26CornerBlitz Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 @Cianaf NE tried to disguise their four-man rush with CB coming off opposite side of field. Safeties rotated, Gilmore blew his coverage. Awful D. @BrianJesterFF Replying to @Cianaf Apparently McCourty said after the game that it was his fault. Some sort of Cover 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Again, one play. i saw no others. He does a lot of things well, his only bad parts are mediocre-poor tackling, and occasional mental mistakes. He plays well physically in a bump, or off the line. Keeps his hips low. Has good recovery speed. Good ball skills. Can play zone over, man under. He sometimes will get penalties because he likes to play physically with the receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) How could it be mccourty's fault solely? Looking at that video above, there was no one else even remotely close to gilmore's zone, which meant he should have stayed with the guy who is actually in it. Edited September 8, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Yes over the top is the safety's responsibility, but in a cover 2 Shdnt the CB at least jam the receiver at the line instead of playing several feet away? That said, you need speedy DBs in a cover 2 but nobody on the Pats was gonna keep up with Hill. So while you can't blame the CB fully - you also cannot absolve him completely. Gilmore is a bit susceptible with these defense schemes. I remember Fitz and the Jets!! Torching Rex's scheme with Gilmore and Darby last year. Exactly. Gilmore right away starts chasing after Hill, he obviously had that responsibility as well. He blew the coverage and McCourty did too. It was both their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) @Cianaf NE tried to disguise their four-man rush with CB coming off opposite side of field. Safeties rotated, Gilmore blew his coverage. Awful D. @BrianJesterFF Replying to @Cianaf Apparently McCourty said after the game that it was his fault. Some sort of Cover 2 Very strange cover 2... looks like a broken mess. Neither player was covering anyone. Edited September 8, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Looking at that video again, it looks like Gilmore simply may have guessed wrong -- thinking that the receiver was cutting toward the sideline under the assumption that smith would never throw it deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Looking at that video again, it looks like Gilmore simply may have guessed wrong -- thinking that the receiver was cutting toward the sideline under the assumption that smith would never throw it deep. Well it was definitely cover 2, butler pulls up around the same spot. He also has a player in front of him though. Gilmore seemed to be looking for someone and then it was too late. The funny thing is... that play beats cover 2 even if McCourty is where he's supposed to be. Smith might have to put a bit more air under it, or hit the outside shoulder, but it really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 We'd also have certain posters that can't read a coverage making false statements and getting upset when others point out reality. Spoiler: I'm talking about you. If you're going to sling barbs, be a man and name names. I call the guy out when he plays poorly, and if you bothered to read (and you don't), you'd know that. Set aside your agenda and view the game objectively. And PS, it was Devon McCourty that said it was his responsibility, not me, but carry on Agreed and agreed. I loved seeing the listlessness from the team and fans in the 4th quarter Right on cue! Making false statements? I'm just pointing out exactly what I see watching the game, while you make every excuse in the world for the guy. I also don't live on TBD like you do, I come here to post from time to time. This is just entertainment for me while this is your life, so don't expect me to go back and read every little thing you ever wrote. I have no personal biases against Gilmore. After one game, Gilmore looks the same as he did in Buffalo, inconsistent. He'll make some great plays and he'll get burned as well. The lack of hustle chasing down Hill I'm sure will not sit well with Belichek. I'm sure either Gilmore will get better and play more disciplined under Belichek as time progresses or Belichek will get rid of him (trade/cut). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Either way it's deuces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Right on cue! Making false statements? I'm just pointing out exactly what I see watching the game, while you make every excuse in the world for the guy. I also don't live on TBD like you do, I come here to post from time to time. This is just entertainment for me while this is your life, so don't expect me to go back and read every little thing you ever wrote. I have no personal biases against Gilmore. After one game, Gilmore looks the same as he did in Buffalo, inconsistent. He'll make some great plays and he'll get burned as well. The lack of hustle chasing down Hill I'm sure will not sit well with Belichek. I'm sure either Gilmore will get better and play more disciplined under Belichek as time progresses or Belichek will get rid of him (trade/cut). The hustle thing is obvious on the gif too... he goes from like 5-10-20 yards away very quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 on this play it looks like gilmore had underneath responsibility in the cover 2 zone coverage. he hesistated to check, expecting mccourty over the top. mostly mccourty fault still say Gilmore is very good....just not elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Right on cue! Making false statements? I'm just pointing out exactly what I see watching the game, while you make every excuse in the world for the guy. I also don't live on TBD like you do, I come here to post from time to time. This is just entertainment for me while this is your life, so don't expect me to go back and read every little thing you ever wrote. I have no personal biases against Gilmore. After one game, Gilmore looks the same as he did in Buffalo, inconsistent. He'll make some great plays and he'll get burned as well. The lack of hustle chasing down Hill I'm sure will not sit well with Belichek. I'm sure either Gilmore will get better and play more disciplined under Belichek as time progresses or Belichek will get rid of him (trade/cut). Shocking that I'd respond to a personal attack! You're ALWAYS wrong about this player. Literally every time. You readily ignore the fact that I blast your misstatements when they're false, and only because they're false. I couldn't care less about Gilmore; what I respond to is when folks demonstrate that they don't know what's happening on the field. I thought it was Gilmore's guy at first as well, and enjoyed