Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 The TO's are less of an issue than Tyrod scrambling, getting nowhere, and using up clock instead of throwing the ball away. Exactly! Tyrod made some poor decisions which made a bad situation worse. (And I'm not a complete Tyrod hater, though I fully acknowledge we need a replacement.)
Wayne Arnold Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Fixing things that aren't broken is the Buffalo way. Offense is bad. Who would've thought after changing schemes from an already good offense and trading away your best receiver? Could've promoted Anthony Lynn to HC I guess. But he's 0-2 and who knows how the defense would be playing.
Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 This is a terrible thread, IMO. For three reasons: 1) we didn't lose because of clock management; it played actually no role whatsoever in the outcome of the game and so I don't get why this is a complaint. 2) in hindsight, the clock was actually managed correctly. If Zay catches that ball, we call TO and then easily have 3 Shots at the end zone while giving the panthers no chance to get the ball back. 3) if you can't appreciate how well coached the D was out there today and on the road, you are missing what coaching is all about. The game management stuff comes with experience; the fundamental coaching doesn't. ...and then there are these facts....
Wayne Arnold Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Exactly! Tyrod made some poor decisions which made a bad situation worse. (And I'm not a complete Tyrod hater, though I fully acknowledge we need a replacement.) Tyrod's poor decisions do not excuse McDermott's poor decisions. He's the head coach. The head coach is the game manager (unless he hires one to do it for him, which in light of this game may not be a terrible idea). ...and then there are these facts.... Actually none of those things are facts.
ALLEN1QB Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 All I know is it is so nice to not see fat Rex I can't complain
Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Tyrod's poor decisions do not excuse McDermott's poor decisions. He's the head coach. The head coach is the game manager (unless he hires one to do it for him, which in light of this game may not be a terrible idea). Actually none of those things are facts. I guess we'll just disagree. I'm not saying it was perfect, but nothing ever is. It wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. Trade "truths" for "facts" and I fully stand behind that statement. All I know is it is so nice to not see fat Rex I can't complain And THIS I will agree with!
Manther Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 The TO's are less of an issue than Tyrod scrambling, getting nowhere, and using up clock instead of throwing the ball away.Agreed
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Time to fire McD already? Christ I need to get off this board. Whoever is responsible for keeping Taylor on this team needs to be fired.
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Typical DC mentality. "Oh it was a good team, proud of the effort and the team fought hard." See the thing with defensive coordinators are they love this type of nonsense they love keeping games low scoring and close and they feel that it's a good thing that it comes down to the end even though their own offense is settinging the game back by 30 years and a complete embarrassment
Pirate Angel Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 had the game announcers not said anything about poor clock management would we have so many posts on it....
Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 had the game announcers not said anything about poor clock management would we have so many posts on it.... ...and the announcers are generally idiots, so.....
Heitz Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Typical DC mentality. "Oh it was a good team, proud of the effort and the team fought hard." See the thing with defensive coordinators are they love this type of nonsense they love keeping games low scoring and close and they feel that it's a good thing that it comes down to the end even though their own offense is settinging the game back by 30 years and a complete embarrassment So your contention is McDermott wants to limit the opponents score, and then just HOPE to score more than them? I 100% guarantee you are wrong. had the game announcers not said anything about poor clock management would we have so many posts on it.... Truth. Pretty sure this thread was posted after the first mention (though, to be fair, I was on about my 5th seltzer by then!).
Doc Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Fixing things that aren't broken is the Buffalo way. Offense is bad. Who would've thought after changing schemes from an already good offense and trading away your best receiver? The Bills suffered no significant loss of offensive output with Sammy out of the lineup and actually won more games last year.
Doc Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Dig a little deeper bud. And you've already been proven wrong on that. Tyrods production fell off with Sammy out of the lineup the last two years. Goodwin, despite his fragility is a terrific deep threat and the offensive play design last year was A LOT better and better suited for the players we currently have. Continuity there would've been ideal. I don't feel like going back to check Tyrod's production. But the W-L record is correct. Meaning that even if there was greater production with Sammy, it didn't translate to wins.
