Socialized Medicine - Bernie Style

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

Aside from Cruz getting the 2nd most delegates in the last primary, and a two-term president from 2000-2008.

Not to mention the home state of the founder of the Liberty Caucus, Ron Paul, which now comprises some 20% of the Republican House, and former Governor Rick Perry who now heads up the Department of Energy.

 

this is your hill to die on?

 

okay.................................

 

Who gives a crap about Cruz, he is not remotely a national political figure.

 

And the Bushes are Connecticut well-bred folk, not Texans for real.

He was the Governor of the state. Or would you like to continue with your "No true Scotsman" fallacy?

 

And Ted Cruz isn't a national political figure? Perhaps you'd be better off sticking to Canadian politics.

 

It's hard to imagine a worse argument than "The Republican leaning state with the most electors (38) doesn't take a leadership role in the direction of the Republican Party."

Edited September 15, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker

[TH3]

An assertion which ignores the rapid growth of libertarianism in and outside of government over the last 12 years. They've grown so much that they've moved to Republican Party to a place where they are unable to legislate or govern, because they can't move without getting the libertarians on board, and they can't get the libertarians on board without a libertarian agenda.

 

Further, stagnation of this sort doesn't hurt the libertarians politically with their base, because they're doing what their base wants of them. The people who elect libertarians don't want them to play nice with big government players in either party. They aren't even interested in "this far no further" politics. They demand libertarian reforms within government, and celebrate the failure to advance any agenda outside of that scope.

 

And again, they're growing rapidly.

Libertarians....what a joke....tell me when in the history of time or now where a "Libertarian" society was established and succeeded with positive results...

 

As I said before....its a great state of mind because IT WLL NEVER HAPPEN and therefore you can just sit back and complain about how great it would be if only.....

[TakeYouToTasker]

Libertarians....what a joke....tell me when in the history of time or now where a "Libertarian" society was established and succeeded with positive results...

 

As I said before....its a great state of mind because IT WLL NEVER HAPPEN and therefore you can just sit back and complain about how great it would be if only.....

Libertariansm, or classical liberalism, was the guiding philosophy of the Founders of the United States. It's principals are the reason freedom and self governance exists at all in the world today, including economic freedom, which has created the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. I'd say that's a ringing historical endorsement.

 

The reasons libertarian states don't exist today is not because they wouldn't work, but because the global political class derives 100% of their power from reliance on the state.

 

But hey, again, how are you not completely ashamed to show your face around here after our last exchange?

Edited September 15, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker

[grinreaper]

Libertarians....what a joke....tell me when in the history of time or now where a "Libertarian" society was established and succeeded with positive results...

 

As I said before....its a great state of mind because IT WLL NEVER HAPPEN and therefore you can just sit back and complain about how great it would be if only.....

After socialism failed, Jamestown, VA flourished by adopting a libertarian philosophy.

[Azalin]

 

this is your hill to die on?

 

okay.................................

 

Who gives a crap about Cruz, he is not remotely a national political figure.

 

And the Bushes are Connecticut well-bred folk, not Texans for real.

 

You don't know a lot about Texas, do you?

[B-Man]

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[B-Man]

BETSY MACCAUGHEY: How BernieCare slams working people.

 

If Sanders has his way, 180 million Americans who currently have private coverage would have it ripped away and be automatically enrolled in public insurance.

Kids would be enrolled at birth.

 

Medicare for All doesn’t just offer government health insurance to the needy. It makes private coverage illegal, including the health coverage you get at your job. Employers are prohibited from covering workers, retirees and their families.

Sanders’ bill raises a critical question: If you’re seriously ill, will you be able to get the care you need?

 

BernieCare guarantees you hospital care, doctors’ visits, dental and vision care, mental health and even long-term care, all courtesy of Uncle Sam. Amazing, right? But read the fine print. Yo

u’ll get care only if it’s “medically necessary” and “appropriate.” Government bureaucrats will decide, and they’ll be under pressure to cut spending

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“Single payer,” as I never tire of reminding people, is code for “single decider.”

