yungmack Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Given the offense was a complete disaster all day, obsessing on this one play seems kinda futile, but I guess we must. So : (1) A lot of people here fall into two camps : The "if the receiver gets two hands on the ball it should be a catch" folk, or the "Jones had to jump so it was a bad throw" folk. Both views aren't fair to the players involved and way too simplistic. (2) On the other hand, a lot of people here get very sophisticated with analysis of routes and safety / cornerback coverage. The problem there is what we don't know. I can assume it was a pylon throw bumped slightly to the left to lead away from the cornerback, but that's just speculation. (3) But here's what I see : Jones looks back for the ball over his right shoulder. At this point all he needs to do is continue two strides, look over his left shoulder, and the ball drops into his hands as he crosses the goal line. Instead he takes one stumbling stride, plants & leaps straight up. It was an extremely awkward play on the ball. That seems to me the most relevant point. Excellent analysis. This should end the discussion right there. But of course it won't, we're fans.
starrymessenger Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Absolutely not concerned about Zay Jones. He is going to be a very productive WR and very possibly a star.
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 I agree on many points you made. I do not understand why Zay would be going to the sideline though. Ball was snapped with :13 left (if I remember correctly), and they still had a TO. They are not going to have time to run more than 2 plays anyway, so you would take that TO after the catch had happened, if of course it had. They did have a TO left, although better clock management under 2 minutes would have yielded more time on the clock, and perhaps still had a TO left. But Zay is a rookie, and the play call itself may have been with the intention of a sideline route to stop the clock. A vet WR notices the hole in the coverage, and doesn't flatten out the route as much, anticipating his QB sees the same thing, and "throws him open". The problem with this one play is that there are so many people that want so desperately to see Taylor holding a clipboard, that they'll use whatever they can to give their opinion support. I like Taylor, and want him to succeed, but I won't claim that he's something that he's not. If he's not the guy going forward, so be it. But personally, I thought he put the ball in the right place, watching live, and watching several replays. Maybe I'm wrong. Thing is, even if Zay runs the route differently, catches a GW TD, that wouldn't have erased the rest of a poor overall performance by Taylor, yet there would be people here claiming that Taylor is our savior, while completely dismissing the rest if the game. It was very similar to the Bills @ Titans game a couple years ago. Defense was stout, offense was anemic for 3 quarters. Taylor converted a 3rd and 23 with his legs, hit a deep pass to Hogan, and shortly after that, a TD pass. That kind of clutch play started to show yesterday near the end, but just couldn't haul in the deep pass. Ugly game on offense. If you refuse to consider that Zay ran the wrong route or made the wrong adjustment then I understand why things don't make sense to you. "Crusher the Crusader" Don't bother with him...
r00tabaga Posted September 18, 2017 Author Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) "Crusher the Crusader" Don't bother with him... Good, get him off my case. I thought it was just me. Dude is unstable now. Best of luck to young Zay. Gonna need him. Edited September 18, 2017 by r00tabaga
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Watkins wouldn't have caught it.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Watkins wouldn't have caught it. What do you mean? Tyrod didn't throw it anywhere near the tub.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 What do you mean? Tyrod didn't throw it anywhere near the tub. I'm sticking with my take. He would have caught it, fell to the ground and been out for the year.
AdamK Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 What do you mean? Tyrod didn't throw it anywhere near the tub. Burn.
buffalostu2 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Zay trips over the foot of the CB which doesn't help the route but I am wondering how Tyrod throws that any better WITHOUT the zone corner getting a hand on it? It is a corner route not a sideline route. Tyrod throws to the space doesn't he? It is also important to note that Tyrod let's it go way before Zay turns his head. 30 yd throws are low percentage and I think we understand why today. I just don't think it is accurate to say it was a horrible throw under those conditions.
Tenhigh Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 If the route was supposed to be a straight line from the break to the pylon, he ran the route incorrectly. May have still been a back shoulder catch, but would have been resulted in a touchdown. And before I get hammered for being an apologist, cultist, or whatever you guys think of people who don't blame every shortcoming of the Bills on Taylor, he was not a very good QB yesterday, and leaves a LOT of plays on the field.
H2o Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Zay clearly looked to be running a Post Corner Route. Tyrod looked like he was scared to throw the ball towards the sideline then threw it too far and high at his back shoulder. Zay did everything he could to turn around and get the ball. If Tyrod throws that ball to the right spot then Zay walks into the endzone. Should have been a big W for our team on the road. This year has the makings of 2014 all over again. Lights out defense, but middling offense. To be fair though, Cam missed some throws in the Redzone that could have been TD's for Carolina.