Rochesterfan Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Maybe clock management would be better if tyrod wouldnt scramble for 3 yards every other play when you are trying to conserve time Truth!
BillsFan130 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) This is a terrible thread, IMO. For three reasons: 1) we didn't lose because of clock management; it played actually no role whatsoever in the outcome of the game and so I don't get why this is a complaint. 2) in hindsight, the clock was actually managed correctly. If Zay catches that ball, we call TO and then easily have 3 Shots at the end zone while giving the panthers no chance to get the ball back. 3) if you can't appreciate how well coached the D was out there today and on the road, you are missing what coaching is all about. The game management stuff comes with experience; the fundamental coaching doesn't. Respectfully disagree with your first 2 points. Clock management I believe played a factor, or at least should have played a factor in most NFL games. On Carolina's last drive, the bills let 33 seconds off before calling a timeout. 33 seconds! That is 3 plays in the NFL at least. If the bills had another 33 seconds, they would have had a better chance the last drive of course. I get that if Jones catches it they have plenty of time, but it is still inexcusable to let 33 seconds run off for no reason . Also completely miss manages the end of the first half- He is lucky the defence came up big- Not sure why he was trying to get a first down when it was 2nd and 27 at their own 5 yard line when there was 70 seconds left, when Carolina only had 1 timeout left.- All he had to do was run it twice and kill the clock Edited September 18, 2017 by billsfan11
Doc Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Does defense come into the equation? Or you are strictly looking at W/L record and nothing else? Just W-L record. If a guy is out and the team does better, it's not the be-all-end-all, but it's another piece of information. Ultimately the question is "do you sign Sammy for $12M/year after the season is over?" If the answer is no, you move him. Do you think the Rams are going to offer him $12M/year, much less franchise him, if he keeps at his current level of production (56 catches for 704 yards)?
Doc Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Respectfully disagree with your first 2 points. Clock management I believe played a factor, or at least should have played a factor in most NFL games. On Carolina's last drive, the bills let 33 seconds off before calling a timeout. 33 seconds! That is 3 plays in the NFL at least. If the bills had another 33 seconds, they would have had a better chance the last drive of course. I get that if Jones catches it they have plenty of time, but it is still inexcusable to let 33 seconds run off for no reason . Also completely miss manages the end of the first half- He is lucky the defence came up big- Not sure why he was trying to get a first down when it was 2nd and 27 at their own 5 yard line when there was 70 seconds left, when Carolina only had 1 timeout left.- All he had to do was run it twice and kill the clock It was a strategic move to wait to call the TO. They wanted to see the Panthers' formation. And it worked. The Panthers did the same thing to the Bills near the end of the game. As for the end of the first half, they ran the ball on that 2nd and 27 so the clock ran. If they run the ball the next play, the Panthers likely stuff them, call a TO and still get the ball back with the same amount of time.
Alphadawg7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 We knew/know this is what Tyrod is. We knew this wasn't going to be a good offense. But I think we were hoping we finally had a coach that could manage the game properly. Clock management by McDermott was absolutely embarrassing. And I don't want to hear about how he's a rookie head coach, he's been around this game. He himself said he's been preparing for this for a long time. It's a tough reality to face that we have yet another head coach who has no idea how to manage the game. I hated the clock management today...however, I am also not in panic mode yet over it. Its still just his 2nd game where he had to manage a clock, and really his first where that clock management was critical at the end of the game. No one is great at everything their first outing, so while it was a disappointment, what he has done to this defense, the way he's taking control of the team and discipline, and other things I have seen from him leaves me very optimistic on McD still Dennison was the way bigger concern for me personally today. McCoy had 3 carries and he was on side line on first down running Tolbert. Tolbert should not be taking carries from McCoy unless to give him a rest or short power run situation. The play calling was puzzling, boring, and highly predictable almost the whole game and felt very conservative and uninspired. Best drive was the last drive where they finally opened up more.
Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 We are two games in, and this is SO much better than Rex I'm thoroughly relieved. I'll give it some time. Geez!
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