yungmack Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 Can't really give Whaley any credit. Lawson was by far the highest rated player on the board when we picked. He only fell that far due to the shoulder. Of course not. Your lane is blame Whaley.
CommonCents Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 I dont know if I should bother to point out just how wrong this post is..... naaaaa I just think you have to look at production over a collection of games..... Last year? I throw that out and dont even count it You don't play well with others JFH. You don't know football either. Why has Shaq all but abandoned his patented spin move that he posterized Stanley with? Probably because his coaches realize he isn't going to out quick anyone or confuse anyone with "speed to power". He is a bull, often the last bull out of the pen. Stop being so aggressive towards other posters, your takes are wrong so frequently that you don't even walk them back. Be civil. Have fun. Go Bills.
BringBackOrton Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 I dont know if I should bother to point out just how wrong this post is..... naaaaa I just think you have to look at production over a collection of games..... Last year? I throw that out and dont even count it I don't care what you count it. He played last year.
boyst Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 I dont know if I should bother to point out just how wrong this post is..... naaaaa I just think you have to look at production over a collection of games..... Last year? I throw that out and dont even count it ok, so at what point can we begin to form an opinion on a player? Let's go back to 2010. Still waiting on permission for CJ Spiller
3rdand12 Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 You don't play well with others JFH. You don't know football either. Why has Shaq all but abandoned his patented spin move that he posterized Stanley with? Probably because his coaches realize he isn't going to out quick anyone or confuse anyone with "speed to power". He is a bull, often the last bull out of the pen. Stop being so aggressive towards other posters, your takes are wrong so frequently that you don't even walk them back. Be civil. Have fun. Go Bills. I have trouble seeing the negative posts on Shaq so soon. He is a Bills player. some of us are just shtty fans really. overly aggressive when critiquing our own players. I really don t get that. Lawson played last year just to get get some NFL snaps. At Linebacker, on case some have forgotten he was badly miscast by rex ( whom ruined everything ). I can toss out last year as well. Easily. Fresh start for the Kid. He played well last week.Go Bills ! ok, so at what point can we begin to form an opinion on a player? Let's go back to 2010. Still waiting on permission for CJ Spiller opinions are always evolving? I hope so, as the world turns and seasons change. if you need permission to bash Spiller as a wasted poor pick by Whaley? Have at it. it's a fair take. Wish you had purged earlier. When the Colon gets inflamed sht gets crappy. Be nicer to your self J. Probiotics and a cleansing now and again do wonders for the soul
Meark Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 We played a Jets team that is clearly tanking the season. Let's wait until week 5 before throwing out numbers. I thought we were tanking the season?
Wayne Arnold Posted September 15, 2017 Author Posted September 15, 2017 I don't care what you count it. He played last year. So Shaq is a bust after last season? A season in a Ryan scheme where the defense was near the bottom of the NFL in sacks? Where even Hughes couldn't get to the quarterback? I didn't even know this was a take from last season. Interesting.
Bill Murray Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 Such riveting arguments. Yea seriously. We are 1-0. Our defense was dominant against the run, which made the opponent play one dimensional football. If we played like that every week we will be in decent shape. Everyone relax with the hot takes.
Passepartout Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 One down, 15 more to go in 2017! Just hope they can build on their performance.
