thebandit27 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Check out YPP's twitter breakdown of the All-22...Tyrod was, well, Tyrod. Did some good things, but also left quite a few throws on the field: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 How many qb run TD's over the past 2 years he's 19th in total TDs per game and 16th in total TD %
section122 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Thank you. Comparing Cam Newton to Tyrod Taylor is Bush League. Not paying attention to what is currently happening is also bush league. I'll step up to the box and compare the 2. Cam Newton since 2015 (yes this includes the 15-1 season): 234.9 yards passing per game, 266 combined yards per game (rush and pass), 56.3 completion %, 7.16 ypa, 2.2 combined tds per game (rush and pass), 25 ints, 6 fumbles lost Tyrod since 2015: 209 yards passing per game, 248.9 combined yards per game (rush and pass), 62.4 completion %, 7.64 ypa, 1.7 combined tds per game (rush and pass), 13 ints, 7 fumbles lost So including an MVP season for Cam he edges out Tyrod in volume stats but not efficiency stats. Tyrod has a higher ypa, completion %, and less ints. That should show you how bad Cam was last year. Somehow Cam is elite completing 56.3% of his passes? Somehow he is elite because he contributes 17.1 more yards per game? Remember this includes an MVP season. Here is more interesting info on Cam: He has completed more than 60% of his passes only 2 seasons out of 6, 60% his rookie year and 61.7% in year 3. 4 other years he failed to reach that number He has thrown for more than 25 td passes only once in his career when he had 35 in 2015. He has never thrown less than 10 ints in a year He has only had a qb rating over 89 once in his career. Cam had a fantastic Rookie year and 2015 and 2015 appears to be an outlier to his actual performance which if you recall was a year where the Panthers played the easiest schedule in the NFL. Other than that he has been very pedestrian.
John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 over the past 2 years he's 19th in total TDs per game and 16th in total TD % So about middle of the pack NFL starting qb...which is about what he is
section122 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Check out YPP's twitter breakdown of the All-22...Tyrod was, well, Tyrod. Did some good things, but also left quite a few throws on the field: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/907602786086539264 This play was my favorite of the day. So about middle of the pack NFL starting qb...which is about what he is There you go again you COTer sheesh settle down.
bobobonators Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Not paying attention to what is currently happening is also bush league. I'll step up to the box and compare the 2. Cam Newton since 2015 (yes this includes the 15-1 season): 234.9 yards passing per game, 266 combined yards per game (rush and pass), 56.3 completion %, 7.16 ypa, 2.2 combined tds per game (rush and pass), 25 ints, 6 fumbles lost Tyrod since 2015: 209 yards passing per game, 248.9 combined yards per game (rush and pass), 62.4 completion %, 7.64 ypa, 1.7 combined tds per game (rush and pass), 13 ints, 7 fumbles lost So including an MVP season for Cam he edges out Tyrod in volume stats but not efficiency stats. Tyrod has a higher ypa, completion %, and less ints. That should show you how bad Cam was last year. Somehow Cam is elite completing 56.3% of his passes? Somehow he is elite because he contributes 17.1 more yards per game? Remember this includes an MVP season. Here is more interesting info on Cam: He has completed more than 60% of his passes only 2 seasons out of 6, 60% his rookie year and 61.7% in year 3. 4 other years he failed to reach that number He has thrown for more than 25 td passes only once in his career when he had 35 in 2015. He has never thrown less than 10 ints in a year He has only had a qb rating over 89 once in his career. Cam had a fantastic Rookie year and 2015 and 2015 appears to be an outlier to his actual performance which if you recall was a year where the Panthers played the easiest schedule in the NFL. Other than that he has been very pedestrian. But Cam is elite. And Tyrod is a questionable backup.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Not paying attention to what is currently happening is also bush league. I'll step up to the box and compare the 2. Cam Newton since 2015 (yes this includes the 15-1 season): 234.9 yards passing per game, 266 combined yards per game (rush and pass), 56.3 completion %, 7.16 ypa, 2.2 combined tds per game (rush and pass), 25 ints, 6 fumbles lost Tyrod since 2015: 209 yards passing per game, 248.9 combined yards per game (rush and pass), 62.4 completion %, 7.64 ypa, 1.7 combined tds per game (rush and pass), 13 ints, 7 fumbles lost So including an MVP season for Cam he edges out Tyrod in volume stats but not efficiency stats. Tyrod has a higher ypa, completion %, and less ints. That should show you how bad Cam was last year. Somehow Cam is elite completing 56.3% of his passes? Somehow he is elite because he contributes 17.1 more yards per game? Remember this includes an MVP season. Here is more interesting info on Cam: He has completed more than 60% of his passes only 2 seasons out of 6, 60% his rookie year and 61.7% in year 3. 4 other years he failed to reach that number He has thrown for more than 25 td passes only once in his career when he had 35 in 2015. He has never thrown less than 10 ints in a year He has only had a qb rating over 89 once in his career. Cam had a fantastic Rookie year and 2015 and 2015 appears to be an outlier to his actual performance which if you recall was a year where the Panthers played the easiest schedule in the NFL. Other than that he has been very pedestrian.