JerseyBills Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Zay trips over the foot of the CB which doesn't help the route but I am wondering how Tyrod throws that any better WITHOUT the zone corner getting a hand on it? It is a corner route not a sideline route. Tyrod throws to the space doesn't he? It is also important to note that Tyrod let's it go way before Zay turns his head. 30 yd throws are low percentage and I think we understand why today. I just don't think it is accurate to say it was a horrible throw under those conditions. Zay clearly loses a split second out his break,it's a low percentage throw, Taylor sticks it where only Zay had a chance. I think that split second was the reason we aren't 2-0. Nonetheless, why wasn't this thrown more often? If we caught them while expecting the throw,why not take shots when they're stacking the box!??
reddogblitz Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Because a rookie WR is going to throw his QB under the bus? Would you feel better if he said the pass was too hard for him to catch?
PolishDave Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Zay clearly loses a split second out his break,it's a low percentage throw, Taylor sticks it where only Zay had a chance. I think that split second was the reason we aren't 2-0. Nonetheless, why wasn't this thrown more often? If we caught them while expecting the throw,why not take shots when they're stacking the box!?? Like how about the first quarter instead of the last friggin offensive play of your game. Dennison sucked monkey balls. Put his ass up in the booth where he belongs.
34-78-83 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Yes, he stumbled in his beak and therefore was late getting his head around. Ball was already in the air because it's an anticipation throw everyone says Tyrod can't make from 35 yards away. If Zay has a smooth break and gets his head around, he tracks it over his shoulder as he trots into the end zone. If tryrod throws where Zay was running it's tough for him to stay in bounds and catch. Blame who you want, I think he threw to the right spot. I was actually defending the accurate throw TT made there. Stating that Zay stumbled a little and bent the route off too much toward the sideline, which he did. That play is for sure supposed to be thrown to the pylon considering the position of the deep and inside safety. Anyway... just clarifying for you. I think most understand (other than the hopeless) by now it was the right throw. Regardless of that, TT and the offense as a whole had a poor outing still.
JerseyBills Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Zay clearly looked to be running a Post Corner Route. Tyrod looked like he was scared to throw the ball towards the sideline then threw it too far and high at his back shoulder. Zay did everything he could to turn around and get the ball. If Tyrod throws that ball to the right spot then Zay walks into the endzone. Should have been a big W for our team on the road. This year has the makings of 2014 all over again. Lights out defense, but middling offense. To be fair though, Cam missed some throws in the Redzone that could have been TD's for Carolina. To be fair, the O had a great game, dominant against the Jets, and a terrible game @Car..I think the D will be better than 14 and the O will be much better, let's not rush to labels after 2 weeks. Happy we have a very good defense to bounce back on. Like how about the first quarter instead of the last friggin offensive play of your game. Dennison sucked monkey balls. Put his ass up in the booth where he belongs. Yup, instead of running Shady into a top 3 or better front 7 , get some of these throws in, where the D at least has to account for it. Terrible game plan,but I really think our leadership and Dennison learn from this and bounce back nicely versus Denver.
Tenhigh Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Zay clearly looked to be running a Post Corner Route. Tyrod looked like he was scared to throw the ball towards the sideline then threw it too far and high at his back shoulder. Zay did everything he could to turn around and get the ball. If Tyrod throws that ball to the right spot then Zay walks into the endzone. Should have been a big W for our team on the road. This year has the makings of 2014 all over again. Lights out defense, but middling offense. To be fair though, Cam missed some throws in the Redzone that could have been TD's for Carolina. Wasnt that route supposed to go to the back pylon in a straight line from the break? Edited September 18, 2017 by Tenhigh
reddogblitz Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) WrongThanks Trump. Wrooooooooooooong It's the QBs job to put the football on the receivers hands. It's the receivers job to catch it when it hits his hands. Are you saying that pass was too hard for poor little ole Zay to catch? Edited September 18, 2017 by reddogblitz
Freddie's Dead Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 Donald Jones just explained that based on the safety's positioning, Zay Jones was supposed to "stay high" (go to back pylon), but instead, Zay "went flat" (towards the sideline). So supposably TT threw the ball to where Zay "should" have been (remember Fitz's INT when TJ ran the wrong route?). So Donald Jones lays it at Zay's feet, but I still hate Tie-rod!!
Royale with Cheese Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 After hearing Donald Jones explain the play, I put it now more on Zay. Zay needed to break it high and he cut it short.
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