JohnC Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Think that this is pretty fair John. Many people believe that I am a basher of TT. I'm not. We are fortunate that we have him. He has been far away our best option as a qb in a very long time. I don't think it is a radical thought to have that if he was our qb in Marrone's second year that the Bills playoff drought might have been over. The issue for this bedraggled franchise is whether it is going to use this "bargain" qb as an opportunity to give us the time to get a top shelf prospect. Or is it going to squander its opportunities to simply get by? TT, even as a backup and a change of pace qb, has an opportunity to carve out a long and lucrative career. One can argue that he has accomplished that already. Taylor is a far different qb than the cerebral and raggedly armed Fitz. To his credit what the vagabond Fitz has done is make a ton of money with severe limitations over a long period of time. Although survivors are not usually very prominent they can still leave this game very wealthy. That's not something to demean.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Preseason? Where did that come from? Never mind this conversation is not reflective of my initial intent
Big Gun Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 If Tyrod stinks out the joint and the Bills lose, then what?
Gugny Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 I can't believe all the negativity I'm reading in this thread. We had the 10th best scoring offense in football last year. Unleash this guy and the sky is the limit! Go Bills!
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Another Rodak gem QB Confidence Index: Buffalo Bills Tyrod Taylor's revised contract, which allows Buffalo to get out of it after this year, doesn't scream confidence, and the top option behind, Nathan Peterman, remains unproven.
HappyDays Posted September 9, 2017 Author Posted September 9, 2017 I can't believe all the negativity I'm reading in this thread. We had the 10th best scoring offense in football last year. Unleash this guy and the sky is the limit! Go Bills! Before week 17 last year we had scored the 3rd most offensive TDs in the league. This year we have Shady and Tyrod coming back, and a receiving corps that is really no worse than it was for 80% of last year. The offensive line is also exactly the same. What changed that makes you think we go from top 5 in offensive TDs to a garbage offense?
Heavy Kevi Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Another Rodak gem QB Confidence Index: Buffalo Bills Tyrod Taylor's revised contract, which allows Buffalo to get out of it after this year, doesn't scream confidence, and the top option behind, Nathan Peterman, remains unproven. Rodak's tears haven't dried up yet from Thursday night. Give the poor baby a break.
LTarmy Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Stats lie I want them to win..:that is all I care about. Now, I want him to hit his WRs, not overthrow people down the seem and not take bad sacks. You can throw for 300 yards and QB poorly. Judging a QB solely by his stat line is pure insanity....especially when the team has no real WRs and is a running team.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 If Tyrod stinks out the joint and the Bills lose, then what?What if he plays great?
BADOLBILZ Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 As one of TBD's biggest Tyrod fans, I look forward to this. I do as well. Personally I have always felt that Tyrod is a QB who can amplify big play receiving and running talent and make an OL look a lot better than it is........he has a skillset that few have........but I don't see him being more than a mediocre fit for short pitch-and-catch WCO football. Which is why I remain skeptical that enough can be done with the weapons at hand for him to be better than he was in the previous offense WITH a healthy Sammy Watkins. Taylor was down statistically in 2016 from 2015........but I felt like he was clearly a better QB by the end of 2016 than he was in 2015. Improvement is good.....we've seen bad QB's......and the trend is typically an initial good look when they were new.....then steady decline. Dennison brings a more sophisticated passing system and I've always admired that Shanny/Kubiak offense and was REALLY optimistic about it with Sammy coming back. I'll say this too.......expectations have been low before seasons in the past......1998 they weren't very high with what looked like a BAD offense(young QB, with a bad OL and bad WR corps with a bust named Eric Moulds considered a possible CUT in camp)........ and 10 games in Bills fans were having SB dreams.........Jauron year 1 expectations were ultra-low so that 7 wins felt like a lot more. Unexpected QB play was critical in both turnarounds..........Flutie/Johnson were spectacular at times and Losman was turned into a very productive play action passer by a well coordinated Steve Fairchild gameplan. So if they can get a big year out of Tyrod then a successful season isn't out of the question despite some really poor optics to this point.
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Admittedly I am a fan of Tyrod's, but I have to admit I have some serious doubt as to whether he will ever see the whole field or throw with anticipation. Having said that, he is at worst a competent QB. And his legs and deep ball coupled with McCoy means we will score some points. All comes down to how strong the D can be, IMHO. We may need them to be very strong, but maybe they can be. Still a unit with a lot of talent. Hyde, Hughes, Williams, Dareus, Brown, White, Lorax -- it is a group with meaningful ability if maximized.