grb Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Check out YPP's twitter breakdown of the All-22...Tyrod was, well, Tyrod. Did some good things, but also left quite a few throws on the field: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Is Taylor really the only quarterback to leave "throws on the field"? I don't claim to know, but would guess it's a phenomena like human vanity or folly : You find it wherever you trouble to look.......
bobobonators Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 15th in the NFL? Sounds about right. Tyrod has the 2nd highest TD/turnover ratio in the NFL, behind Brady. Is Taylor really the only quarterback to leave "throws on the field"? I don't claim to know, but would guess it's a phenomena like human vanity or folly : You find it wherever you trouble to look....... I thought that too. left "throws on the field"; what is the point of comparison for that? How many throws were left on the field on average across the NFL? I can look at Brees' game from yesterday and easily find a handful of throws that were left on the field.
thebandit27 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Is Taylor really the only quarterback to leave "throws on the field"? I don't claim to know, but would guess it's a phenomena like human vanity or folly : You find it wherever you trouble to look....... I thought that too. left "throws on the field"; what is the point of comparison for that? How many throws were left on the field on average across the NFL? I can look at Brees' game from yesterday and easily find a handful of throws that were left on the field. Don't attribute an agenda where there isn't one. When I say that he left throws on the field, I refer only to those that I could reasonably expect a higher tier of passer to make. You folks will find that I always call 'em like I see 'em. I don't think Tyrod should be replaced by anyone on this roster, and I also don't think that the team can responsibly go into next season without drafting a QB in the 1st round in 2018.
bobobonators Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Don't attribute an agenda where there isn't one. When I say that he left throws on the field, I refer only to those that I could reasonably expect a higher tier of passer to make. You folks will find that I always call 'em like I see 'em. I don't think Tyrod should be replaced by anyone on this roster, and I also don't think that the team can responsibly go into next season without drafting a QB in the 1st round in 2018. I don't disagree with throws left on the field. I'm not saying that he didn't leave throws on the field. But the metric is useless without a baseline unless the baseline is that no throws should be left on the field. That's all i'm saying.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 I decided that Taylor was a backup after watching him for two complete seasons. So far, my mind remains unchanged. The only thing he did better yesterday was make better decisions after he couldn't decide who to throw the ball to quickly enough. That's what good backups do. That's nice, Dear. But what actually determines whether a guy is a backup QB in the NFL or not, is whether there are 32 guys who are objectively better than he is. Not what you decide after watching, or whether whatever you keep between your ears is actually responsive to input and data and capable of change. If Tyrod is a backup, who are the 32 QB in the NFL who are better than he is? You really DO need to be able to answer that, or it's just tots clear that your decision is along the lines of "Vera Bradley is last decade" and "Ivanka's heel pumps are the best" eg, fashion-driven and arbitrary, not based on actual football knowledge and acumen.
