Kirby Jackson Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) I never heard receivers blamed so much for dropped passes as I hear with TT, so it evens out.Ha ha ha, read what you just wrote, "I never heard receivers blamed so much for dropped passes." Ridiculous Edited September 11, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
Crusher Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 Ha ha ha, read what you just wrote, "I never heard receivers blamed so much for dropped passes." Ridiculous I know what I said. Posters here harp over every drop and always blame the receiver...even when it's late, behind, or just off target. And I think we all know why that is, don't we?
oldmanfan Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 He used the middle of the field more, which was good to see. Got the ball out quicker, which is good. Used the TE more, which is good. Used his mobility to make plays, which is good. Missed some throws, which isn't good. I know it isn't going to happen, but these Taylor threads should be stopped at some point. He did some things yesterday that he's been criticized for, like using the TE more and going over the middle more. Yet that is not recognized by some. He is what he is, a very athletic, mobile QB that has some deficiencies in his game. Criticizing him for what he is, is kind of dumb after a while. Brady doesn't get criticized because he can't make plays with his legs. That's a big part of TTs game so why say that's wrong? Use that skill, and keep working on other parts.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I know what I said. Posters here harp over every drop and always blame the receiver...even when it's late, behind, or just off target. And I think we all know why that is, don't we? The overwhelming majority of dropped passes are the receivers fault. Thats why they chart the stat as a receiver stat. http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2016&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=11&qualified=1&sortOrder=0
r00tabaga Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Wow. Guy played good and we can't just be happy. I feel like the minority here. I'm the loser for liking OUR starting QB. There is a crispness to the pace of the offense as well and nobody is mentioning this. I liked what I saw. Tyrod had almost 300 yds combined and was 2/1 and really SHOULD have been 3/0. Edited September 11, 2017 by r00tabaga
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I know what I said. Posters here harp over every drop and always blame the receiver...even when it's late, behind, or just off target. And I think we all know why that is, don't we? The overwhelming majority of home runs allowed by pitchers, are the pitchers fault! Not the Catcher.
Crusher Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 He used the middle of the field more, which was good to see. Got the ball out quicker, which is good. Used the TE more, which is good. Used his mobility to make plays, which is good. Missed some throws, which isn't good. I know it isn't going to happen, but these Taylor threads should be stopped at some point. He did some things yesterday that he's been criticized for, like using the TE more and going over the middle more. Yet that is not recognized by some. He is what he is, a very athletic, mobile QB that has some deficiencies in his game. Criticizing him for what he is, is kind of dumb after a while. Brady doesn't get criticized because he can't make plays with his legs. That's a big part of TTs game so why say that's wrong? Use that skill, and keep working on other parts. I didn't criticize him at all after this game. I said usual TT, and posters got mad. Anyways...I agree with the overall premise of your post. He is what he is, and I'm glad he utilizes the skills he does have.
dave mcbride Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 The overwhelming majority of dropped passes are the receivers fault. Thats why they chart the stat as a receiver stat. http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2016&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=11&qualified=1&sortOrder=0 You're barking up the wrong tree, I fear.
Kmart128 Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 While he has made some strives which is good we still see the assets that make him dynamic which is perfect. A lot of players think they are being forced to change their entire game and become something their not. Tyrod still scrambled but had a lot less aimless scrambling and he kept his eyes downfield. Tyrod wouldnt have made the pass to McCoy dowm the middle last year. He was able to keep eyes down field and makr an accurate throw on the move. Those are the type of plays we wanted to see out of him.
Bills757 Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I'm sorry, but this is quite delusional. I didn't see drastic improvement or poise. I saw more easy and simple throws under little to no pressure. This is the stuff I'm talking about. Posters claim they know what TT is and that they don't say he's great, but one decent performance against a bad team and they are claiming him as such. What you saw was nothing special. It's gonna take much more than that over the course of multiple games before I make such proclamations about TT making drastic improvement. I'M SHOCKED!!! YOU didn't see ANY drastic improvements? Not one single aspect?! NONE!?!? Nobody's anointing him anything, just acknowledging the fact he did some things we haven't seen in the past and had a solid game overall. You're the one ready to jump off the cliff because he didn't absolutely suck out there hence the general condemnation of his game yesterday by you. God help you if he comes out next week and puts in another solid performance. I'll head over to the Falls expecting to see you climbing into your barrel. LOL
Heavy Kevi Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I didn't see anything to suggest Taylor is markedly better. A few throws over the middle were good, but I certainly didn't see 2.0. I actually think Taylor had a fine game, but he's had several better games, and I would say he needs to improve beyond those measuring sticks before he can be considered a new incarnation. I hope he gets there, but he hasn't gotten there yet imo.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I didn't criticize him at all after this game. I said usual TT, and posters got mad. Anyways...I agree with the overall premise of your post. He is what he is, and I'm glad he utilizes the skills he does have. Calling the poster delusional didn't help things!