JerseyBills Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 one game or not, he hasn't shown much to what people want and expect. He hasn't shown growth or development eitherFirst NFL training camp in his first game as a 43 DE and he was a force in the run game. I guarantee Frazier and DL coach are estatic with his play lol and you're here labeling him a washed up bum with no potential. Smh
John from Riverside Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 You don't play well with others JFH. You don't know football either. Why has Shaq all but abandoned his patented spin move that he posterized Stanley with? Probably because his coaches realize he isn't going to out quick anyone or confuse anyone with "speed to power". He is a bull, often the last bull out of the pen. Stop being so aggressive towards other posters, your takes are wrong so frequently that you don't even walk them back. Be civil. Have fun. Go Bills. LOL....i just have to LOL at this You have a nice day sir
GunnerBill Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 So Shaq is a bust after last season? A season in a Ryan scheme where the defense was near the bottom of the NFL in sacks? Where even Hughes couldn't get to the quarterback? I didn't even know this was a take from last season. Interesting. Here is an interesting stat.... in the last 11 NFL games the Bills have played Shaq Lawson has as many sacks as Jerry Hughes. They both have 2. So I do think there is something to your point Wayne. The scheme wasn't producing sacks down the stretch last year.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) You don't play well with others JFH. You don't know football either. Why has Shaq all but abandoned his patented spin move that he posterized Stanley with? Probably because his coaches realize he isn't going to out quick anyone or confuse anyone with "speed to power". He is a bull, often the last bull out of the pen. Stop being so aggressive towards other posters, your takes are wrong so frequently that you don't even walk them back. Be civil. Have fun. Go Bills. This smacks of passive aggressiveness.I don't know John from Adam's house cat, but I have read enough of his posts to know he understands football. John is an optimist about Bills players. Honestly, shouldn't we all be as Bills fans? What joy is taken from wanting a player to not be good ? Is it so a poster can say ' I know something about football'? I have been guilty of this in the past. As for Shaq, it is far to early to tell. Beasley in Atl had a less than stellar rookie season. The coaching staff moved his position for his second season and he led the league in sacks. Players do get better and develop. Coaching helps with this a ton. Look at our own Lorax! Positive thinking is really something we need more of. Any of you claiming to emphatically know anything about Lawson are just speculating with hopes of being able to say 'see I told you'. i would rather be able to watch one of my teams players turn out to be good. This is entertainment, what not watch it for the happy ending? We are due that. Edited September 16, 2017 by atlbillsfan1975
Coach Tuesday Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) Here is an interesting stat.... in the last 11 NFL games the Bills have played Shaq Lawson has as many sacks as Jerry Hughes. They both have 2. So I do think there is something to your point Wayne. The scheme wasn't producing sacks down the stretch last year. But what are their respective pressure numbers? That's really what matters, not sacks. Rex Ryan's defense (or whatever you can call the monstrosity he brought to Buffalo) wasn't about sacks, it was about pressure and confusion (it was supposed to confuse the offense, ironically). Edited September 16, 2017 by Coach Tuesday
BuffAlone Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) k. What's your take?My take is that he was an elite edge setter who got his share of sacks in college. At the very least, he should duplicate that in the pros. The injury and scheme change hindered him slightly in year one, but he was drafted at 19 overall. I think for his skill set, his floor is what he was in Clemson. And by all accounts the new staff likes what he is and what he does. Can he improve his pass rush? No doubt. Will he? Depends on what he's asked to do. I certainly think as it stands right now, he's worth #19 pick...with potential to grow as a pass rusher. Just my take. He's not lightning quick or twitchy, but has great hand usage and bullrush moves. He'll only get better as he grows and wisens up to the pro game. Again, just my take Edited September 16, 2017 by BuffAlone
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 So Shaq is a bust after last season? A season in a Ryan scheme where the defense was near the bottom of the NFL in sacks? Where even Hughes couldn't get to the quarterback? I didn't even know this was a take from last season. Interesting. Selective memory where Hughes' first 5 or so games were some of the best in his career?
GunnerBill Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 But what are their respective pressure numbers? That's really what matters, not sacks. Rex Ryan's defense (or whatever you can call the monstrosity he brought to Buffalo) wasn't about sacks, it was about pressure and confusion (it was supposed to confuse the offense, ironically). Appearing in 10 games and getting over 50% of the snaps in just 2 Shaq got 12 pressures in 2017 (in addition to 2 sacks). Jerry got 29 in 16 games (in addition to 6 sacks) but I don't have a breakdown of how many of those came early in the year. I suspect a large %. Now personally I still believe that you have to turn those pressures into sacks. If Shaq was 2/14 pressure opportunities and Jerry was 6/35 pressure opportunities that suggests he wasn't as unproductive as some have suggested. I won't be here at the end of this year arguing Shaq should get the benefit of the doubt for only ending up with let's say 4 sacks because he got say 20 pressures. If Shaq plays 16 games he needs to be right around that benchmark of 8. If he gets 6 or 7 I think the jury will still be out to an extent but then 2018 will be sink or swim in terms of justifying his draft slot.
Wayne Arnold Posted September 16, 2017 Author Posted September 16, 2017 But what are their respective pressure numbers? That's really what matters, not sacks. Rex Ryan's defense (or whatever you can call the monstrosity he brought to Buffalo) wasn't about sacks, it was about pressure and confusion (it was supposed to confuse the offense, ironically). The more pressure you have, the more sacks you're going to have. It goes hand in hand. It's not as if Rex told the players "when you get close to the quarterback, stop before you sack him". Come on, now. Selective memory where Hughes' first 5 or so games were some of the best in his career? If only the NFL were a five-game season.
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 The more pressure you have, the more sacks you're going to have. It goes hand in hand. It's not as if Rex told the players "when you get close to the quarterback, stop before you sack him". Come on, now. If only the NFL were a five-game season. If it were a 5 game season, Shaq would still have done next to nothing in the NFL.
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