grb Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Don't attribute an agenda where there isn't one. Honestly : Wasn't my point at all. I just wonder whether someone like Taylor gets a reputation for leaving plays on the field, so people naturally see those plays when they might not looking at other players. And I assume it has to be a common thing. NFL "time to throw" ranges from about 2.5 to 3.25 seconds, with Taylor a notable sluggard last year. A lot of seeing and deciding has to fit into those fleeting seconds.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 15th in the NFL? Sounds about right. Tyrod has the 2nd highest TD/turnover ratio in the NFL, behind Brady. haha yeah I forgot to re-sort. He's ranked 15th over the past 2 years imo.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Are you going to be extra mad when Tyrod has two huge stinkers in the next two games? You do get it that Tyrod could have huge stinkers in the next three games, and it wouldn't change a thing he said? Even elite QB have stinkers. Sometimes 2 in a row. All the man is saying is, Tyrod may not be Magical Franchise Guy for the Bills but he's certainly done enough to prove he's a capable NFL starter. All this "he's a backup" "he sucks" blabla has gotten beyond silly. It's NYC Fashion Talk, man. Givinchy is passe'. What flavor of Kombucha has the most antioxidants?
thebandit27 Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Honestly : Wasn't my point at all. I just wonder whether someone like Taylor gets a reputation for leaving plays on the field, so people naturally see those plays when they might not looking at other players. And I assume it has to be a common thing. NFL "time to throw" ranges from about 2.5 to 3.25 seconds, with Taylor a notable sluggard last year. A lot of seeing and deciding has to fit into those fleeting seconds. My statement was more meant as a cautionary note than a defense. My main beef with Tyrod's play has been that he bails from clean pockets too soon and too often fails to see the open man. My comment about leaving plays on the field is more symptomatic of these two traits, and like I said, we saw it again on Sunday (along with the things that he routinely does well, like extending plays with his legs and being willing to take the easy checkdown yardage on early downs).
GG Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 My statement was more meant as a cautionary note than a defense. My main beef with Tyrod's play has been that he bails from clean pockets too soon and too often fails to see the open man. My comment about leaving plays on the field is more symptomatic of these two traits, and like I said, we saw it again on Sunday (along with the things that he routinely does well, like extending plays with his legs and being willing to take the easy checkdown yardage on early downs). It was evident in person and on All-22.
r00tabaga Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 JMC & Crusher must be at work or away from their phones. :gets:popcorn:ready:
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Don't attribute an agenda where there isn't one. When I say that he left throws on the field, I refer only to those that I could reasonably expect a higher tier of passer to make. You folks will find that I always call 'em like I see 'em. I don't think Tyrod should be replaced by anyone on this roster, and I also don't think that the team can responsibly go into next season without drafting a QB in the 1st round in 2018. *nods*. I think what folks are asking, Bandit, is what's the comparator passer? Are we talking plays Drew Brees wouldn't leave on the field? Sam Bradford? Andy Dalton? Cam Newton? Mariota? Glennon? Hoyer? The point being if the argument is "he's just a backup", it's reasonable to ask, not just whether the top tier guys would leave those throws, but whether the bottom tier would leave them. I agree, even if Taylor plays better than last season, the Bills need to go into next season having drafted the guy they believe is the best QB in the draft (I have no opinion about 1st vs 2nd or 3rd round). I don't think there's too much debate at this point that Taylor isn't a top-tier Brees/Rivers/Rodgers/Brady type passer and is not likely to become one. My statement was more meant as a cautionary note than a defense. My main beef with Tyrod's play has been that he bails from clean pockets too soon and too often fails to see the open man. My comment about leaving plays on the field is more symptomatic of these two traits, and like I said, we saw it again on Sunday (along with the things that he routinely does well, like extending plays with his legs and being willing to take the easy checkdown yardage on early downs). This is true, but I also did see a couple plays on Sunday where he did step up into the pocket and make a contested throw instead of bailing out wide/taking off. So there is some progress. I would have really liked to see the Bills make a serious push to improve the OL, esp. the right side. I think it would help Taylor a lot if he were able to have more faith he'd have a pocket to step up into.
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