[row_33]

BETSY MACCAUGHEY: How BernieCare slams working people.

 

If Sanders has his way, 180 million Americans who currently have private coverage would have it ripped away and be automatically enrolled in public insurance.

Kids would be enrolled at birth.

 

Medicare for All doesn’t just offer government health insurance to the needy. It makes private coverage illegal, including the health coverage you get at your job. Employers are prohibited from covering workers, retirees and their families.

Sanders’ bill raises a critical question: If you’re seriously ill, will you be able to get the care you need?

 

BernieCare guarantees you hospital care, doctors’ visits, dental and vision care, mental health and even long-term care, all courtesy of Uncle Sam. Amazing, right? But read the fine print. Yo

u’ll get care only if it’s “medically necessary” and “appropriate.” Government bureaucrats will decide, and they’ll be under pressure to cut spending

.

 

 

 

 

 

“Single payer,” as I never tire of reminding people, is code for “single decider.”

 

It's not that way in Canada. Then again, your population won't work for this system. Shoulda put it in during the 1950s.

 

Oh well, good luck.

[Tiberius]

After socialism failed, Jamestown, VA flourished by adopting a libertarian philosophy.

You mean the slavery they adopted? 1619 the first slaves got there.

[row_33]

You mean the slavery they adopted? 1619 the first slaves got there.

bingo

[DC Tom]

You mean the slavery they adopted? 1619 the first slaves got there.

 

The Jamestown economy was based primarily on indentured servants from England through most of the 17th century.

 

Which was still far from a libertarian paradise...but neither was it a slave colony until the 18th century.

[B-Man]

Cuban Doctors Revolt: “You Get Tired Of Being A Slave”

 

Thousands of Cuban doctors work abroad under contracts with the Cuban authorities. Countries like Brazil pay the island’s Communist government millions of dollars every month to provide the medical services, effectively making the doctors Cuba’s most valuable export.

But the doctors get a small cut of that money, and a growing number of them in Brazil have begun to rebel. In the last year, at least 150 Cuban doctors have filed lawsuits in Brazilian courts to challenge the arrangement, demanding to be treated as independent contractors who earn full salaries, not agents of the Cuban state.

“When you leave Cuba for the first time, you discover many things that you had been blind to,” said Yaili Jiménez Gutierrez, one of the doctors who filed suit. “There comes a time when you get tired of being a slave.”

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/world/americas/brazil-cuban-doctors-revolt.html?mcubz=0

 

 

Wait til they hear the news .................

 

[B-Man]

STEVEN RATTNER: Why ‘Medicare for All’ Will Sink the Democrats.

Privately, many moderate Democratic senators are harshly critical of Sanders’s tactics. “It’s radioactive for me,” one Democrat facing re-election in 2018 told me.

But publicly, even Democratic senators who have declined to endorse Medicare for All have done so in measured terms to avoid antagonizing the progressives.

“The first thing has to be to protect the health care people have now and stabilize markets,” said Debbie Stabenow of Michigan.

Instead of Medicare for All, we Democrats should be focused on “Better Jobs for All” — big ideas for addressing our most pressing economic challenge. That is: the wage stagnation that has left too many Americans behind, particularly white working-class men.

That’s not an easy problem to solve, but we know the solutions revolve around people-centric initiatives like improving education, providing more training and retraining and increasing worker mobility.

To buttress those programs, it’s time to move ahead with rebuilding our infrastructure and restoring government investment spending on research and development.

In doing so,

let’s not forget that only about a quarter of voters consider themselves liberals

; the balance self-identify as moderates or conservatives.

Our model of democratic capitalism has stood us well for more than two centuries; now is not the time to embrace the kinds of ideas, often involving deep government economic intervention, that have often fallen short elsewhere, notably in much of Europe.

 

 

 

 

Usually even moderate Democrats seem eager to hold up Europe as an example for us to emulate. There must be something in the polling winds.