LTarmy Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 What if he plays great? He needs to do it again. If he plays poorly, he needs to rebound!!!
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 He needs to do it again. If he plays poorly, he needs to rebound!!!Exactly
Webster Guy Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Maybe the culture they are building is wrong? I'm sure just about EVERY team in the NFL would love to have Watkins. yes, a healthy sammy with a reasonable cap number. the guy had 400 yards for us last year
SoTier Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 I know it's a tough decision to accept but I do trust McBeane on this. Sammy did not fit the culture they're trying to build. He complained publicly to the media about his targets and talked about raising the bar for receiver contracts. That's not the type of player McBeane wants here and he has injury issues that are possibly going to creep up again. We're going to play ball like KC did yesterday I'm guessing. Run the ball, short passes, go deep a couple times a game. It is a recipe for success and we save a ton of cap space since we don't have to pay Sammy that money. Depending on how Jordan Matthews and Zay Jones do I think Tyrod will be fine. Why, exactly, do you "trust" McDermott and Beane? Because they spout a bunch of platitudes and make promises that you like hearing? Neither of them have track records as head guys: they've always been assistants, never the leaders. Whatever happened to earning trust? Moreover, in what way(s) did Watkins "not fit the culture they're trying to build"? That he dared to speak his mind? Dude, this is 2017 NOT 1967! As long as players perform on the field, whatever they think about issues like player salaries or standing for the national anthem is their own damned business. Furthermore, the Bills are notorious for filling player contracts, especially rookie contracts, with individual performance incentives rather than just giving them a flat salary, so a WR who doesn't get many targets is going to get paid a lot less than he might if he just got a flat salary. It encourages a "me first" attitude rather than a "team first" attitude, and the fault for that is all on the Bills not on the players.
MAJBobby Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Why hasn't he been unleashed the past two years? He has been. Expect more of the same. One more year. Just one more year
Gugny Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Why, exactly, do you "trust" McDermott and Beane? Because they spout a bunch of platitudes and make promises that you like hearing? Neither of them have track records as head guys: they've always been assistants, never the leaders. Whatever happened to earning trust? Moreover, in what way(s) did Watkins "not fit the culture they're trying to build"? That he dared to speak his mind? Dude, this is 2017 NOT 1967! As long as players perform on the field, whatever they think about issues like player salaries or standing for the national anthem is their own damned business. Furthermore, the Bills are notorious for filling player contracts, especially rookie contracts, with individual performance incentives rather than just giving them a flat salary, so a WR who doesn't get many targets is going to get paid a lot less than he might if he just got a flat salary. It encourages a "me first" attitude rather than a "team first" attitude, and the fault for that is all on the Bills not on the players. I think demanding the ball more .... when he was on crutches .... told me, anyway, what kind of character Sam has. He's done a lot of talking since entering the NFL. Unfortunately, on the field, what he's shown most is potential. That doesn't earn him the right to flap his lips, in my opinion. He's trying to be T.O. without getting the TDs first. Count me in the, "glad he's gone," camp.
MAJBobby Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Maybe he'll be picked for his third pro bowl in a row. Cue the hate...... As the 3rd Alternate.
billsfan60 Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 So nice to see the usual punchbowl pissers make their appearance in this thread. Sadly, the notion that those who are optimistic for the Bills are either clueless homers or newbie transplants from elsewhere with no football IQ at all and every naysayer, doom and gloom, the sky is falling pessimist some how has the inside track on smarts and should be agreed with on the strength of their negativity. And for both the optimists and the pessimists remember this: If you say something enough times it will eventually become a fact(oid)
IDBillzFan Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) You know, I appreciate the Tyrod discussions like the next fan, so forgive me for pointing out that if you want to make your point about how much you dislike him, come up with something other than "He's in his seventh year." Technically, you are correct. Logistically, you're using a point that is useless because he sat on a bench for four of those years. You don't progress as QB in the NFL by sitting on a bench during the regular season. Yeah, I get it. It *sounds" like such a solid point against him. But it's not solid. It's lazy. And anyone who knows even a little bit about this game knows it's a ridiculous point to keep bringing up. Few NFL'ers play (actually play, not sit on a bench) in this league for seven seasons and stay on a team if he sucks. Frankly, I'm surprised so many Bills fans don't understand this very simple truth. EDITOR'S NOTE: I'm not arguing one way or another as to what kind of QB he'll be this season. I'm explaining that if you want to make the point that he sucks, come up with a point that makes sense. Edited September 9, 2017 by LABillzFan
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