GunnerBill Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I didn't see anything to suggest Taylor is markedly better. A few throws over the middle were good, but I certainly didn't see 2.0. I actually think Taylor had a fine game, but he's had several better games, and I would say he needs to improve beyond those measuring sticks before he can be considered a new incarnation. I hope he gets there, but he hasn't gotten there yet imo. Sensible take. Watch out for the flame throwers.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 One thing that I haven't seen posted about the interception. He made the throw and didn't try to run. In the past people have argued that if he tried to make a few more throws it may lead to a few more picks, but will help him in the long run. That could have been and I will argue should have been caught by Clay. In the past he has been very quick to take off and try to run in those situations.
Bills Pimpin' Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 He used the middle of the field more, which was good to see. Got the ball out quicker, which is good. Used the TE more, which is good. Used his mobility to make plays, which is good. Missed some throws, which isn't good. I know it isn't going to happen, but these Taylor threads should be stopped at some point. He did some things yesterday that he's been criticized for, like using the TE more and going over the middle more. Yet that is not recognized by some. He is what he is, a very athletic, mobile QB that has some deficiencies in his game. Criticizing him for what he is, is kind of dumb after a while. Brady doesn't get criticized because he can't make plays with his legs. That's a big part of TTs game so why say that's wrong? Use that skill, and keep working on other parts. I agree with this 100%. Everyone knows TT is not a great pocket passer but he made plays yesterday with his feet that 1 or 2 QB's in the league could make and those plays were instrumental in the Bills winning the football game. If there is ANY improvement in his pocket presence and ability to use the middle of the field the offense will improve or at minimum stay status quo. It may not be Tyrod Taylor 2.0 but in that first game it was about Tyrod Taylor 1.5 IMO.
GunnerBill Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 One thing that I haven't seen posted about the interception. He made the throw and didn't try to run. In the past people have argued that if he tried to make a few more throws it may lead to a few more picks, but will help him in the long run. That could have been and I will argue should have been caught by Clay. In the past he has been very quick to take off and try to run in those situations. Yep. That was a good throw and the fact is when you try and make more throws in those spots you will have a few more turnovers. I'm not concerned in the slightest by that pick from the QB perspective. Nor should the Bills be. You go over the tape today and tell him "hey make that throw every time".
zow2 Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I'm thrilled with TT. Geez, how would you like to have Tolzien or Savage, etc or even an old geezer like Carson Palmer?... to be your QB. Seriously, some Bills fans should chill and be thankful we have a decent QB here and a decent looking rookie backup.
grb Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) I thought it was the same Tyrod we have seen through two years to be honest. There were a few more plays over the middle, that is true. But there was the usual mix of some really nice throws, a few bad throws, some excellent escapes with his legs and a handful of situations where he left plays on the field with guys he just didn't appear to see. Let's see : A few plays over the middle Some really nice throws A few bad throws Some plays left on the field You just described every single quarterback in every single game yesterday. Almost all qbs throw less over the middle; Taylor has been criticized for lagging a few percentage points behind his peers. Likewise, every quarterback whiffs on a few throws and leaves plays on the field. I sometimes think Bills fans don't watch other qb play with the same critical eye they use on their own guy. One of the networks was running a sidebar rolling list of the best quarterback numbers of the day - by yardage. Sure, Taylor was buried way down the list, but there were a lot of gawdawful performances above him. His numbers actually looked pretty good. I'll take it a step further : One of the major debates this offseason was whether a subpar set of receivers (or losing your prime target) affects qb play. This would seem obvious, but a lot of people insisted "Tom Brady doesn't need receivers." Well, watching Thursday's game I thought even god-like Brady looked like he needed receivers. Watching poor Eli struggle last night I thought maybe qbs do suffer when their main guy is out. Edited September 11, 2017 by grb
DirtDart Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 He used the middle of the field more, which was good to see. Got the ball out quicker, which is good. Used the TE more, which is good. Used his mobility to make plays, which is good. Missed some throws, which isn't good. I know it isn't going to happen, but these Taylor threads should be stopped at some point. He did some things yesterday that he's been criticized for, like using the TE more and going over the middle more. Yet that is not recognized by some. He is what he is, a very athletic, mobile QB that has some deficiencies in his game. Criticizing him for what he is, is kind of dumb after a while. Brady doesn't get criticized because he can't make plays with his legs. That's a big part of TTs game so why say that's wrong? Use that skill, and keep working on other parts. Luckily the Jets LB corp is terrible and the coaching staff exploited the fact, and the line gave him time to throw. We shall see how well he uses the middle of the field against a good team.
HappyDays Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 While he has made some strives which is good we still see the assets that make him dynamic which is perfect. A lot of players think they are being forced to change their entire game and become something their not. Tyrod still scrambled but had a lot less aimless scrambling and he kept his eyes downfield. Tyrod wouldnt have made the pass to McCoy dowm the middle last year. He was able to keep eyes down field and makr an accurate throw on the move. Those are the type of plays we wanted to see out of him. Good post. Contrary to popular belief QBs can improve no mattter how many years they've been in there league. Starting on the field is the only way to make real progress. One thing that I haven't seen posted about the interception. He made the throw and didn't try to run. In the past people have argued that if he tried to make a few more throws it may lead to a few more picks, but will help him in the long run. That could have been and I will argue should have been caught by Clay. In the past he has been very quick to take off and try to run in those situations. Great point.
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