quite the hearty laugh in real time. When I watched the replay, seein McCourty close the gate on Hill and fail to recover, I revised my opinion. It's called watching without an agenda. You, as always, end up resorting to a personal attack when you don't have anything else of substance to contribute. Live on this site? That's cute considering you're here dropping my name unprompted as though you have an intimate knowledge of my post history. Just a tip Jer: if you're going to act like you know my MO, maybe don't try to fall back on the "I'm too busy to read your posts" nonsense. Also, is it possible that some of us work different hours than you? Nah, must be that this is my life. In the future, if you want to pick an argument with me, try a PM, or at least be man enough to mention me by name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Watch the play again without the hate. Cover two Zone. McCourty job. It's not hate. I didn't hate Gilmore. I understand Zone concepts fully. I just know that when I played, I would react off of instinct to such plays. It's a split second decision and it's purely instinct. You can tell if your guy is coming over the top to help you or not fairly quick. Drop your underneath zone to try and run with the guy who's about to burn your defense for a TD. With Hill being as fast as he is though, it's almost impossible to keep up with him. At least try to give Smith something to think about when he's going to release that ball deep versus letting him run a practice play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Gilmore might have had his best game I can remember last night. But I fell asleep for the 4th qtr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Satan isn't infallible. He makes mistakes. He made a huge investment in Gilmore. Inarguably the best coach in football thought Gilmore was great. You can't even question that by the contract Satan offered. Will be interesting to see what happens. But does Gilmore fall into the good bucket for BB* or into the clunker? He definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt, but when you look at him dumping Jones, Collins, Ryan - for Ealy, Gilmore, etc it's a very bad trade off on paper and yesterday's game proved it. Once Hightower went down, that defense collapsed. Don't tell me Satan isn't having second thoughts about Gilmore - not from the long balls, but from his piss poor effort to stop Hunt's 78 Yd TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Guys, it's time to let the Gilmore thing go. Kind of sad we are still doing this, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Funny but MCourty admitted it was his blown coverage on the play. Playing cover2 he had the deep half. A seasoned Pats vet, wow that doesnt happen often, too bad, I rather enjoy the narrative that Gilmore screwed up so I am going to run with it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Shocking that I'd respond to a personal attack! You're ALWAYS wrong about this player. Literally every time. You readily ignore the fact that I blast your misstatements when they're false, and only because they're false. I couldn't care less about Gilmore; what I respond to is when folks demonstrate that they don't know what's happening on the field. I thought it was Gilmore's guy at first as well, and enjoyed quite the hearty laugh in real time. When I watched the replay, seein McCourty close the gate on Hill and fail to recover, I revised my opinion. It's called watching without an agenda. You, as always, end up resorting to a personal attack when you don't have anything else of substance to contribute. Live on this site? That's cute considering you're here dropping my name unprompted as though you have an intimate knowledge of my post history. Just a tip Jer: if you're going to act like you know my MO, maybe don't try to fall back on the "I'm too busy to read your posts" nonsense. Also, is it possible that some of us work different hours than you? Nah, must be that this is my life. In the future, if you want to pick an argument with me, try a PM, or at least be man enough to mention me by name. I didn't even mentioned your name and you responded, so you're the one who got your panties in a wad whenever someone says anything negative about Gilmore. Also, cut the internet tough guy act, it's embarrassing! It's funny, you say I'm always wrong about Gilmore, but yet I have the same opinions as majority of fans do about him. Guess we're all wrong about him and you're right?! You need to tell the entire Bills Mafia why they're all wrong! http://us.blastingnews.com/sports/2017/09/bills-mafia-destroys-stephon-gilmore-on-twitter-after-blown-coverage-001992243.html Nicholas Mendola ✔@NicholasMendola Oh I get to do the thing... THE WORLD: Alex Smith can't go deep STEPHON GILMORE: Hold my beer#OnTVnowDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Shocking that I'd respond to a personal attack! You're ALWAYS wrong about this player. Literally every time. You readily ignore the fact that I blast your misstatements when they're false, and only because they're false. I couldn't care less about Gilmore; what I respond to is when folks demonstrate that they don't know what's happening on the field. I thought it was Gilmore's guy at first as well, and enjoyed quite the hearty laugh in real time. When I watched the replay, seein McCourty close the gate on Hill and fail to recover, I revised my opinion. It's called watching without an agenda. You, as always, end up resorting to a personal attack when you don't have anything else of substance to contribute. Live on this site? That's cute considering you're here dropping my name unprompted as though you have an intimate knowledge of my post history. Just a tip Jer: if you're going to act like you know my MO, maybe don't try to fall back on the "I'm too busy to read your posts" nonsense. Also, is it possible that some of us work different hours than you? Nah, must be that this is my life. In the future, if you want to pick an argument with me, try a PM, or at least be man enough to mention me by name. Bandito taking off the gloves! Don't let him off the mat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 But does Gilmore fall into the good bucket for BB* or into the clunker? He definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt, but when you look at him dumping Jones, Collins, Ryan - for Ealy, Gilmore, etc it's a very bad trade off on paper and yesterday's game proved it. Once Hightower went down, that defense collapsed. Don't tell me Satan isn't having second thoughts about Gilmore - not from the long balls, but from his piss poor effort to stop Hunt's 78 Yd TD. One game dude - one game. Let's slow our roll until October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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