you advocating going into that decision with a very specific designed offense for TT in order to squeeze a couple more wins.

 

Or do you implement your offense and see if the QB that is on our roster and have a big decision to make in January can execute it?

 

You may not like it. May not agree with it. But that is the reality the minute TT rebooted his prove it deal

Edited September 19, 2017 by MAJBobby

[PolishDave]

History suggests I'm wrong about why a QB needs to operate from the pocket to be successful?

 

Look, it's basic geometry and people who understand the geometrics of a football field have long understood that and why passing from the pocket affords the most opportunity.

 

But hey, if you want to deliberately limit your space options by having your QB roll out every time he attempts a pass, more power to you. Good luck with that.

 

You are wrong about Tyrod not being good at bootlegs, read options and deep balls. That is what you said. I bolded it so you would know what I was talking about.

 

I would prefer a great pocket passing QB too. Most people would. We don't have one unless the rookie proves to be (unexpectedly) in his first year. So why complain about a non-pocket passing QB (Tyrod) not playing well as a pocket passer? Silly no?

 

Do what he does. - Well, if you want to become dominant. If you want to lose - keep trying to force Tyrod to be a pocket passer.

[GoBills808]

Not only is it unrealistic, but it requires very different players for a TT designed offense versus a WCO.

 

If the team is looking long term (and I think they are) then you bring in WCO style WRs - guys like Zay and Jordan and you utilize RBs and FBs and TEs that can run patterns to the flat and the seam.

 

If you think TT is your QB - you want taller, faster WRs so you can throw the go routes and deep routes.

 

The Bills allowed the taller, faster receivers to leave and brought in specific WCO WRs - I think they are looking long term and are asking TT to do his best in what is not an ideal system.

Exactly. We're on to OC#3 in the Tyrod Taylor era, except this one has the blessing from ownership re: job security (at least it appears that way), and boom...all of a sudden it looks like they're actually trying to implement an NFL level offense rather than catering to the limitations of the QB position ala Roman (who did it fantastically for my money), just without the right guy throwing the ball. It's what you do when you aren't afraid of taking time to get something right IMO. Fans want to see a functioning offense, of course, but I think you have to sacrifice some short term pain for what I believe will prove to be a much more sustainable offensive scheme down the road.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

This is all about 2018. There is a pretty big financial decision come January on TT. Are you advocating going into that decision with a very specific designed offense for TT in order to squeeze a couple more wins.

 

Or do you implement your offense and see if the QB that is on our roster and have a big decision to make in January can execute it?

 

10 mil in cap savings... old roster filled with holes... uhmmmmm yes please!

 

UFAs - Kwilliams, matthews, wright, humber, preston brown, ej gaines, leonard johnson. The biggest holes there are at WR and DT. but 10 mil is enough to re-sign most of those guys and hopefully build some additional depth. We drafted vallejo and milano too so they could deem humber expendable. Never know.

[K-9]

You are wrong about Tyrod not being good at bootlegs, read options and deep balls. That is what you said. I bolded it so you would know what I was talking about.

 

I would prefer a great pocket passing QB too. Most people would. We don't have one unless the rookie proves to be (unexpectedly) in his first year. So why complain about a non-pocket passing QB (Tyrod) not playing well as a pocket passer? Silly no?

 

Do what he does. - Well, if you want to become dominant. If you want to lose - keep trying to force Tyrod to be a pocket passer.

 

I didn't say TT was not good at bootlegs, etc. so I'd be interested in the bolded part of my post where you claim I did.

 

My point here is that you can't make space limiting plays the foundation of your passing game. Once in a while during the course of a game, sure. Like I already pointed out. More than that? No way.

 

Think geometry.

[GoBills808]

 

You are wrong about Tyrod not being good at bootlegs, read options and deep balls. That is what you said. I bolded it so you would know what I was talking about.

 

I would prefer a great pocket passing QB too. Most people would. We don't have one unless the rookie proves to be (unexpectedly) in his first year. So why complain about a non-pocket passing QB (Tyrod) not playing well as a pocket passer? Silly no?

 

Do what he does. - Well, if you want to become dominant. If you want to lose - keep trying to force Tyrod to be a pocket passer.

I do not believe the Bills can be a dominant offense running an offense predicated on bootlegs and zone read.

[K-9]

I do not believe the Bills can be a dominant offense running an offense predicated on bootlegs and zone read.

 

No QB can.